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We never should have witnessed a Zimmerman trial
Fox News ^ | July 14, 2013 | John Lott

Posted on 07/13/2013 11:46:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The George Zimmerman case should never have been brought. Saturday night after the “not guilty” verdict was delivered, State Attorney Angela Corey justified bringing the case “to put the facts out there.” But criminal cases should never be brought simply to put the facts before the public.

No one should be charged with a crime unless prosecutors themselves really believe that the person committed a crime.

Yet, the prosecution and their own experts’ language consistently showed a lack of certainty. Prosecutors aren’t supposed to bring cases where the best they can say is that something might “possibly” have happened or that there was a “chance” that it did.

Usually defense attorneys are the ones trying to get prosecution witnesses to concede that alternative explanations might be possible. In the Zimmerman trial, even the prosecution couldn’t get definite statements out of their own witnesses.

By the end of the trial, with the prosecution conceding that Travyon Martin was likely on top of Zimmerman, prosecutors were forced to speculate that possibly Martin was about to get off of Zimmerman when he was shot. That, by itself, completely undermined the prosecution's claim that Martin was the one calling for help.

The case was so weak that the local Sanford District Attorney refused to bring charges against Zimmerman. That is why, on the orders of the governor, an outside District Attorney, Angela Corey, had to be brought in to handle it.....

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
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1 posted on 07/13/2013 11:46:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The George Zimmerman case should never have been brought. Saturday night after the “not guilty” verdict was delivered, State Attorney Angela Corey justified bringing the case “to put the facts out there.” But criminal cases should never be brought simply to put the facts before the public.

So what's she saying? "Oh, we didn't think he did it either, but no amount of fear, stress, and expense is too much for someone else to bear, if I can get some face time and 'get some facts out there'"? Sheesh, she's obviously not in defense mode for the malicious prosecution lawsuit yet. Better dummy up quick (no pun intended), Angela!

2 posted on 07/13/2013 11:51:29 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It just show the KKK is still in the Dunbocrats party.
3 posted on 07/13/2013 11:52:34 PM PDT by Domangart
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The prosecution argued for the defense.

Weirdest thing I ever saw... Short of Rosanne Barr singing the National Anthem...


4 posted on 07/13/2013 11:54:23 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Still Thinking

Those were my thoughts as well.
Zimmerman has a far greater chance of winning a malicious prosecution case against her than the state had in their absurd case against him.

I hope Zimmerman cleans up in lawsuits against the state and local prosecutors and also against NBC.

NBC will settle out of court IMO.
They look extremely dirty with their doctored audio recording... not a leg to stand on.


5 posted on 07/13/2013 11:58:55 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fox News is really effed up.


6 posted on 07/13/2013 11:58:56 PM PDT by Wiggins
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To: Vendome
The prosecution argued for the defense.

I do not watch many trials, but this one I did. I have to agree with your observation. It was surreal. Maybe not as surreal as Rosanne Barrr singing the National Anthem or any song for that matter. But the fat lady did sing tonight (metaphorically speaking).

7 posted on 07/13/2013 11:59:46 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (.Molon Labe - shall not be questioned)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This case should never have been brought by prosecutors, but they let race-baiting politics dictate their decision.


8 posted on 07/13/2013 11:59:53 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
State Attorney Angela Corey justified bringing the case “to put the facts out there.”

I saw Jeanine Pirro go ballistic over this on Geraldo Rivera's show tonight.

Pirro said that the justice system should only be used for what it was designed for. A prosecutor should only charge someone when they have the facts to prove the case. The justice system should not be used "to put facts out there." You should be confident that you have the facts to convict before turning some family's lives upside down for 18 months.

She closed by saying that the justice system should not be used to advance the agenda of one political party.

-PJ

9 posted on 07/14/2013 12:02:10 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: All




Justice Prevailed, despite her best efforts!

10 posted on 07/14/2013 12:09:01 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“We Should Have Never Witnessed The Zimmerman Trial”

Truer words were never said.

The media refused to cover the Gosnell trial because it was a “local matter”. Well, so was this.

This whole thing was ginned up by the media, sports/entertainment people and politicians (including The Won).

If there are riots... they are the ones to blame.


11 posted on 07/14/2013 12:11:27 AM PDT by berdie
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To: onyx
Dang, even the furrow under her lip has a frown.........Just dang.
12 posted on 07/14/2013 12:11:57 AM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Trey Gowdy......Nuff said.)
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To: The Cajun

You’re right! LOL.
She’s angry!


13 posted on 07/14/2013 12:12:41 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Angela Corey is a vile person, but she is merely one of the lesser imps.

