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The Real J. Edgar Hoover? (The rumor that he was gay was Communist disinformation)
American Thinker ^ | 08/03/2013 | Paul Kengor, Grove City College

Posted on 08/03/2013 7:07:12 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Edward S. Miller, a lifetime FBI man of high rank and stature, recently passed away at the age of 89. A good man and good American, Miller, who was also a veteran of World War II (Okinawa), faithfully served his family, country, and God. He also faithfully served the agency that hired him in 1950, as well as the longtime head of that agency, J. Edgar Hoover.

I was fortunate to spend a long Saturday afternoon with Ed Miller back in March, at long last meeting him after previously only corresponding with him. (He was an alumnus of Grove City College, where I teach.) It was a time I won't forget, and Miller had some things he wanted me not to forget -- and to share with the public.

Foremost among them was his take on J. Edgar Hoover. He wanted the world to know what he insisted was the real J. Edgar Hoover -- a man totally contrary to the hysterical left-wing Hollywood portrayal that frames the FBI director as a mix between lunatic anti-communist, power-hungry Napoleonic authoritarian, and closet homosexual and cross-dresser. According to Ed Miller, none of it was true.

"He was terrific," Miller told me of Hoover, instantly knowing that such isn't the typical take on the man who was the face of the FBI for parts of six decades. During our detailed and varied conversation, few subjects lit up Miller quite like his old boss. Hoover was "great." He was "sharp." He was "absolutely brilliant." He was "wonderful."

Miller proceeded to give me example after example. Among them, here's one that will throw liberals for a loop, clashing as it does with their ideological prejudices:

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: coldwar; communistgoals; fbi; jedgarhoover; liberaltalkingpoint
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1 posted on 08/03/2013 7:07:12 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I hear that he was heartbroken he was has crush on his long time secretary when she got married that what I hear


2 posted on 08/03/2013 7:08:53 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: SevenofNine
Edward S. Miller, who knew Hoover quite well, says that Hoover was a heterosexual who had love affairs with beautiful women such as the glamorous actress Dorothy Lamour. Their romance, in fact, almost led to marriage. Hoover, however, was married to his job. "She dumped him because he was married to his job!"


3 posted on 08/03/2013 7:13:21 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
It's a real shame, she was so... NOT GUILTY

4 posted on 08/03/2013 7:16:20 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind; a fool in paradise

How could anyone be ‘gay’ before ‘gay’ was invented, huh?


5 posted on 08/03/2013 7:18:13 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: SeekAndFind

JEdger had WAY too much power. He was the NSA of his day.


6 posted on 08/03/2013 7:19:14 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Revolting cat!

RE: How could anyone be ‘gay’ before ‘gay’ was invented, huh?

From Wikipedia:

Gay is a term that primarily refers to a homosexual person or the trait of being homosexual.

The term was originally used to refer to feelings of being “carefree”, “happy”, or “bright and showy”.

The term’s use as a reference to homosexuality may date as early as the late 19th century, but its use gradually increased in the 20th century.

Here’s the reference:

Online Etymology dictionary.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=gay


7 posted on 08/03/2013 7:21:21 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: All

and, since the media hates anyone who stands for law and order, over the years Hollywood has thrown in digs about him.
I remember an episode of Seinfeld when georges’ mother walks in on Kramer putting a man bra on georges’ father (only Kramer could pull something like that off), and Estelle says “he’s walking around like j edgar hoover”.


8 posted on 08/03/2013 7:24:17 PM PDT by willywill
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To: Revolting cat!
Hoover, ever concerned about enemies against him, would only venture into the public with a disguise. Here he is in court...


9 posted on 08/03/2013 7:24:47 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: SeekAndFind

I know the history of this term, heard it a long time ago among the homoes, used humourously, I might add, yet the invention, so to speak, of this term for everyday use occurred not more than 30 years ago. My point stands.


10 posted on 08/03/2013 7:25:24 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!

OK, would the word — “homosexual” be more descriptive?


11 posted on 08/03/2013 7:26:46 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Hoover may not have been a closet case or cross dresser but he certainly was not a ladies man, either. Is there really such a thing as an asexual guy? Perhaps. Another asexual guy becoming so close to another asexual guy like Clyde Tolson? If I were a betting man I’d put money on Hoover and Tolson being repressed homosexuals or romantically involved closet cases (and I’m not a communist).


12 posted on 08/03/2013 7:29:54 PM PDT by AtlasStalled
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To: SeekAndFind

Did you get spanked for changing the original title and violating the forum rules? The word ‘gay’, by the way, appears in the article once, and then in double quotes.


13 posted on 08/03/2013 7:31:04 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes. Neo-Nazis and mob bosses also spread that myth.


14 posted on 08/03/2013 7:31:16 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: SeekAndFind

A mean nasty communist plot to smear Hoover? I can see why the communists would have wanted to smear him; I also have a very difficult time writing off all the stories as total fabrications.


15 posted on 08/03/2013 7:33:14 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Revolting cat!

