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Smoke Gets in Your Smoke
Townhall.com ^ | July 11, 2013 | Debra J. Saunders

Posted on 07/11/2013 11:31:53 AM PDT by Kaslin

California's marijuana advocates need to inhale a breath of fresh air and take a long look at their judgment -- or lack thereof.

On Monday, I attended the "International Summit on Cannabis" news conference at the Sir Francis Drake Hotel in San Francisco to hear why Vicente Fox, former president of Mexico, supports legalizing marijuana as a means of curbing drug cartel corruption and violence. Also onstage were Oakland medical marijuana biggie Steve DeAngelo, a Washington state lawmaker, a budding marijuana venture capitalist, an attorney -- and Oaksterdam University Executive Chancellor Dale Sky Jones and her 2 1/2-year-old son.

What, I wondered, is a little kid doing sitting next to a world leader at a news conference about legalizing marijuana (unlike, say, an event for juvenile diabetes, early childhood education or a policy matter that really is about kids)? And the answer was: pretty much whatever he wanted, wherever he wanted.

Like any toddler asked to sit quietly for an hour while a bunch of adults do nothing but talk, he got tired of sitting still. He fidgeted, ran behind the speakers, scooted off the riser, lunged toward the stage and generally tried to amuse himself. He wasn't having a tantrum, but he was highly distracting.

I am not faulting the boy. He's still in diapers. No, I wondered: Did anyone at the pot summit realize that it's sort of disrespectful to have a kid fidgeting and running around while a former leader on the world stage is talking policy?

Everyone has seen parents who treat their children like accessories and drag them where children do not belong. But seeing a kid at a presser while the former president of Mexico discussed drug violence in his country? For me, that broke ground.

When Jones spoke, she told reporters that legalizing marijuana for medical and recreational use is "about the children." And: "This little one is a constant reminder to all of us why we're really here."

Not one participant -- not Fox, not DeAngelo, not the state pol, not the money guy -- bothered to say that legalizing marijuana would not be a boon for tots. Would-be marijuana mogul Jamen Shively stressed that he supports "adult, responsible use" of cannabis. So didn't any of these guys ask: Why was a toddler onstage?

Jones told me that she had not expected to participate in the press event, so she didn't arrange for a sitter. She also said that as a working mom, she frequently brings her son to pro-marijuana events.

"Officially, I am kind of stunned," she said. "You're the first person to make me feel ashamed for being a mom in public." Most people, she added, think it's great that she advocates legalizing marijuana as a mom with her young son at her side.

Not I, and I voted for the 2010 California ballot measure to legalize marijuana. I went to the news conference expecting to write about drug violence in Mexico, as I have done before and will do again. But I walked out wondering what these advocates, who want to convince the public that legalizing marijuana would improve civil society, were thinking. But I don't think they were thinking at all.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: California
KEYWORDS: children; marijuana; medicalmarijuana; parenting

1 posted on 07/11/2013 11:31:53 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

You can not legalize one drug and proclaim that the level of violence will be curbed. Marijuana is just one part of a many flavored illicit drug pie. Take away part of that pie and the violence can only escalate for the remainder.

Legalize it all or nothing at all.


2 posted on 07/11/2013 11:38:05 AM PDT by Cyman
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To: Kaslin

Why does smoking cigarettes cause cancer, but smoking marijuana does not?


3 posted on 07/11/2013 11:38:32 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: Cowboy Bob
Why does smoking cigarettes cause cancer, but smoking marijuana does not?

Um, I dunno... Maybe because marijuana and tobacco have different compositions?

Cannabis and tobacco smoke are not equally carcinogenic

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277837/

Regards,

4 posted on 07/11/2013 11:47:31 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Cowboy Bob
Why does smoking cigarettes cause cancer, but smoking marijuana does not?

Or, to turn it around, why is smoking cigarettes not cool, but smoking marijuana is cool?

5 posted on 07/11/2013 11:48:24 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS
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To: Cowboy Bob

I don’t get it why any one wants to smoke that stinking weed


6 posted on 07/11/2013 11:53:12 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Cyman
By your standards we should ban booze again!

Lookit what that bought us!!!!

Kennedys and Capones!

You're flunking HISTORY RIGHT NOW cause we're repeating it!

