Posted on 07/31/2013 10:56:43 AM PDT by nickcarraway
If the Senate immigration bill came up for a vote in the House, it would probably pass — some of the Republicans and almost all of the Democrats would combine for 218 votes. But conservatives have extracted promises from John Boehner not to let that happen, and the Speaker has dutifully pledged to keep the House from voting on any bill that lacks the support of most Republicans.
That would seem to make comprehensive reform pretty dead, right? Except Paul Ryan, who clearly wants to pass a bill, floated a way around this promise:
QUESTIONER: One of the biggest frustrations we’re seeing right now is hearing Speaker Boehner, that he’s going to follow the Hastert Rule. That he’s not going to bring any of these bills forward unless they have a majority support of the majority party. What’s your position, should you maintain that?
RYAN: [...] Bringing these bills to the floor, we’ll find out. It is not, “they don’t come to the floor unless we have a majority of the majority,” because we don’t know if we have a majority until we vote on it. So here’s where I see things going. I’ve spoken to John Boehner as recently as three days ago about this, which is, we all agree it is better to legislate in stages instead of one big thousand plus page bill that no one has read. [...] I’m trying to get to a consensus so a majority of us do support those component parts. I believe that’s achievable because when people really look at the details and they focus on what’s right, I believe what I’ve just laid out is something that a consensus of Republicans and Democrats can agree to.
Ryan is saying here that you can't know if Republicans support a bill until you actually hold the vote. I mean, you could ask them, but hey, who knows? Maybe they'll change their minds! Or maybe they'll try to vote against the bill but vote for it by accident. It happens. So the plan he's discussing here apparently would be to bring some bills to the floor and then find out if most Republicans support them. Of course, the likely outcome is that they discover that an overwhelming majority of Republicans really don't like the bill and vote against it, but it gets 200 Democratic votes and passes, by which point it's too late.
Are conservatives dumb enough to be fooled by this? I really doubt it. Is Ryan even going to try to fool them in such a ham-fisted way? I doubt that too. So why is he even floating this? Is he that desperate?
” It’s official.
I want to be bought.
I’m taking bids.”
I have posted many times that Rubio & Ryan will make the most.
” Dazzling them with sports! Sports!! SPORTS!!! has been working very well so far.”
With 72 inch TV’s, and space-age cell phones 24/7. Who needs to read history? It only repeats itself, anyway....
Whoa, I have a Note II, top of the line.
Great for messaging
and
playing Angry Birds.
Damned pigs.
LOL
The gop wing of the uniparty at work. Same old tired stuff, different day.
By contrast, those who have access to some of Jefferson's comments on immigration questions, should review them. This is far too serious a question to just let our future be denied by some form of political steam-roller.
William Flax
Exactly.
Look the political class does not give two craps about soldiers and blue collar workers. The surprising thing is that soldiers and blue collar workers believe that they do.
Based upon your account, seems my time here on earth is nearing end. Before I pass, just wondering if you could inform those that will remain who you think "Big Donors" are if not financial institutions, Home Builder Associations, Chambers of Commerce, and "companies who benefit from cheap labor." "Big donors" certainly aren't individuals or small business owners like myself. Who are these mystery donors?
I do agree the Republicans are being bought. The House faces a decision about whether they represent the people who elect them, or the donors who line their pockets. It's not looking good for the people IMO.
Perhaps the lie he was referring to is that unless they pass immigration reform Republicans can never be elected to nat’l office again.
My apologies if so. I certainly don't buy that line of bull squeeze either.
” “Big donors” certainly aren’t individuals or small business owners like myself. “
Some big donors ARE individuals who are quite wealthy. I know some of them form donor “syndicates”, and buy off certain politicians as a group. Less expensive that way for each investor.
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