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Sen. Ted Cruz Triumphs in 2016 Presidential Straw Poll: Wins Early GOP Vote Over Walker, Paul
Washington TImes ^ | 5 minutes ago | By Matthew Patane

Posted on 07/28/2013 6:13:04 PM PDT by drewh

Sen. Ted Cruz hasn’t said whether he has presidential ambitions, but Sunday he won one of the first straw polls for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination.

The Texas Republican captured 45 percent of the 504 votes cast by attendees at the Western Conservative Summit, a day after drawing several standing ovations during his luncheon speech at the fourth annual conference.

“We shall see what sort of crystal ball summiteers have in awarding that decisive nod to Sen. Ted Cruz, who was so magnificent from this platform,” said John Andrews, founder of the Centennial Institute at Colorado Christian University, which hosted the event.

Placing second was Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who delivered the keynote address Friday at the three-day summit, with 13 percent of the vote.

Tied for third were Sen. Rand Paul, Kentucky Republican, and former Rep. Allen B. West, Florida Republican, with 9 percent each. Mr. West was the conference’s featured speaker Sunday, while Mr. Paul received the most votes among those on the ballot who didn’t attend the conference.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Florida; US: Kentucky; US: Texas; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: 2016gopprimary; 2016strawpolls; allenwest; birthers; chrischristie; cruz; cruz2016; florida; johnandrews; kentucky; marcorubio; naturalborncitizen; newjersey; paul; randsconcerntrolls; scottwalker; texas; walker; wisconsin
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To: Plummz

Please explain how you believe I engaged in double think.


121 posted on 07/28/2013 9:49:23 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Red Steel

You have no authority to tell us what the law is or what it means.
You are NOBODY, in political or legal terms, or among conservative opinion leaders.
Your opinion is WORTHLESS, and you represent the lunatic fringe.
Ted Cruz is a Natural Born Citizen.


122 posted on 07/28/2013 9:57:28 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

This “Nobody” at least can read for comprehension. And goof ball, I’ve given you a name who has the credentials.


123 posted on 07/28/2013 10:03:04 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: NTW64

I see no one choose to bite on your silly comment.
See NTW, if desiring a candidate who speaks the truth is
considered extreme to you, perhaps Free Republic isn’t the place you want to hang around. There is nothing extreme about calling out the enemy. Nothing extreme about pointing out the flawed logic in unelected bureaucrates making decisions that effect all of us.

I think those who are extreme, are on the left. You know, the ones who want to defer to the UN for how we should be governed.

Wondering when telling it like it is became extreme?!


125 posted on 07/28/2013 10:03:19 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44 ('Hey citizen, what's in YOUR closet?')
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To: Red Steel
No, you have given me no living legal authority who agrees with you.
My reading comprehension is fine.
YOU on the other hand, remind me of a Monty Python character.
“What are you going to do, bleed on me”?
You have LOST this argument.
Birtherism is absurd.
You have NO authority to tell any of us what the law means.
126 posted on 07/28/2013 10:06:36 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

Yes I have, you must be a parrot or maybe a word salad machine.


127 posted on 07/28/2013 10:08:33 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: tallank

LOL
NAME a living attorney who agrees with your nonsense?
Name a living historian who agrees with your nonsense?
Name an elected official who agrees with your nonsense?
Name Judge who agrees with your nonsense?
Name a conservative leader who agrees with your nonsense?
Cruz is a Natural Born Citizen.
Cruz was a citizen of the United States at the very moment of Birth, that is all that is required.
You have NO authority on your silly side of the argument.


128 posted on 07/28/2013 10:09:47 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Lincoln was riding over the prairies of Illinois one day a man said to him, “Stranger you’re going to have trouble at Fox River. The bridge is down.” After thinking for a moment, Lincoln said, “Thank you mister but I make it a rule of my life never to cross Fox River until I get to it”

He has not even talked about running for President. Let cross the “Citizenship River” when we get to it.


129 posted on 07/28/2013 10:28:28 PM PDT by drinktheobamakoolaid (If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: tallank
Psssssst... so the parrot doesn't hear. It goes back to 2008. Someone with credentials who believes in the jus soli aspect of natural born:

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Professor Volokh, UCLA Law Prof corrects "Natural Born Citizen" error
Professor Volokh ^ | 12/01/2008 | Autumnraine

Posted on Monday, December 01, 2008 5:14:39 PM by autumnraine

Hi guys!

"Last week I emailed Prof Volokh after reading him quoted in a National Review article debunking the Certifigate and claiming that due to his mother being a citizen, it would make Obama a citizen even if he was born out of the country.