Bammys and Sinolas!

7 posted on 07/11/2013 11:53:41 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: Kaslin
>I don’t get it why any one wants to smoke that stinking weed

I agree! Tobacco is nasty!

8 posted on 07/11/2013 11:54:46 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: Kaslin

Liberal idiots. Expose your kid to all sorts of crap they shouldn’t be, and then expect them to grow up to be decent adults.


9 posted on 07/11/2013 12:15:07 PM PDT by vpintheak (We are the the God blessed chosen few! Be thankful for it!)
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To: Kaslin

same with sex perverts its all about the kids. Remember the pot festival in CO that got messy? All kinds of kids r thee re.

Many advocates pretw end otherwise but they want kids high and vulnerable


10 posted on 07/11/2013 12:19:14 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Kaslin

“bothered to say that legalizing marijuana would not be a boon for tots”

Perfect- we should limit the freedoms of adults because parents cant control their own children.

If you want to help tots keep their nicotine addicted parents form smoking tobacco around them. Let the government try that battle in their Jihad on Drugs.


11 posted on 07/11/2013 12:21:58 PM PDT by In Another Time... (..In another place...)
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To: rawcatslyentist

“By your standards we should ban booze again!

Lookit what that bought us!!!!

Kennedys and Capones!

You’re flunking HISTORY RIGHT NOW cause we’re repeating it!

Bammys and Sinolas!”

My comment was simply directed at Vicente Fox’s statement that legalizing pot would decrease violence. If you agree with Fox that legalizing pot would decrease violence from the drug cartels, I disagree with you and Fox.


12 posted on 07/11/2013 12:22:19 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: In Another Time...
Perfect- we should limit the freedoms of adults because parents cant control their own children.

It seems to be a cross between people not being able to mind their own business and thinking that if they can create Nerf World, where all of the sharp edges are rounded over, they can just free-range their kids and not have to do any hands on parenting. Kind of hard to blame them on not wanting to spend more time at home with their kids. Ever meet their kids...? They're horrible people! They whine and they pout and throw temper tantrums.

13 posted on 07/11/2013 12:32:51 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Cyman
'Those who do not know their history are doomed to repeat it' George Santayana

So you're in favor of Bammys and Sinolas?

14 posted on 07/11/2013 12:45:39 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: Cowboy Bob
Why does smoking cigarettes cause cancer, but smoking marijuana does not?

Because cannabis doesn't have tons of other chemicals added in processing. Cannabis bud pretty much comes to you right of the stalk after some drying. This is not the case with most tobacco.

15 posted on 07/11/2013 1:48:31 PM PDT by numberonepal (First they came for Sarah, then they came for Herman.....)
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To: Kaslin

Me either!

I tried it once, and despite the fact that, at the time, I was a long-time Pall Mall red (Smelly Pells) smoker and my “FRiends” claims that it was the “Good Sh!t” (Acapulco Gold?), it was the most foul tasting substance I have ever put in my mouth!

Convinced me not to ever touch it again!


16 posted on 07/11/2013 6:34:52 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Kaslin; Perdogg; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; GOPsterinMA; Clintonfatigued; NFHale

Dale Sky Jones, mother of the baby. Gentleman of the jury? She probably smells like weed and spit up.

17 posted on 07/12/2013 12:59:19 AM PDT by Impy (Bring back the spoils system.)
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To: Impy

Kinda cute, but being a doper, probably has the IQ of a turnip.


18 posted on 07/12/2013 4:15:26 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: alexander_busek; Cowboy Bob
.....These conclusions are reinforced by the recent work of Tashkin and coworkers [8] who were unable to demonstrate a cannabis smoke and lung cancer link, despite clearly demonstrating cannabis smoke-induced cellular damage.

Furthermore, compounds found in cannabis have been shown to kill numerous cancer types including: lung cancer [9], breast and prostate [10], leukemia and lymphoma [11], glioma [12], skin cancer [13], and pheochromocytoma [14]. The effects of cannabinoids are complex and sometimes contradicting, often exhibiting biphasic responses. For example, in contrast to the tumor killing properties mentioned above, low doses of THC may stimulate the growth of lung cancer cells in vitro .....