Rick Scott and Pam Bondi, both Republicans like Corey, are the demons that unleashed the imps, and we’ve yet to see if the Devils in Washington are willing to let this matter drop.


14 posted on 07/14/2013 12:34:51 AM PDT by M1911A1
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"We didn't want to take the heat for deciding not to prosecute, so we forced a trial to make a jury render a verdict. We thought if you could see how flimsy the prosecution's case is, you'll all calm down." What she doesn't understand is that even now that the facts are all "out there" that show GZ acted in self-defense, the ginned-up mobs are still out for blood. The facts mean nothing to them. They never did.

No comment from Dear Leader? No call for restraint? He doesn't want restraint. He's licking his lips hoping chaos will ensue.

15 posted on 07/14/2013 1:13:27 AM PDT by informavoracious (We're being "punished" with Stanley Ann's baby. Obamacare: shovel-ready healthcare.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I had to watch because I was waiting to find out how long I have to let a perp beat my ass before I can shoot him. I still don't know even now. I want to do the right thing but no one has explained that yet. If Martin didn't have Skittles, can you shoot him then? There were so many questions I didn't get answers to in my gun carry class. Was Martin supposed to yell out that he was only 17 and unarmed as he was pounding someone's head into concrete?

I know if someone jumped me in the dark, I would assume he was over 18 and armed. That's why you carry a gun in the first place. If Martin was scared as they seem to imply, why didn't he run home in the 4 minutes he had? Why didn't he hang up on his HO and dial 911?

This whole thing is really confusing for me. As it is, I guess until someone gives me some answers I will have to do what I always thought was the right thing and that would be to shoot and ask questions later. If you are beating my ass, I don't think I will wait for brain damage before using the gun I purchased for that reason. It seems to me a lot easier if Martin would have just gone about his business and not confronted Zimmerman. Asking someone you are frightened with "What the "eff" is your problem", is not the way I would start a conversation with someone I was frightened of. If Zimmerman was telling the truth, he wasn't even going to say anything to Martin until the cops came. If Martin just went home, Zimmerman would have been waiting for a cop and Martin would be eating his Skittles in front of the TV at dad's house.

PS. You don't walk around houses under the eves to look in windows just because it's raining. If it's raining going to 7-11, then you can walk in the rain on the sidewalks going home. Sculking around windows under the eves looks bad and will probably draw attention to yourself.

16 posted on 07/14/2013 1:18:07 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: Still Thinking

Angela Corey should be tried for malicious prosecution. Put the facts out there and see what a jury says.


17 posted on 07/14/2013 1:26:39 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

18 posted on 07/14/2013 1:31:59 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: chuckles

PS. You don’t walk around houses under the eves to look in windows just because it’s raining. If it’s raining going to 7-11, then you can walk in the rain on the sidewalks going home. Sculking around windows under the eves looks bad and will probably draw attention to yourself. ************

Find a photo of the place. The eaves are VERY small. Lots of bushes and privacy fences next to the buildings. (Oh - the buildings are two stories - so those tiny eaves wouldn’t do much good anyway.

No way was Martin by the buildings to “stay out of the rain”.


19 posted on 07/14/2013 1:38:41 AM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The conduct of the prosecution and the judge was pure kangaroo court. Thank God the jury kept its head and delivered the right decision. A win for justice but it should have never come down to this. And George Zimmerman, what now for him? If I were he, Australia or New Zealand would be under consideration.


20 posted on 07/14/2013 2:47:56 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Hugin
Angela Corey should be tried for malicious prosecution. Put the facts out there and see what a jury says.

I second that.

21 posted on 07/14/2013 3:09:25 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Standing Wolf

bump


22 posted on 07/14/2013 3:12:56 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: 2ndDivisionVet



A Black Man asks; What is wrong with these Negros?



23 posted on 07/14/2013 3:33:47 AM PDT by goron (If this be treason, make the most of it! - Patrick Henry)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The trial was to provoke race riots.

Did Jeb Bush actually push for it? Just like hs dad pushed for double jeopardy in Rodney King?


24 posted on 07/14/2013 3:47:15 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Absolutely correct. This should never have happened.

George took one for us!! The right to bear arms and the GOD GIVEN right of self defense...

Now we know WHY the right to bear arms was put into the Bill of Rights.

One makes no sense without the other.

Still think about the gun not chambering the second shot. Was God protecting George from being shot or George from shooting again and again?

25 posted on 07/14/2013 3:52:26 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: 21twelve

You don’t walk near these buildings...period....That’s what the sidewalks are for.


