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Citing George Zimmerman's Acquittal As a Reason to Repeal 'Stand Your Ground' Laws Is a Non Sequitur
Reason Magazine's Hit and Run ^ | July 29, 2013 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 07/29/2013 8:31:07 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Today Sybrina Fulton, Trayvon Martin's mother, said she believed Florida's "stand your ground" self-defense law "assisted the person who killed my son to get away with murder." She did not explain how, which is hardly surprising, since George Zimmerman's defense was not based on the absence of a duty to retreat for people attacked in public places. Rather, it was a classic self-defense claim that could have been successful in any state. Fulton nevertheless insists "we have to change these laws so people don't get away with murder."

It is not hard to understand why a grieving mother might want to give her son's death some meaning by tying it to a broader cause, no matter how illogical the connection. But the leaders of the National Bar Association (NBA), the African-American lawyers' group that sponsored the event in Miami at which Fulton spoke, surely know better. They nevertheless are throwing their support behind a campaign to repeal "stand your ground" laws, citing Martin's shooting as justification. "Stand your ground laws must fall," says NBA President John E. Page. "It is time to stand up—stand up against 'stand your ground' laws and stand up in the memory of Trayvon Martin and Jordan Davis, and so many others whose killings were carried out by gun violence and justified by these senseless laws. We must not allow anyone to succumb to violence at the hands of vigilantes who devalue human life."

When The Miami Herald's Marc Caputo pointed out that Zimmerman could have successfully used exactly the same defense before Florida's "stand your ground law" was enacted in 2005, Page replied, "Why do you need the law then? There is a common-law right to protect yourself."(continued)

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; blackkk; florida; georgezimmerman; standyourground; sybrinafulton; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman

1 posted on 07/29/2013 8:31:07 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The author shouldn’t try to understand Sabrina Fulton, Tracy Martin, the dream defenders, the Al Sharptons, etc.....they all got their marching orders from Obama and Holder. Attack Stand your Ground laws.


2 posted on 07/29/2013 8:35:03 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It is not hard to understand why a grieving mother might want to give her son's death some meaning by tying it to a broader cause, no matter how illogical the connection.

It's a whole lot easier to understand when taking in account that Sabrina worked for the Miami-Dade County Government.

She had the Racial Grievance Committee on speed dial.

3 posted on 07/29/2013 8:44:17 PM PDT by digger48
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve seen data that shows black people successfuly use the “Stand Your Ground” law more than any other race. It is likely because of the inner city environment. In any case, if we get rid of ‘Stand Your Ground’ it will certainly mean even more blacks in prison. The civil rights community is really confused right now as the high black prison population is also one of their issues. Basically, they don’t know what they want. I personally think they want it to be 1950 again..that’s just me, thought.


4 posted on 07/29/2013 8:44:32 PM PDT by Mustangman (The GOP)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I've stopped reading or listening to ANY of the Zimmerman, Trayvon stuff. It's ALL nonsequiter.
5 posted on 07/29/2013 9:00:18 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Actually, I think it’s helpful. The masks are coming off for the general public to see.


6 posted on 07/29/2013 9:01:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: Girlene
Ms.Fulton and Mr.Martin, and their legal team combined with a no longer trusted news media, have all but exhausted their usefull idiot roles.

Very few people are buying their schtick.

7 posted on 07/29/2013 9:06:45 PM PDT by sarasmom (The obvious takes longer to discover for the obtuse.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No way will she admit that her baby tried to beat someone to death. They really seem to believe that getting hurt feelings is an excuse for anything.


8 posted on 07/29/2013 9:28:59 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

‘Putting the word “mother” in a sentence carrying the name Sybrina Fulton, is akin to considering Roman Polanski a nominee for Teen Girl Counselor.’-——http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/07/29/media-image-mother-of-the-year-truth-opportunistic-detached-manipulative-parasite-taking-advantage-of-dead-son-for-financial-reward/


9 posted on 07/29/2013 10:32:57 PM PDT by yadent
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To: Mustangman

In the absence of “Stand your ground” laws are the requirement of “Retreat from evil” laws. That puts everything in the real perspective. If you are required to retreat in situations where police are not required to retreat, then common people are stripped of their ability to confront the wrong doers. If you tackle a mugger, and it goes bad, are you liable for their death if you defend yourself?