***...yet the invention, so to speak, of this term for everyday use occurred not more than 30 years ago.****

I remember seeing an old, old clip from some b&w Cary Grant movie in which he is asked why he is in a woman’s housecoat. He jumps and yells, “Ive suddenly gone GAY!”

The clip was from 60-70 years ago.


16 posted on 08/03/2013 7:33:24 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

And you know very well that nobody outside of fag ridden Hollywood understood the implication!


17 posted on 08/03/2013 7:34:58 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Unfortunately, most people (including conservatives) have swallowed the malicious bilge the Left has used against Hoover, just as they once did McCarthy.


18 posted on 08/03/2013 7:37:14 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I never could picture J Edgar Hoover in drag, but one rumor had it that he used to stand in front of a mirror and sing "Bye Bye Birdie", if this is him in the video, he did a really good job.
19 posted on 08/03/2013 7:38:05 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Revolting cat!

The term goes way back.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Year-Michael-Jean-Forrest/dp/B0007FOGLW#reader_B00CNWCCT0


20 posted on 08/03/2013 7:41:02 PM PDT by stormer
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To: SeekAndFind

I actually heard two KGB agents who helped spread those stories. The reason was simple. J. Edgar Hoover was the main force opposing them inside the country.

They went into some detail and it was obvious to them that their job would be ridiculously easy. The American media just couldn’t wait to attack Hoover in any way they could.


21 posted on 08/03/2013 7:42:54 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: SeekAndFind
B T T T ! ! ! ©

22 posted on 08/03/2013 7:43:01 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: yarddog

Commies find their biggest opponents in the other country and go after them. North Korea’s most hated South Korean is not the President, it usually a defense chief or something


23 posted on 08/03/2013 7:44:36 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: SeekAndFind
Deja vie (sic!) (sic = intentional, Capt. Obvious) all over again! There was a fool here sometime a long time ago, who when I suggested that the proper term is 'pederast', argued with me that pederast = pedophile (it does in one of its two meanings), and that 'gay' is in fact the proper term to describe homosexuals.

If you are old enough, you'll remember when during the 1980s, lesbos started adopting the term 'gay' for their carpet munching activities, and the male pederasts loudly objected to that attempt to invade their monopoly. In time, they lost, and the fools who accept this and other such euphemisms without question, now refer to both lesbos and poofters as 'gay'. You cannot argue, sorry, that 'gay' as referred to Hillary and her kind, dates back to the XIXth (sic) century.

24 posted on 08/03/2013 7:44:52 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: SeekAndFind

They mention about Dorothy in J Edgar Hoover movie direct by Clint Eastwood

They mention her in middle part of the movie


25 posted on 08/03/2013 7:46:01 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: AtlasStalled

I think you’re pretty close to the truth.


26 posted on 08/03/2013 7:56:54 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Revolting cat!

RE: Did you get spanked for changing the original title and violating the forum rules?

Not sure what the rule is. Sometimes, the mod allows editorializing placed in parenthesis, sometimes, they take it out.

I don’t think it has anything to do with my use of the word — gay. Everyone today knows what it means IN CONTEXT.


27 posted on 08/03/2013 8:06:48 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Paladin2

Amazing how the left doesnt mention him now...


28 posted on 08/03/2013 8:49:54 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Paladin2
J. Edgar Hoover rejected additional powers which FDR wanted him to take during World War II saying America does not need a Gestapo.

He was the rare type of truly devoted public servant which comes around once in a generation.

Hoover didn't discriminate among white men or black men. He wanted good men. He wanted men who were good for his agency and his country.

I attended a class by W. Cleon Skousen once when I was young. Skousen, who authored the epic book The Naked Communist had spent a good part of his career working for Hoover. He had nothing but respect for him.

J.Edgar Hoover was not fond of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and never trusted his motives, another reason the left loathed him. But he resolved to bust the Klan after those church bombings which killed the little black girls in the 1960s.

It was Hoover who sent FBI agents to infiltrate and bust the KKK once and for all. His program was so successful that the FBI continued it long after Hoover's death. His successors were glad to take credit for the results.

Sometime in the late 1980s the program finally ended because it was discovered that the only thing keeping the KKK going were the dues from the FBI infiltrators.

29 posted on 08/03/2013 8:50:11 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind
Hoover didn't discriminate among white men or black men. He wanted good men. He wanted men who were good for his agency and his country.

Unlike the current occupant of the White House.

30 posted on 08/03/2013 8:52:35 PM PDT by Slyfox (Without the Right to Life, all other rights are meaningless.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Once you use the euphemism, you have lost the argument before it started. Why? Because who, what ‘good person’, could be against ‘gaiety’, ‘choice’, ‘social justice, ‘peace’?! Are you for war? The Left uses the language skillfully, and the Right is as always clueless. Don’t kid yourself, the front of the culture war is in the sphere of language. Because language affects, defines even, perceptions!


31 posted on 08/03/2013 8:53:40 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hoover hated Commies.

That is enough for me.