I googled Prof. Volokh giving him some law information regarding the age of Obama's mother. He emailed me back thanking me and said he has updated his blog. He doesn't doubt Obama was born in Hawaii, but he admits that the matter of IF Obama was born outside the US would make him ineligible by making him not a natural born citizen.

So here is his website.

http://volokh.com/"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2141124/posts

130 posted on 07/28/2013 10:30:55 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: max americana

It didn’t stop Romney, either.
His folks were born in Mexico.


131 posted on 07/29/2013 5:10:08 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: drewh

This is what happens when America is offered a Reagan Republican... not what we have had forced upon us since Reagan.

LLS


132 posted on 07/29/2013 5:26:38 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Have you noticed the two who immediately jumped in to say he's not eligible......joined FR this year.

Just saying.....

If I'm being rude or paranoid, I know others will tell me.

Just wondering if some folks are joining to start breaking things down.

133 posted on 07/29/2013 5:27:07 AM PDT by Guenevere (....)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Beck has stated that his mother and father were citizens at his birth. Being born in Canada has no effect as long as he is born of two American citizen parents. mcnasty was born on Panamanian soil.

LLS


134 posted on 07/29/2013 5:28:59 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: drewh

If Cruz wants to run for POTUS, all he needs to do is petition the Supreme Court (SCOTUS) to rule on his eligibility.

There are 4 liberal Justices who will vote to support Cruz since it will exonerate Obama when the truth finally comes out about Kenya (or Canada).

Will there be one conservative Justice who votes to support Cruz’ candidacy? My bet is “YES”.

That action will establish the definition of NBC to mean “born a citizen and not required to naturalize.”


135 posted on 07/29/2013 5:44:28 AM PDT by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Too bad for you but Ted himself disagrees with your conclusion.

It gets nutty around here especially when there are posters who if you follow their “logic”? he isn’t even a citizen of the United States at all but is Canadian because why?

He was born on the soil.

Tell us, dear expert, what makes him even a citizen as you say?

If he was born in Canada WHAT makes him a citizen at ALL, Mr. expert?

And if you will go down that thinking path a ways, you will find yourself - if honest - rethinking the whole issue of what does it mean to be “natural born”.


136 posted on 07/29/2013 5:50:53 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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To: drewh
Recently, there has been a lot of research by a lot of people into the proper meaning to be given to the term "natural born citizen." A relatively small group with an affinity for European legal theory got themselves all tangled up in an 18th century French book written by a Swiss fellow who didn't live long enough to ever even hear of the United States of American or its Constitution. That adventure led this small group of students to opine that perhaps it might be best if we begin to require that all of our presidents be born in the United States to two parents who are both citizens of the U.S. at the time of the child's birth. That rule, the European rule, has failed to convince many folks on this side of the Atlantic. In contrast, the American rule deems anyone who is a citizen at or by birth to be a "natural born citizen."

In the United States, the current consensus favors the American rule over the European rule and under the American rule, Ted Cruz is clearly a "natural born citizen" because he was a citizen upon his birth to a mother who was a citizen of the United States.

137 posted on 07/29/2013 6:13:18 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Red Steel

He was born on Canadian soil.

Being all hung up on the magical qualities of soil ownership by country, how do you figure that he is even a citizen?

There are some and I’ve read them here, whose nonsensical notions regarding his Canadian soil birth actually render him not even an American.

Question:

Is he an American?

If yes, on what basis, and did that basis confer on him American citizenship AT BIRTH, or was he required to obtain NATURALIZED citizenship later on, as an adult?

If he is an American and has citizenship by birth and not by obtaining naturalized citizenship, according to Ted Cruz himself and a host of others, that is their understanding of “natural born”.

They believe “natural born” is the opposite of “naturalized”.

That it does not reference soil of birth.

I will mention their understanding, from time to time, but overall I refuse to engage in these useless debates.

He (Cruz) can speak for himself. He knows just a little bit about the law, eh?

I will let him and those who agree with him debate “my side” of this if it ever rises to that level of need.


138 posted on 07/29/2013 6:24:06 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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To: Guenevere
Have you noticed the two who immediately jumped in to say he's not eligible......joined FR this year.

That of course makes them naturalized FReepers and not natural born FReepers, therefore not eligible to comment on requirements for the Presidency..... :)

139 posted on 07/29/2013 6:31:17 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Kansas58

I pulled a quote from one of the birthers, that I found ironic considering the cornerstone of their argument is Vattel. I apologize for the misunderstanding.


140 posted on 07/29/2013 6:33:27 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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