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Paul Ryan working behind the scenes to push comprehensive immigration legislation (backstabber)
wapo ^ | July 10 | Paul Kane and Ed O’Keefe

Posted on 07/11/2013 6:46:45 AM PDT by amnestynone

Two weeks after the end of his failed vice-presidential bid, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) was already thinking ahead to another big fight: immigration reform. And he was thinking about it in a bipartisan way. Ryan ran into his old friend, Rep. Luis V. Gutierrez (D-Ill.), and urged him to restart his effort to get a comprehensive immigration package through Congress. Ryan’s arguments stemmed from a religious and economic foundation, not from the huge political liability the issue had become for the Republican Party during the 2012 presidential campaign.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: 113th; aliens; amnesty; backstabber; illegals; paulryan; ryan
What on earth are these peole thinking? Where are thier minds at? Rubio,Jeb and Ryan please forget about '16.
1 posted on 07/11/2013 6:46:45 AM PDT by amnestynone
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To: amnestynone
Ryan ran into his old friend, Rep. Luis V. Gutierrez (D-Ill.)

The core of the problem right there... THEY CAN NOT BE TRUSTED!!!

2 posted on 07/11/2013 6:51:21 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: ScottinVA

Ah, the Congressional Good Ol’ Boy Club screws us once again.


3 posted on 07/11/2013 6:52:57 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: amnestynone

It’s too bad Ryan didn’t put this much effort in winning the election.


4 posted on 07/11/2013 6:54:43 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If America is a nation of immigrants, where's my free stuff?)
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To: amnestynone

Well duh. Paul Ryan was attending immigration rallies with crook Luis Gutierrez, that was all I needed to know that Ryan is a self-interested corrupt turd.


5 posted on 07/11/2013 6:55:43 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: amnestynone

I can understand the desire for comprehensive immigration reform. Our current system is disfunctional and we have no mechanism to control illegal immigration.

The problem is that it is impossible for Congress to come up with a comprehensive plan that addresses the illegal immigration problem. Any plan that can be passed will include all of the amnesty and citizenship goodies, but the hard work of controlling the border and employment will be left undone. This will always be the case until a large enough group of Constitutional conservatives can be elected to pass border enforcement and employment control first.

The way the Congress is stacked now, the only winning move on immigration reform is not to play.


6 posted on 07/11/2013 7:01:35 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gun Control Haiku: Say "Registration" / And they call you paranoid / So say "Privacy")
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To: amnestynone; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Tennessee Nana; Liz; TADSLOS; ...
RE :’Ryan ran into his old friend, Rep. Luis V. Gutierrez (D-Ill.), and urged him to restart his effort to get a comprehensive immigration package through Congress. Ryan’s arguments stemmed from a religious and economic foundation, not from the huge political liability the issue had become for the Republican Party during the 2012 presidential campaign. “You’re a Catholic; I’m a Catholic; we cannot have a permanent underclass of Americans exploited in America,” Ryan told Gutierrez, according to the Democrat’s recollection of the November discussion.
Given those sentiments, and the drubbing the GOP ticket took among Latino voters, supporters of an immigration overhaul expected Ryan to emerge as the House’s most prominent public voice on the issue”

As I been warning this for a while, talk radios been propping Ryan up as a respectable conservative hero starting as early as 2010 . They helped create this monster.
Notice his joke budget resolutions never got near being law and his record on sequester is pathetic.

1) He must be planning a 2016 run, the only explaination
2) He must be having difficulty playing the House's version of Rubio selling these ideas in House.

I like him citing being a Catholic as a reason. The Catholic Church roasted him for cutting poverty programs in his mythical budget resolutions, poverty programs that go to u-know-who.

He's going to give them the vote and cut their kids food stamps and school meals? And this is Ryan's plan for winning 2016??

7 posted on 07/11/2013 7:03:06 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: amnestynone

Mr. Ryan, you sir are a real piece of crap.


8 posted on 07/11/2013 7:05:07 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: amnestynone

Unbelievable....these people in the DC fog actually think constitutional conservatives will ever vote for these traitors, however bad the “worst of two evils” is?