I remember G. Gordon Liddy talking reverently about him. That reinforces my respect for Hoover.

Can you imagine what Hoover would have done to expose Obozo??


32 posted on 08/03/2013 8:56:20 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
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To: Paladin2

I think Clint got in right in his movie and there were plenty of witnesses and photos of his almost spousal relationship with his male assistant.


33 posted on 08/03/2013 8:58:27 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: yarddog

Problem was, there was something to spread! and the FBI should never have been formed at all.


34 posted on 08/03/2013 8:59:43 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: laplata

Yep. His apologists can rationalize it anyway they want, but his relationship with Tolson was unnatural.


35 posted on 08/03/2013 9:01:51 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: tumblindice

Yep. His apologists can rationalize it anyway they want, but his relationship with Tolson was unnatural.


He would be sick if he could see the cancer infesting our White House and Federal Government today.


36 posted on 08/03/2013 9:11:01 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have always considered J. Edgar Hoover a hero—who rounded up the gangsters, rolled up the Nazi spy rings and emasculated the Communist Party, USA.


37 posted on 08/03/2013 9:16:04 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Standing Wolf
I also have a very difficult time writing off all the stories as total fabrications.

The stories about Hoover's supposed homosexuality are a total fabrication. His legacy has become the victim of the Big Lie technique--a falsehood repeated over and over until it comes to be widely believed.

38 posted on 08/03/2013 9:20:30 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: laplata

Eisenhower was so concerned about homos in governments and their vulnerability to be blackmailed—the ‘lavender scare—that in ‘53 he got Congress to pass a law prohibiting homosexuals from federal employment.
An irony was that one of the prime movers behind it was McCarthy’s head commie-hunter, a youthful Roy Cohn who was probably carrying on with another investigator, David Schine. Cohn died in the ‘80s at age 59 of AIDS.
So the more things may seem to change, the more they remain the same. But yeah you’re right: the fags and dykes are crawling out of the woodwork now.


39 posted on 08/03/2013 9:27:23 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks SeekAndFind.


40 posted on 08/03/2013 10:06:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Paladin2

He did a lot of spying on whoever the higher ups wanted him to spy on in my opinion.

Hoover was a big anti-communist and the Left has been paying him back with the gay story.

Back in the mid 1950’s there was a “Joe McCarthy is gay” story being bandied about.


41 posted on 08/03/2013 10:08:55 PM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: tumblindice

Thanks for the refresher.

And Bobby Kennedy was tied in there, too. The libs conveniently forget that.


42 posted on 08/03/2013 10:09:16 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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43 posted on 08/03/2013 10:13:08 PM PDT by narses
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To: SeekAndFind

I never thought he was a fag and I just had a hard time seeing how he could advance up through the ranks of the FBI if he was. That shit wasn’t tolerated. Whats the time line of the stories of him being gay or cross dressing? Seems to me it started in the early sixties.I just don’t buy it.


44 posted on 08/03/2013 10:14:56 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Revolting cat!
Once you use the euphemism, you have lost the argument before it started. Why? Because who, what ‘good person’, could be against ‘gaiety’, ‘choice’, ‘social justice, ‘peace’?!... Don’t kid yourself, the front of the culture war is in the sphere of language. Because language affects, defines even, perceptions!

That's sticking the dagger into the heart of the matter.

Who has led the charge of subverting the language? Academia AND the Media. 95% of both have been hijacked by Commies/Fascists/homosexuals, perverts, freaks, and God-less secular humanists.

"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" ~ Isaiah 5:20

45 posted on 08/03/2013 10:27:31 PM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: SeekAndFind
it start when, some wash-up drunken mobster girlfriend made the claim in
the 60s...the Communist media started to parrot the accusation.

46 posted on 08/03/2013 10:31:01 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: SeekAndFind

So JE Hoover was a friend of Dorothy.


47 posted on 08/04/2013 12:11:14 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools - Solon, Lawmaker of Athens)
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To: Fiji Hill
The stories about Hoover's supposed homosexuality are a total fabrication. His legacy has become the victim of the Big Lie technique--a falsehood repeated over and over until it comes to be widely believed.

I've been hearing such assertions for years; mysteriously, however, only F, B, and I people ever have anything good to say about Hoover, and stranger still, even they can't explain how such a supposedly wonderful man managed to stoop to such depths of blackmail, law breaking, dealing in dirty secrets, and the like. "Shut up!" they shout. "It was all just a big lie! Now, shut up!"

48 posted on 08/04/2013 1:18:04 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: SeekAndFind

So glad to read this.


49 posted on 08/04/2013 5:36:43 AM PDT by b9 (II Timothy 1:7)
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To: yarddog

I remember hearing Billy Graham in the 1960s in a sermon quoting J. Edgar Hoover; that’s how universally admired Hoover was then. Wasn’t LBJ Hoover’s favorite president? He did not vote until 1964, when DC got presidential electors.


50 posted on 08/04/2013 5:43:24 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Mitt and the grand poo-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!")
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