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Founder of Mass.-based Bose audio firm dies at 83 (Amar Bose)
AP via KEYC TV ^ | July 12, 2013 | Steve LeBlanc

Posted on 07/12/2013 5:06:04 PM PDT by EveningStar

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To: OldPossum
I'm just saying that one thing is better than the other. I've got music on both CD and vinyl and the difference is amazing. I've got the first CD I've ever bought and I don't have it on vinyl and I tried to listen to it and it sounded like fingernails on a chalkboard, granted this CD was made in the 80s.

You may say snob, I say expert and so do the people I've done work for and it's just a hobby to me.

I've been to a lot of concerts and I don't remember any Bose speakers. I've heard cars that were Bose equipped and they sounded lousy. Not just bad but it sounded like they boosted the mids and attenuated the bass and treble, it just sounded bad and I've heard it in more than one car model. Bose is overpriced and really under performing.

I've got a CD player in my car but it sounds better if you rip a MP3 at a high sampling rate and play it that way. There was actually a car that came with a turntable. This isn't the one I was thinking of since I think it was a Lincoln that had it but this is pretty cool:

Does the guy in the ad look like Alec Baldwin's dad?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0hRzEihsR4

Next thing people will be talking about how their $100 audio cables sound so much better than what you can get at Radio Shack.

41 posted on 07/13/2013 12:12:56 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: Lx
Some of it's personal taste and some is just out right quality issues. I worked with a guy who could play a six or twelve string guitar and he was real good at it. He didn't like playing bass notes. I have an idea given our trade he had substantial low frequency hearing loss. Thus it meant nothing to him. For me I like bass and I have moderate mid range and severe upper frequency hearing loss to the point of hearing aids. As far as speakers go they do matter.

Here's another example of where speakers matter. If I understand it right Joe Walsh's trademark sound is obtained by his use of 8" speakers no one else uses. It only makes sense if a person liked Walsh's music having 8" speakers included in your speaker system would greatly enhance it.

Personally I prefer older speaker systems with multiple range speakers in the cabinet at least three but prefer five. One of my prize possessions as a teen in the 1970's was a set of speakers my uncle had made up and gave to me with five to each cabinet. They could be driven by a small transistor radio or later by my 100 watt stereo system. They had no preamp.

Different size speakers, different brands, and differing magnets and material etc will give different sounds that is a given fact. A Bose sound system is basically a compromise in that respect. Standing alone if it's all you have it will sound great. IOW it sure beats nothing IMO. My Mom has a Bose CD player and speakers in her Tahoe and yea I like popping in a CD when I'm taking it to fuel it up for her. For a vehicle system it has good sound. Mowing I use an MP3 player with ear buds and shooters head set. By no means great quality but it breaks the monotony of mowing.

In the house I have my component system. I have a turntable, CD, and tuner. I also have a true full size speaker system hooked to it. I do like Vinyl but I also like the portability of either CD or MP3 outside the house. Also some of my vinyl is now damaged after years of use and CD's is the easiest to obtain replacement.

I use a MP3 player on highest rate going through a Cassette adapter on the factory player that came with the truck in 1995. For a vehicle setting it's OK.

I love the miniaturization of BOSE sound systems. People bought them and then donated their older sound system especially the larger speaker systems to thrift stores where I have scored $500 plus range pair of speakers for $25 a set :>} Now that makes me happy happy happy LOL.

42 posted on 07/13/2013 6:47:34 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Lx

Actually, possibly depending on the time frame, Bose car speakers were 1 ohm impedance, so if the car had amps made for those speakers, running 8 ohm speakers made for a pretty big sensitivity hit. But, if the new speakers played loud enough for you, the amp was loafing, and you’d probably never blow it.

The electronics likely also had equalization built in to boost the highs and lows of the Bose speakers, so you probably got LOTS of highs and lows with the new speakers in there. :-)

Strictly speaking, the old Bose 901’s (the “direct / reflecting” home speakers Bose was best known for, until the Wave Radio came along) also had eq. to boost the highs and lows to a respectable level. The real problem was that this eq. required a LOT of power on the low end, and the speakers were subject to a LOT of harmonic and intermodulation distortion if “pushed” on the low end. Even the later ported versions were much improved by adding a good subwoofer.