DK


10 posted on 07/30/2013 12:55:48 AM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Florida’s old law was that if threatened with deadly force, you needed to tuck your tail between your legs and scoot the other way, or be arrested. SYG changed that. Now the beneficiaries irrationally want the old way back. Duh.


11 posted on 07/30/2013 2:00:18 AM PDT by imardmd1 (An armed society is a polite society -- but dangerous for the fool --)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What these people really want is to be able to threaten you, and have you get out of their way whether you are armed or not.
12 posted on 07/30/2013 2:06:52 AM PDT by imardmd1 (An armed society is a polite society -- but dangerous for the fool --)
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To: sarasmom

“Very few people are buying their schtick. “

Do you ean buying their LIES? They’re just following the Plantation masters, uh, LIAR in chiefs’, orders.


13 posted on 07/30/2013 3:53:47 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The behavior of self defense will never change, the results will simply get buried if it’s made illegal. This should be obvious to the left and the political class, but they are completely oblivious.


14 posted on 07/30/2013 4:35:10 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Many of the people like Morgan bashing Zimmerman obviously have an anti-gun agenda. They don’t like or accept the fact that American citizens are allowed to be armed. Would all the race-baiters and various parasites be happy if instead of using a gun, Zimmerman had in fact been an accomplished martial arts fighter and killed Martin with a well-placed punch or kick? Somehow, I doubt it.


15 posted on 07/30/2013 4:47:17 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: driftless2

Too bad Martin’s mother didn’t spend the same amount of time on keeping HER KID out of trouble, perhaps he would still be alive had she. Instead, NOW she comes forward.

Wasn’t she the one who LEFT the kids for the father to raise? Some “mother” she was/is


16 posted on 07/30/2013 4:56:50 AM PDT by DaveA37 (I'm for SMALLER , HONEST government)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The day will come when the liberals will get their way and it will be ILLEGAL to stop someone (of color) from killing you. I guess the black man is an endangered species like the darter snail.


17 posted on 07/30/2013 5:59:14 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As I posted elsewhere, what these black leaders want is an Enabling Act for criminals. Remember why SYG and castle doctrine laws were passed in the first place—to prevent attackers from suing civilly if they were hurt in attempting a crime.


18 posted on 07/30/2013 7:03:21 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
They really seem to believe that getting hurt feelings is an excuse for anything...

I had the "Discussion" before I was a teenager...no fighting and no arguing with cops.

The only "discussion" I see evidence of from this "parent?"

"Don't let them get in your face!"

19 posted on 07/30/2013 7:22:46 AM PDT by gogeo (I didn't leave the Republcan Party, it left me.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Liz; Uncle Chip; sickoflibs
Odd that blacks - who overwhelmingly are the violent criminals of our culture (as a percent of population) would favor a law that STOPS victims from being able to defend themselves.

Only makes sense when you think of Trayvon's daddy as being a former gang member...

20 posted on 07/30/2013 7:32:07 AM PDT by GOPJ (Sob stories make bad law...)
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To: gogeo
My Daddy could get in your face with the best of them, when he retired at age 60 he had 42 years in various Army uniforms behind him.

I didn't always hear him then but I always hear him now.

21 posted on 07/30/2013 7:42:42 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: digger48
...leaders of the National Bar Association (NBA), the African-American lawyers' group that sponsored the event in Miami at which Fulton spoke, surely know better. They nevertheless are throwing their support behind a campaign to repeal "stand your ground" laws...

Shall we assume African-American lawyers spend a lot of time and effort defending black thugs? Anything that weakens the victims or the victim's case would make that job easier. Destroying 'stand your ground' laws would do that - weaken the rights of the victim.

And since thugs are usually black - and victims are white and black - the job of the black lawyers becomes easier.

Next the National Bar Association will call for laws making it illegal for store owners to have security systems. Or for neighborhoods to have watch programs to protect themselves from thugs ... Or even better, laws that allow criminals to have juries composed of fellow black criminals - still incarcerated... NOW that would make the jobs of black lawyers much easier.

These folks are going creepy.

22 posted on 07/30/2013 7:44:17 AM PDT by GOPJ (Sob stories make bad law...)
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