Marijuana smoke non-carcinogenic? Well, according to this study, yes ... and No. Marijuana smoke a good idea? No. And sometimes "Yes."

Marijuana was part of the pharmacopeia for centuries. (so was tobacco.)Politics aside, why not put it back and let it be available as an honest prescription.

This has nothing to do with abuse. Oxycontin is a prescription drug of great benefit, and abused every day by millions. Non-prescription marijuana, ditto.

One is a legal discussion, the other a medical discussion. Marijuana users are quite often addicts and like oxycontin addicts, are looking for a medical excuse to get high.

19 posted on 07/12/2013 4:27:08 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ("Obama" The Movie. Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica.")
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To: Kenny Bunk
Marijuana smoke non-carcinogenic?

I never claimed that! Straw Man Argument!

One is a legal discussion, the other a medical discussion.

How about conducting an ethical discussion? What business has the gov't (suddenly) sanctioning the smoking of marijuana, tobacco, or lawn clippings? Americans should be free to use or abuse all three.

Regards,

20 posted on 07/12/2013 10:05:37 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Impy; Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy

impy, you and C-fatigued are all over the country with detailed micro-knowledge.

I surrender here in Commie-Connecticut. Surrender. I kneed a knue strategerie and until den i just talk beisbol.

I picture the 2 of youse and billy boy meeting in Gary once per month for strategerie sessions. eh?

Aint driving thru Indy again in my lifetime. Enjoyed it immensely my drive from Indianapolis south to Fort Campbell in late Nov ‘84.


21 posted on 07/12/2013 8:02:49 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: campaignPete R-CT; Impy; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; randita; Sun

“I picture the 2 of youse and billy boy meeting in Gary once per month for strategerie sessions. eh?”

That could be fun, but costly (given gas prices). Perhaps we could rotate between Indy and Louisville (DJ is from Tennessee).


22 posted on 07/13/2013 1:26:39 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Muslims are a people of tolerance, life,and peace, and if you don't agree, they'll murder you)
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To: Clintonfatigued; campaignPete R-CT; Impy

Going to Gary would be like taking your life into your hands. A smaller-scale version of Detroit without the charm.


23 posted on 07/13/2013 3:15:40 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: alexander_busek
How about conducting an ethical discussion? What business has the gov't (suddenly) sanctioning the smoking of marijuana, tobacco, or lawn clippings? Americans should be free to use or abuse all three.

Well, OK! But we were originally speaking about carcinogensesis. What you got there was my précis of the actual studies, with the results of which I can concur. If you wish to be free to use or abuse marijuana, tobacco, or grass clippings, by all means feel free to vote that way.

If a referendum were held today, hell, you might even be on the winning side. My predilection is Bushmills Single Malt, which is heavily taxed. Perhaps other DOCs should be too!

24 posted on 07/13/2013 6:57:31 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk ("Obama" The Movie. Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica.")
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued; campaignPete R-CT; Impy

i was talkin bout the Gary ‘burbs ... but if C-fatigue is from Injunapolis ... maybe Paducah is a good central spot. There must be a bridge across the Ohigh at Paduke. I never made it there.

Cairo, Illinois for an afternoon in Jan ‘84. I chatted with old 4-eyes Paul Simon.


25 posted on 07/13/2013 8:24:56 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: campaignPete R-CT; Clintonfatigued; Impy; BillyBoy

Cairo... probably about the saddest place in Illinois (well, after East Saint Louis, perhaps). What should be a premier Mississippi River town and tourism spot is a near-dead and empty model for racial disharmony. The White citizenry just closed down their businesses in the ‘60s and up and left, leaving behind a Black underclass and little incentive to restore what were scores of 19th century architecture (entire blocks of the town are overgrown grassy fields where once were thriving areas, lined with brick boulevards). I went there twice in the ‘90s (’92 and ‘93) and it was just heartbreaking. It’s a shame no one takes an interest in remaking it again.


26 posted on 07/14/2013 5:02:00 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: campaignPete R-CT; fieldmarshaldj

You should have pushed Mr. Bow Tie into the hateful Mississip’.

Charles Dickens had nothing but bad things to say about Cario loooong before the 1960’s.


27 posted on 07/14/2013 10:15:56 PM PDT by Impy (Bring back the spoils system.)
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