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Breaking - Jury will not get to see Trayvon fighting texts
legalinsurrection.com ^ | 7-10-2013 | Andrew Branca

Posted on 07/10/2013 7:48:33 AM PDT by servo1969

Also, Animated Video Not Evidence

The Judge in the Zimmerman trial just ruled that the jury will not get to see numerous text messages on Trayvon Martin’s phone regarding his prowess at fighting, including texts as to how to punch someone in the nose and make them bleed.

The Judge did not give an explanation for her ruling other than to stand by her prior ruling as to social media evidence.

It is not clear if the Judge found a lack of authentication, which was one of the arguments last night. The Judge did indicate she reviewed the Lumarque case in which a trial court was reversed for failing to allow text messages.

The Judge also ruled that an animated video prepared by the defense (consisting of still animation pages, not motion) will not be allowed in evidence, but could be used as a demonstrative exhibit by the defense. That means that the animation images are merely part of the defense argument, probably in closing, not evidence the jury takes back into the jury room.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; martin; text; trayvon; zimmerman
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1 posted on 07/10/2013 7:48:33 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

Travesty of justice in this case. All the way around.


2 posted on 07/10/2013 7:49:31 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: servo1969

If Zimmerman is unlikely convicted, this is immediate grounds for a mistrial. This judge is completely wacko and does not rule on the law.


3 posted on 07/10/2013 7:52:29 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: servo1969
The Judge in the Zimmerman trial just ruled that the jury will not get to see numerous text messages on Trayvon Martin’s phone regarding his prowess at fighting, including texts as to how to punch someone in the nose and make them bleed.

Is the judge a democrat?

4 posted on 07/10/2013 7:53:07 AM PDT by GOPJ (In the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is a dangerous extremist.. Greenfield)
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To: Servant of the Cross
"If Zimmerman is unlikely convicted, this is immediate grounds for a mistrial."

I think you mean grounds for reversal on appeal.

5 posted on 07/10/2013 7:54:41 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: servo1969
When a woman shoots an unarmed boyfriend or husband, and her attorney is making a self-defense argument, pretty much every thing the decedent wrote or said is admitted as potentially exculpatory evidence.
6 posted on 07/10/2013 7:55:03 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: autumnraine

A judge and several people in the DA’s office need to do hard time for this kangaroo court debauchery, whether the jury acquits or not.


7 posted on 07/10/2013 7:56:18 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: servo1969

This judge is a real piece of work. Reminds me of the FL kangaroo supreme court re: Bush v Gore back in 2000


8 posted on 07/10/2013 7:56:51 AM PDT by Marathoner (Sarah Palin is our Esther, for such a time as this)
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To: autumnraine

Especially considering they needed password(s) to access them.


9 posted on 07/10/2013 7:56:59 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Lots of grounds for an appeal too...this judge is a lot like the showboating Judge John T. Raulston during the Scopes trial of 1925, who made danged sure that the accused was duly convicted to satisfy the masses.


10 posted on 07/10/2013 7:57:37 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: servo1969

The same people who leaned on John Roberts just got through to this judge.


11 posted on 07/10/2013 7:58:23 AM PDT by BlueStateRightist
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To: servo1969

Judgette Ito


12 posted on 07/10/2013 7:58:58 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: Servant of the Cross
If Zimmerman is unlikely convicted, this is immediate grounds for a mistrial. This judge is completely wacko and does not rule on the law.

Almost certainly, she's getting her marching orders from above, probably all the way from the WH, backed up by threats and intimidation. That's probably why she left so abruptly last night. Had to confer with Holder about what she was and wasn't allowed to do.

13 posted on 07/10/2013 8:00:03 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: servo1969

Just to fill in a gap from Branca’s remarks, the basis for Nelson’s ruling was that the evidence did not fall within a hearsay exception. She claimed that she addressed the constitutional argument in a previous ruling.


14 posted on 07/10/2013 8:00:09 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: servo1969

Why do I feel someone is pulling this judge’s string?


15 posted on 07/10/2013 8:00:12 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Remember Ty Woods, Glenn Doherty and Sean Smith? Forgot already?)
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To: autumnraine

“Travesty of justice in this case. All the way around.”