26 posted on 07/14/2013 3:56:56 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

After the behavior of the Socialist Leaning Media and the Progressive Liberal Politicians, anybody think George Zimmerman will keep voting Democrat?


27 posted on 07/14/2013 4:09:17 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If, like most Martin supporters still believe, Zimmerman had "chased down" Martin and shot him just for walking through Z's neighborhood, throw the book at him.
If he, GZ, had accosted Martin and after a non-physical argument had shot him, throw the book at him
If after arguing, Martin had punched GZ and GZ pulled out his gun and shot him, throw the book at GZ.
If during a fight where both parties were exchanging blows and GZ pulled out his gun and shot Martin, throw the book at GZ.
If after sighting Martin and on returning to his vehicle, GZ was accosted by an angry Martin who knocked him down, straddled him, and continued to punch and slam his head into the concrete, and Zimmerman pulled out his gun and shot Martin, GZ is innocent. The known facts of the case suggest the last possibility is what happened. Case closed.
28 posted on 07/14/2013 4:21:48 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Hugin

“State Attorney Angela Corey justified bringing the case “to put the facts out there.” But criminal cases should never be brought simply to put the facts before the public.”

“Angela Corey should be tried for malicious prosecution. Put the facts out there and see what a jury says.”

100% agree. And prosecute the judge for judicial misconduct just to get the facts out there.... And Obummer for not being a US citizen, just to get the facts out there.... And Holder for criminal acts... We want the facts... Like Nancy Pelosi said about the Obamacare bill, “We need to do this to see what is inside!!!”


29 posted on 07/14/2013 4:31:29 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I just got back from Starbucks and had a philly radio station on. They had a lawyer “expert” on who claimed half the evidence supported and half supported Martin. The media needs to stop placating their audience with Bullshit and begin telling them the truth.


30 posted on 07/14/2013 5:00:16 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Sacajaweau

We all need to support George with some type of fund......waiting to see if one is set up. I will happily brown bag my lunch for a year to send him money. Indeed, he did take one for us from a highly politicized and CORRUPT system.


31 posted on 07/14/2013 5:03:06 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Still Thinking
-- Sheesh, she's obviously not in defense mode for the malicious prosecution lawsuit yet. --

She added fuel for Zimmerman to prevail in a federal civil rights claim against the state. Corey said that a trial is the correct venue for getting the fact out. Ummm, that's only part of the justification to subject a person to the ordeal of a trial. What has to be present is probable cause. If the facts don't produce probable cause, and it's Corey's job to make that determination, not the jury's, then it is unethical to prosecute, and a deprivation of civil rights.

If she thinks using a jury to do her job represents the way the criminal justice system is supposed to work, then she is going to cost the state of Florida money damages again and again and again.

32 posted on 07/14/2013 5:11:23 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Red in Blue PA
-- The media needs to stop placating their audience with Bullshit and begin telling them the truth. --

That has never happened, and never will happen. The press is full of moronic half-wit agitators.

33 posted on 07/14/2013 5:13:40 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Well then, I hope they are forced to pay for the doctored 911 tape. George should own Rockefeller Center after that case. I would not settle that.....bring that before a jury.


34 posted on 07/14/2013 5:26:28 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Settlement or not is a business decision for Zimmerman too. It'll go to trial if he holds out for big enough damages. He's got a very strong case, and most capable defamation advocates.

If you were in his shoes, how much money would you decide is "enough" to make it worth skipping the trial? I'd say somewhere around 50 million dollars.

The case carries a good chance for punitive damage award, which means enough to deter that sort of conduct in the future. Punitive damages is as close to "criminal conduct" as the civil court system has. And NBC (and other press outlets, AP comes to mind, CNN too) have crossed the line in such a way as to deliberately set up an innocent person for a year of torment from a corrupt prosecutor and criminal court. They ought to be deterred from that sort of conduct.

35 posted on 07/14/2013 5:42:50 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Squantos
Zimmerman should sue every public office holder who weighed in on the matter prior to the verdict. There's more than ample evidence that his arrest and trial were politically motivated. After the public office holders, he needs to initiate law suits against the race baiters such as the Shakedown Brothers, Sharpton and Jackson, as well as elements of the media.

...and he needs to do it while it's still fresh in the public mind. ...just to "...put the facts out there.” ...which is the same reason State Attorney Angela Corey took him to trial to start with. She abused our Judicial System as a "media distribution system". However, Zimmerman on the other hand, has a good case against her and others now through the same Judicial System. Let's see how she likes it when she's the one under the "light". Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee should also sue to be reinstated.