43 posted on 07/15/2013 8:45:35 PM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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I concede that vinyl is vastly superior to CDs.

Not necessarily... And I say that despite maintaining a much larger collection of vinyl than polycarbonate (CD's).

"What happened" is that with most turntables, you get all kinds of resonances and (hopefully somewhat suppressed) feedback in the turntable and in the record itself. These tend to euphonically "warm up" the sound. With CD, little of that occcurs. It took most recording studios a while to adjust to that. Moreover, I read (somewhere) that during this period a lot of studio monitors were replaced with a "new generation", and I do know for a fact that acoustics of recording studios have evolved a lot, over the years, all further contributing to changes in how music is typically "enhanced", and equalized on its way to becoming a published recording.

Home loudspeakers have also evolved -- until recently, few home speaker systems or designers took into account something called "diffraction loss", which can make a recording that is actually fairly true to the original ("Hi-Fi", right?) sound thin and harsh. Here's a good explanation of diffraction loss:

http://customanalogue.com/elsinore/elsinore_2.htm#Diffraction Loss

I won't even get into typical changes in room decor and acoustics...

Anyway, it took the studios a while to catch up. (Alan Parsons hints at some of this in the liner notes to the re-release of his "Tales of Mystery and Imagination", which can be found as a double CD of both the original release and the re-release -- quite fascinating to compare, really.) But all that said, all that some of those screechy sounding early CD's need is a little tweaking with an eq. And not all are screechy or harsh sounding: For example, I have the original release of Fleetwood Mac's "Rumours" on CD, and on good speakers, it sounds wonderful. In fact, the more high end the speakers (excluding poor designs), the better it sounds.

Another factor is that many CD's have had multiple releases, some better than others, and many times European or Japanese releases are better than the U.S. releases. U.S. releases are too often geared toward people with boom boxes or cheap car stereos, apparently.

Yet another factor in recent years, this one a negative, is something called the "Loudness Wars". See YouTube or Google for more info., if you have not already. Basically, most modern recordings are "squashed" (heavily compressed) to get the maximum average loudness out of each track. (This and other tricks are how TV commercials are made subjectively "loud".) Unfortunately, this sort of thing cannot be fixed with eq. It also means that some LP's actually have much better dynamic range than some CD's, despite the CD's theoretical advantage. It can even happen to some degree with the same album on both media. For example:

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/index.php?search_artist=adele&search_album=21

Believe me, that Adele recording has more problems than dynamic range, but that CD's dynamic range is pretty pathetic. By comparison, the 1985 German release of Supertramp's "Brother, Where You Bound" is a great recording -- simply stunning on a really good system, and it's not even an "audiophile" CD. (Mobile Fidelity, Sheffield Lab, etc.)

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/index.php?search_artist=supertramp&search_album=brother

Or if you prefer, say, Mancini, his daughter's tribute album, "Ultimate Mancini", is a gorgeous recording: I've wowed high end mfgr's at CES selling speakers upward of $50,000 a pair(!), with that one, and my copy is "just" an ordinary (Redbook) CD, competently and lovingly done.

One surrenders quality for convenience.

Well, unless you have a serious SAF (spouse acceptance factor) at play*, that's not necessarily true, either.

*Even if 4" tall speakers are the most your spouse will allow in the house, there are always VERY good headphones for well under $200.

Then, yes, you might have to pick your source material carefully, or invest in a good eq. (or eq. software), and record your own CD's for the car. With a little work and modest expense, almost anyone might be surprised at how much more they can find in their music, or how little sacrifice of quality is really necessary... :-)

As for Dr. Bose, no, for "critical listening" purposes Bose speakers do not meet my standards, if I go into that "mode". But neither would AAL's speakers. Each person has at any given time their own standard -- I just try to encourage people "up" once in a while, because great sound can be SO rewarding. Still, Amar Bose was as well-known as one can get, in audio, and he brought a lot of enjoyment of music to a lot of people. Plus he gave much of what he had to MIT a couple years ago – most commendable. It is with regret that I see him pass.

44 posted on 07/16/2013 2:57:40 AM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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