Nothing like having the judge with her foot on the scales of justice is there! For his unholy involvement in this case, I hope that the voters of Florida send Gov. Scott down the road at the first opportunity.


16 posted on 07/10/2013 8:00:36 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: circlecity

Yes, I stand corrected since Nelson won’t declare a mistrial on herself (although she should).


17 posted on 07/10/2013 8:00:56 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

As with most other leftists,
they don’t need anyone pulling their strings,
because they all have the same goals
and, more importantly, the same underlying worldview assumptions.


18 posted on 07/10/2013 8:01:29 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: servo1969
I just watched the VIDEO of the proper that was held last night with the gentleman who recovered these texts regarding a gun and St. Trayvon fighting with someone who "snitched" on him.
19 posted on 07/10/2013 8:02:00 AM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: servo1969

The judge is eric holder’s puppet.


20 posted on 07/10/2013 8:02:53 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: GOPJ

The “Judge” just wants a conviction no matter what.

She KNOWS she is committing plain error which will get conviction reversed.

Hope the Jury is not as similarly corrupted.

Everything in this case is upside down.

Remember the initial Judge forced perjury charges to be filed against George and his wife because they failed to reveal the defense fund coming in when they had a bond hearing. That is still hanging over their heads.

It is a total Kafkaesque nightmare for this family (just because he carried a gun and was forced to use it)


21 posted on 07/10/2013 8:06:01 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: servo1969

ORDERS FROM SAINT TRAYVON'S "DAD"


22 posted on 07/10/2013 8:06:21 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: servo1969

Absolutely pathetic. They go to the heart of who he was. The only upside is that this makes a great reason to overturn the case on appeal should things not go Zimmerman’s way.

Why would anyone be opposed to openness, especially when a man’s life is on the line?


23 posted on 07/10/2013 8:06:28 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: servo1969

Did you think that they would?


24 posted on 07/10/2013 8:07:19 AM PDT by sport
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To: Servant of the Cross

This idiot judge may be Zimm’s best friend. IF (big if) George is convicted, she is guaranteeing him all sorts of grounds for reversal.


25 posted on 07/10/2013 8:07:59 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Did you see that thread from Conservative Treehouse? One of the major reasons the judge and the State want the phone records kept hidden is that they prove St. Skittles and “Fruit” (Tracy) were dealing in illegal guns together.

Nice family, huh?


26 posted on 07/10/2013 8:12:30 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Bringbackthedraft
If the judge had walked out while a prosecutor was speaking, every liberal in this country would have been up in arms. Clearly, the judge holds Mr. West in low regard and had no hesitancy conveying that message of disrespect to the jury.

If Ebonics is your language of choice, the judge DISRESPECTED that creepy-a** white cracker lawyer.

27 posted on 07/10/2013 8:13:21 AM PDT by July4
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To: GOPJ
Is the judge a democrat?

Well, she's a moron so.....probably!

28 posted on 07/10/2013 8:13:25 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

She’s a coward.


29 posted on 07/10/2013 8:16:13 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: wideawake
When a woman shoots an unarmed boyfriend or husband, and her attorney is making a self-defense argument, pretty much every thing the decedent wrote or said is admitted as potentially exculpatory evidence.

There's a difference between that kind of case (where there was a long history between the combatants) and this one (where there was not). That's not to say that these texts shouldn't come in (they should), but it's a different kind of case.

30 posted on 07/10/2013 8:21:37 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: servo1969

"Judge Debra Nelson said she will allow defense lawyers to show jurors the computer animation during closing arguments. But she rejected the defense bid to present the animation as actual evidence, which means the animation can't be reviewed by jurors during their deliberations. "

31 posted on 07/10/2013 8:22:03 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Marathoner

The judge is on the side of the prosecution.

About Judge Debra Nelson

Source: 18th Judicial Circuit Courts

....Employment History:

January 1980 – July 1983
Broward County State Attorney’s Office, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Chief Prosecutor Misdemeanor, Hollywood Court, Felony Prosecutor.

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/8/30/zimmerman_judge_debr.html


32 posted on 07/10/2013 8:26:08 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: servo1969
St Skiddles is not the one on trial, even though his entire family, and skank ho, got a chance to take a poke at George.