Never have I seen so corrupt a justice and media system so bent on the demonization and destruction of an individual, denied of their prize in such a way. For sure their weekend has sucked and I for one am very pleased that they were DENIED from culminating the evil that they started. I believe that what we've all just witnessed is simply a result of the "reflection" of the types of people who voted in our current vile national leadership. These types of things are exactly what we should expect. Nobody should be surprised. When thieves manage a storeroom, the inventory will either be a running lie, or be impossible to balance. It's a character issue... a heart issue... and it flows from the top down.

But mark my words, what I hope for probably won't happen. Another invented crisis will soon overshadow this issue. A few might see through it, but the masses of blind, willfully stupid people will simply latch onto the next crisis and that will become their focus. Wait and watch for it, because with the real potential of the violent shit-storm that's very likely to come against those who took Zimmerman through this ordeal, they're going to want the focus away from them, and quickly. Something will happen that simply distracts most people.

As for those who have threatened rioting and bloodshed in the streets... that would be a most unwise thing at this point. They've been talking about it for weeks... which effectively means that they've lost any element of surprise. Not to sound prideful or arrogant, but I believe that an appropriate response to their threat at this point would be -

BRING IT
36 posted on 07/14/2013 5:44:40 AM PDT by hiredhand
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To: driftless2

Good summary of the possibilities from driftless2. What this contempt for the facts suggests to me is that the prosecution was arguing that GZ intended to shoot TM regardless of what the latter did, and the fact that TM attacked GZ before he got around to shooting him in cold blood was not relevant to GZ’s already having the evil intent necessary for a 2nd degree murder conviction. Convoluted logic? Yes. Putting hypothetical concerns above demonstrable facts? Yes. Constitutionally absurd? True. BUT — this is where you end up when you criminalize states of mind, as in “hate crimes,” and use general, morally-couched accusations (”racial profiling”) to excuse specific, statutory offenses (trespassing and assault and battery in TMs case).


37 posted on 07/14/2013 5:49:55 AM PDT by thanatz
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To: hiredhand; Squantos

38 posted on 07/14/2013 5:50:13 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

:-)


39 posted on 07/14/2013 5:51:28 AM PDT by hiredhand
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To: Cboldt

Zimmerman needs enough money to be able to safely live somewhere incognito for the rest of his life. He should also have enough to employ 24/7 armed protection for himself and his loved ones - at least for the near future.

If I was one of the jurors, I wouldn’t feel so safe either. It’s only a matter of time before a disgruntled court employee releases their names and addresses. They’d probably be better off just going public now and hiring 24/7 protection for themselves and their loved ones. They can send the bill to the state of FL.


40 posted on 07/14/2013 5:52:51 AM PDT by randita
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Exactly. If these racist idiots truly wanted “justice” and “peace” and “unity” and all their other little slogans, they would be a helluva lot more concerned about violence in the cities. The fact they don’t give a rat’s behind speaks volumes that their agenda is politics and nothing more.


41 posted on 07/14/2013 5:57:33 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (NOT Guilty . . . the ONLY conclusion)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The case was so weak that the local Sanford District Attorney refused to bring charges against Zimmerman. That is why, on the orders of the governor, an outside District Attorney, Angela Corey, had to be brought in to handle it.....

What say all you Rick Scott fans out there? (I'm not from FLA and don't know anything about him).

42 posted on 07/14/2013 5:57:49 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: hiredhand
as for those who have threatened violence or rioting in the streets..

I think their very threats are assuming that whites should fear blacks. That in itself is racist. That from people who are allowing themselves to be replaced by hispanics in the US....amazing that they don't get it.

It's the conservative view that will save them from invasion, from being reduced to near-slave handout status, from having their neighborhoods and jobs taken over. Will enough of them wake up and stop supporting the democratic-media-celebrity-government onslaught that is causing genocide by demographics?

43 posted on 07/14/2013 5:57:50 AM PDT by grania
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To: chuckles
I still don't know even now

Did you ever see anything as confusing as the FL jury instructions on manslaughter?

I always thought it would be a tactical error to plead SYG, but GZ almost got hung over the issue of "culpable negligence" and whether or not CCW = "intent".

It turns out that his most straightforward defense was that he had the right to be where he was, and Martin had no right to be banging on his head.

I'm still worried about the general application of SYG (being a common law fan), but in this case it looks like it would have helped GZ.