9 posted on 07/11/2013 7:06:08 AM PDT by grania
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To: Haiku Guy
our current system is dysfunctional....

No, it isn't. Enforcement of the current system is disfunctional. Make EVerify the law of the land, fine and jail anyone who abets the invaders, and give rewards to US citizens who turn in invaders, alive and unharmed.

The only "pathway to citizenship" for the invaders who steal our jobs and government benefits is to practice it in their homelands!

There is no "desire for comprehensive immigration reform" among real constitutional conservatives who want to save the US!

10 posted on 07/11/2013 7:10:36 AM PDT by grania
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To: amnestynone

Given his background, I am going to presume that Ryan has bought into the argument that our demographic cratering is going to lead to a rapid crash of Baby Boomer entitlements unless fresh blood and tax payments are pumped into the system quickly.

That is what is driving this with Republicans IMO. Which they are afraid to admit cause it points the finger back at them for screwing-up the spending so badly.


11 posted on 07/11/2013 7:14:09 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: amnestynone

Quick show of hands...anyone here who carried water for that clown last year feel a little silly now? Anyone...? (Waiting for someone to list all those big, substantive differences between the sock puppets on each team)


12 posted on 07/11/2013 7:19:31 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: amnestynone; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; ...

Paul Ryan working behind the scenes on immigration

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.


13 posted on 07/11/2013 7:20:37 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Orangedog

Yes, I feel dirty. Do you feel better now? Romney/Ryan wasn’t my choice but I did believe they would be better than Obama. I still believe that.

If the Republicans pass this mess, I will not play the hold-the-nose game again. I only commit to vote for my Senator, Ted Cruz, in 2018, that will be the only vote Republicans will get from me.


14 posted on 07/11/2013 7:29:37 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Haiku Guy

Our immigration system is dysfunctional ONLY because the government won’t follow it’s own laws! Plus, even IF we need reform - we need to deal with the border first and then maybe deal with the illegals here but the ideal that we need comprehensive reform is elites ruses to not close the borders and pass amnesty


15 posted on 07/11/2013 7:33:09 AM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: amnestynone

How many times will you folks let yourselves be punked by the left.

Firstly, immigration has always been a top wedge issue
for democrats as long as I can rememb
Only it never seems to be resolved.

There’s a reason it never gets resolved. Once resolved, it can never be used in the next election cycle.

Now its primary goal is to further divide conservatives thus damaging our goals to save the nation.

Ryan’s decent and honest man. Attacking him without understanding the full scope of the battle only weakens our position.


16 posted on 07/11/2013 7:33:23 AM PDT by damncat
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To: Haiku Guy
I can understand the desire for comprehensive immigration reform. Our current system is disfunctional and we have no mechanism to control illegal immigration.

We do have a system, it is called enforcement of the existing laws.

What is really dysfunctional is our LEGAL IMMIGRATION system, which imports too many immigrants--1.2 million annually more than the rest of the world combined--with too little skills and education. Legal immigration is a much bigger problem than illegal immigration.

17 posted on 07/11/2013 7:34:30 AM PDT by kabar
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To: sickoflibs

Who are the four democrats pushing this bill?


18 posted on 07/11/2013 7:36:05 AM PDT by GOPJ (Department of Justice organized rallies against George Zimmerman.)
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To: damncat
There’s a reason it never gets resolved. Once resolved, it can never be used in the next election cycle.

Resolved how, genius?

19 posted on 07/11/2013 7:36:18 AM PDT by kabar
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To: damncat

The “full scope”? We are “led” by people, Ryan among them, who are actively conspiring to annihilate this Nation!

Adding 11 million illegals, plus the 20-30 million that will tag along by various loopholes provided in the Senate legislation is an irrevocable death sentence to America. People who advocate this, and actively plot to see that it happens have thereby shown themselves to be not only untrustworthy, but our active enemies.

“Punked by the left”? No, merely seeing things with a bit more clarity. There is a right, and a wrong side. Ryan has aligned himself with the wrong side. He has abrogated my trust. Permanently.

The Republican Party is just about dead. Of suicide.