Amazing how this "judge" allowed hearsay from all trademarks friends, but wont allow trademark himself to be presented!

33 posted on 07/10/2013 8:28:10 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: servo1969

I like that they can use the demo animation in the closing argument, that is probably even better (no cross examination by the idiot prosecutors?)

But the texts should absolutely have been let in- they show the budding young THUG Traycon was, not the saint skittles they portray


34 posted on 07/10/2013 8:28:30 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: KeyLargo

That is not a real woman - that is John Goodman in drag!!!!!


35 posted on 07/10/2013 8:29:29 AM PDT by commish (The takers rule. Time to implement the triple G plan - GOD, GUNS, & GOLD)
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To: servo1969

Bad call. I don’t know Florida rules of evidence, but in many states this sort of evidence is admissible in self-defense cases to show the dead guy was the initial aggressor.

Judge Friesler strikes again.


36 posted on 07/10/2013 8:29:51 AM PDT by henkster (The 0bama regime isn't a train wreck, it's a B 17 raid on the rail yard.)
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To: rockabyebaby

“The judge is eric holder’s puppet.”

I would expect her appointment by Obama to an important Federal Judgeship sometime soon after her overseeing of the Kangaroo Kourt after Zimmerman is convicted and sentenced to state prison.


37 posted on 07/10/2013 8:30:32 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Thane_Banquo

I agree. She couldn’t call him too late - she sure vacated her seat quickly.


38 posted on 07/10/2013 8:31:47 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Responsibility2nd
This idiot judge may be Zimm’s best friend. IF (big if) George is convicted, she is guaranteeing him all sorts of grounds for reversal.

She has been told not to worry about it. This judge is corrupt to the core and does exactly what she is told.
I'd love to see the NSA records of who she was on the phone with last night.

39 posted on 07/10/2013 8:36:01 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: commish
That is not a real woman - that is John Goodman in drag!!!!!

HA! I was thinking exactly the same thing!

40 posted on 07/10/2013 8:36:33 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: servo1969

Suppression of evidence by the judge.............


41 posted on 07/10/2013 8:37:49 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: KeyLargo

That pic of Judge Nelson must have been 20 years and 75 pounds ago.


42 posted on 07/10/2013 8:38:06 AM PDT by July4
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To: Responsibility2nd

What? If she was interested in justice, this trial would be over and verdict ‘not guilty’. And then she still wouldn’t be his best friend but simply a judge doing it’s job.


43 posted on 07/10/2013 8:40:03 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: commish
That is not a real woman - that is John Goodman in

"drag!!!!!"

At first I thought she looked like Gene Hackman. But he looked better. Or maybe John Travolta, or Robin Williams?

44 posted on 07/10/2013 8:41:27 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: servo1969

Fear.of.riots


45 posted on 07/10/2013 8:54:49 AM PDT by AbolishCSEU (Percentage of Income in CS is inversely proportionate to Mother's parenting of children)
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To: servo1969

Yes, the jury will get to see it, because she ruled that the defense could use it in closing arguments.


46 posted on 07/10/2013 9:03:06 AM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: servo1969
I have read Trayvon’s text messages. He was always looking for a fight. When this trial is over and the jury members are able to read the texts that the judge would not allow, they will really be mad that this evidence was withheld from them.
Obama says if he had a son he would look like Trayvon. If he had a son he would probably act like Trayvon too. Both are thugs.
If there are riots after the trial, you can bet 90% of the rioters could care less about the trial. It will only be an excuse to rob a liquor store or steal TV sets.
47 posted on 07/10/2013 9:03:19 AM PDT by Cindy of Nashville (What has the Democrat party become???)
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To: servo1969

Too bad, the jury needs to realize that Trayvon died doing what he enjoyed doing.


48 posted on 07/10/2013 9:59:42 AM PDT by pallis
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To: servo1969

At this point, they are probably happy about this. They are likely getting off anyway, but if they don’t, this seems a pretty clear shot at getting a retrial.


49 posted on 07/10/2013 10:08:56 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: GOPJ
Is the judge a democrat?

We post, you decide....


50 posted on 07/10/2013 10:53:49 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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