44 posted on 07/14/2013 6:03:44 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: randita
-- It's only a matter of time before a disgruntled court employee releases their names and addresses. --

The court is going to release their names and addresses in due course. The absolute longest delay will be 6 months, and I expect it will be more like 4 weeks. They are better off anonymous, but they lost that protection when they were selected.

Damn skippy on the state of Florida being responsible for subjecting the jurors to this risk. Corey has a wake of damage behind her that is astounding. Unfortunately, the state is not responsible to protect anybody other than their select members, like judges, politicians and prosecutors.

45 posted on 07/14/2013 6:07:56 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: hiredhand
Zimmerman should sue every public office holder who weighed in on the matter prior to the verdict.

He needs to do it BEFORE Zero and Holder bring the civil rights trial. Which EVERYONE knows they will, and intimidate the jury into a conviction.

46 posted on 07/14/2013 6:10:48 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Buck Off, Bronco Bama)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What we're not hearing from all of this is what does the "Hispanic Community" have to say about this? Nobody is talking about that. What would the media and the Democrats say if suddenly one of their major constituencies stood up on their hind legs and raised hell about one of theirs being improperly prosecuted?

But the media, being the jackals they are, don't play up Mr. Zimmerman's Hispanic background, as we all know.

47 posted on 07/14/2013 6:14:19 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Buck Off, Bronco Bama)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I saw Ms Corey speak last night. She is one greasy piece of work.


48 posted on 07/14/2013 6:19:28 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: grania
Good questions you ask. I don't know. I DO know this, and that is that there is indeed a problem with black youth, especially in urban concentration areas. I'm a bit of a "hick" and I really do not get out much, so to speak. I'm also gainfully employed by a state Judicial Branch. I am NOT involved in the practice of law however.

Anyway... in the course of my job, I had to spend considerable time at a large courthouse recently and during the days I spent there I was able to observe people. I stood just behind and off to the side of the metal detectors and Deputies who were screening people. I saw people that looked like as though I could certainly relate...dressed in business casual wear...obviously "comfortable" in it... just there for traffic court. I could hear a LOT of conversation between people as well so I knew why a good many of them were there as they conversed within earshot. Then, there were the parents of the young adults who were there for traffic court and other minor infractions.

But then there was the black youth. People who know me know I'm not a racist. I grew up in a very small place below the Mason Dixon Line though which permeated racism, and my wife and I vowed that it would never exist in our home. My kids have always been baffled by racism because they simply don't "get it". We've never perpetuated it, or even discussed it. It's simply not an issue. But even my "kids" (all young adults now) can SEE the problem with the "gang banger" culture and racism.

Anyway... as I'm standing there in the back of the courthouse lobby, people are streaming in. I'd say that over 60% were black youth who not only didn't appear to be pinnacles of their community, but based on their comments were NOT. I overheard snippets of conversation concerning car theft, B&E, robbery, rape, drug use and distribution. The "highlight" of it all was this one black "kid" (probably no more than 24) who was behind me as we were walking up a very narrow flight of stairs. He had three gaudily dressed young females with him who all seemed rather "fond" of him. He was dressed in a suit, which he seemed very uncomfortable in and was discussing his "case" with his young women. He said (and I quote) -

"Ya'll bitches just don't know me and what I can do. Yeah... I killed that motherfucker with my own gun, but he deserved it after running his big mouth. But these dumb- assed cracker cops can't prove NOTHIN!"

One of my partners in front of me turned slightly where I could see his face and he had an "amazed" look. I felt like turning around and asking the young "Einstein" how he would feel if I were to march my happy ass into the Judges Chambers and explain what I had just overheard? But if I had done that, I would have done NOTHING but that, because there was just so much of it. He is just one example of what I overheard.

...and YES, there were some white kids there who were definitely BAD NEWS. But not many. Interestingly enough, it seemed that most Hispanics were there for traffic court. Me and the two guys I was working with talked about it and agreed that about two thirds of the people coming in were black youth of this subculture I'm trying to explain. I think you understand it though.... or have at least seen it.

So yes... there IS a problem with black youth and its subculture. But what's the source of it? Where is their leadership?... yes, I'm talking about the leadership who also has its own particularly vile subculture... yep... that one! Where did they veer from being able to facilitate an environment where their youth could flourish and become something GREAT and VALUABLE?!

I don't know the answers myself, but I can tell you from first hand observations that something is most definitely wrong with them. When a full 2/3 of the people coming into a big courthouse all look like Trayvon Martins, it certainly makes a person wonder!
49 posted on 07/14/2013 6:29:48 AM PDT by hiredhand
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It's definitely time critical.
50 posted on 07/14/2013 6:32:10 AM PDT by hiredhand
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