20 posted on 07/11/2013 7:47:15 AM PDT by BrewingFrog (I brew, therefore I am!)
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To: amnestynone
When he was selected for VP, I thought he seemed fairly decent, spoke well with some common sense and would help Romney.

My neighbor shook his head in disgust and, rather than argue with me, just opened another beer.

I guess my neighbor was right about him after all.

I'm glad they lost, since it's easier to see them now. The election was a sham. They're all on the same team.

'What difference, at this point, does it make?'

21 posted on 07/11/2013 8:12:56 AM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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To: Haiku Guy

The system isn’t dysfunctional, it is not allowed to functional. It is inequitable in that it facilitates the immigration of unskilled, uneducated Third Worlders who hate America.


22 posted on 07/11/2013 8:15:01 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Irenic

I’m with you. I was never impressed with Ryan’s budget plan but I at least thought he was trying so I tried to enthusiastically vote Romney/Ryan.

Never again!!!! I have 3 candidates I would consider voting for Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and Jim DeMint. Well I’d name one other but don’t care to get flamed today. Basically if one of these 3 does not get the nomination in 2016 I’m not voting for lesser evil.


23 posted on 07/11/2013 9:01:26 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I worked very hard for Scott Walker and Paul Ryan and thought we could turn WI red instead of blue (because of Milwaukee and Madison). Now all they are doing is catering to the left to bring in more democrats.

I resent being screwed without even being kissed first. Fool me once. Never again. Ted Cruz for 2016!!!


24 posted on 07/11/2013 9:53:53 AM PDT by Wisconsinlady (AMNESTY BY ANY OTHER NAME IS STILL A PIG WITH LIPSTICK)
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To: damncat
Amnesty gives at least 10000 new democrat leaning voters. Then they are adding 3,000,000 more over the next 10 years. Then when you include chain immigration and destroying all immigration enforcement. You are basiclly turning the country over to the Democraps. This bills turns the Dem’sinto the majority party. we are not defeating outrselves by stopping it we are beating Schumer and Durbin and Obama. This is a diaster. If it does not make them a majority party in some miracle then they will just doit again and agin (which is why they are ending enforcement). And if you can’t stop this one how on earth are you giong to stop the next one. Any Republican who supports this is a backstabbing, feckless, duplitous POS.
25 posted on 07/11/2013 10:21:23 AM PDT by amnestynone
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To: kabar

You are right it will never be resolved beause they will try it again.


26 posted on 07/11/2013 10:21:32 AM PDT by amnestynone
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To: sickoflibs; amnestynone; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Tennessee Nana; Liz; ...

” He’s going to give them the vote and cut their kids food stamps and school meals? And this is Ryan’s plan for winning 2016?? “

Ryan & Rubio would LIKE to win in 2016, but it won’t matter much to them. In the long run, they will both become wealthy by having played the “judas goat”. Big business, the banks, and the Chamber of Commerce.A never-ending supply of cheap labor is coming. Justice is served......


27 posted on 07/11/2013 10:43:55 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
RE :”Ryan & Rubio would LIKE to win in 2016, but it won’t matter much to them. In the long run, they will both become wealthy by having played the “judas goat”. Big business, the banks, and the Chamber of Commerce.A never-ending supply of cheap labor is coming. Justice is served......

Hey, big biz loved Romney, look how well that worked out.

Some of them like Rubio and Ryan don't specifically mention winning Latino votes because they know the stuff they tell us they are for is toxic to that same group, and they will be laughed at for it. n So that leaves them with 'I am for amnesty because I am Christian', you can see where they are going with this

McCain and Grahmnesty cite winning Latino voters because they pitch other progressive ideas anyway.

28 posted on 07/11/2013 10:52:29 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: amnestynone

“You’re a Catholic; I’m a Catholic; we cannot have a permanent underclass of Americans exploited in America,” Ryan told Gutierrez, according to the Democrat’s recollection of the November discussion.”

Instead we’ll make the entire middle class a permanent underclass by flooding the job market with illegals.

Then we’ll permanently destroy what’s left of the country with hordes of Democrat voters.

Yeah, that’s the ticket.

Ryan is an absolute fool blinded by some irrational calling to save the world. How about saving the taxpayers.


29 posted on 07/12/2013 12:33:12 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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