Skip to comments.More Fast and Furious guns surface at crimes in Mexico
Posted on 08/14/2013 10:14:26 AM PDT by don-o
Three more weapons from Fast and Furious have turned up at crime scenes in Mexico, CBS News has learned, as the toll from the controversial federal operation grows.
According to Justice Department tracing documents obtained by CBS News, all three guns are WASR-10 762-caliber Romanian rifles. Two were purchased by Fast and Furious suspect Uriel Patino in May and July of 2010. Sean Steward, who was convicted on gun charges in July 2012, purchased a third. The rifles were traced yesterday to the Lone Wolf gun shop in Glendale, Ariz.
The government first denied any guns had been allowed to "walk" into criminal hands. Later, the Justice Department acknowledged using the strategy, claiming it was intended to see where the weapons ended up in hopes of capturing a major cartel leader. But the agency ordered an immediate halt to the practice calling it highly improper.
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At leats Boeing and Airbus will see an increase in replacement sales.
Don’t forget... it’s a PHONY scandal.
The unfortunate consequences of this will unfold for years to come. Hands down the most idiotic program ever. The guns supposedly were allowed to walk in the hope of bringing federal agents to cartel leaders. Two problems. First, there was no tracking device on the guns, and they only would be uncovered after their use at crime scenes. Second, high-level leaders aren’t doing a lot of the shooting, and the guns would mostly be in the possession of expendable soldiers who these days often are just idiotic teenagers. The whole so-called premise of the program doesn’t even make sense from its inception.
Republicans in Congress will immediately hold more hearings and look grouchy and upset!
This is false. There was never any attempt to trace the guns under F&F. That was merely the cover story.
But the agency ordered an immediate halt to the practice calling it highly improper.
Only once they had been caught red handed. Bush did ground Operation Wide Receiver when they lost track of one (1) shipment, but that had nothing to do with Fast & Furious.
Typical See-BS "News."
The US Congress and Holder now repeatedly
give al Qaeda (the Enemy from the 911 Atrocities)
SAMs, and MANPADs and intel and wide-open borders.
Oh, here they come now:
Sure. After how many thousands sold into Mexico?
And what no one talks about in the press, how many more thousands into Honduras?
I supposed it all depends on how you define "immediate" to a bovine and incurious media.
Actually, Sharyl Atkisson has been good on FF and Benghazi. I understand the dismissal of any story from the msm, but I also believe in giving credit when it's due.
Who else is going to keep the phoney scandals ginned up?
“There was never any attempt to trace the guns under F&F. That was merely the cover story.”
And a pretty lame one at that.
What really annoys me about this is, if Mexico was not so interested in exporting their leaches to the US and therefore in no mood to upset the Obama apple cart, they would be complaining about this 24/7 on the international stage. No, because it would hurt the immigration changes they want, they are willing to look the other way over a matter orchestrated by two senior US government officians to ship weapons to their homeland now used to murder their civilians.
It does if the end objective was to attack the 2nd Amendment.
“It does if the end objective was to attack the 2nd Amendment.”
I hate to think that our government can be so sinister but I really think that our government can be so sinister. The program simply defies its own purported logic.
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Don’t forget domestic sales
Update: F&F vanguard blogger David Codrea has another investigative scoop with extensive documents on how ATF/FBI directed Indiana crime gun sales to U.S. street gangs.
Mike Vanderboegh of Sipsey Street Irregulars wants to know what Chicago ATF head Andrew Traver knows. (My background column on Traver is here.)
That story was stomped on very early but here’s a question;
Anybody familiar with the Folks and the People?
Here’s a push.
But when dealing with leftists who believe the end justifies the means, sinister is the least of our worries on it.
It is what has not yet come to light that is even more troubling.
And, obviously, there’s more to come to light.
Look at Benghazi and the weapon running to Syrian Al-Qeada they were doing from there.
She's atypical See-BS "News."
They were complaining about it 24/7 when it looked like this was leading to a major lawsuit against US gun manufacturers. Holder of course was encouraging them to do just that.
Then the whole thing blew up and they went quiet once it was clear that Obama was behind it. Weird.
“It does if the end objective was to attack the 2nd Amendment.”
That would be in response to making sense, and that’s why I believe that in the early stages, the stages of the conceptualization by the Obama Administration of this fiasco that the original scenario was out of Hillary’s head. I’ve posted that before, but been a long time ago.
The program, the Fast & Furious program seems to never have progressed from conceptualization to planning, or it would have been dumped, and that’s another reason I believe it was a scenario of someone very high up in the Democrat heirarchy the peons wanted to please. Again I think it was Hillary. So stupid it had to be Hillary.
mexicans getting killed by democrats and their actions
I guarentee you that the gun-walker program NEVER stopped. It would be one-hundred-percent out of character for Obama to stop a practice when caught. From my observations, he always doubles-down.
Complete with phony crimes and phony dead people.
No, it doesn’t make sense, if you go that route. But what if the whole plan was to claim that lax gun control laws caused the murders in Mexico and then call for more gun control. It would have worked if we didn’t have whistle blowers in the ATF.
Imagine the uproar had Brian Terry been killed with a weapon sold during the BUSH Administration to the cartels. We’d still be hearing the drumbeat of “Justice for Brian.”
It makes sense. It was discussed here quite a lot.
The sense is that it was to be linked to gun shops and shows in the USA, thereby providing impetus to close down shops and shows and pass strict gun control legislation. It was a trial run that went badly when it was revealed that persons inside the government cooked up the idea from the gitgo.
Look at the article.....Romanian rifles. Holder wanted Romanian rifles bought at gun shops and walked into Mexico where they were to be used to kill people and Americans. What went wrong is someone leaked that it was DOJ’s deal.
F&F was and is all about dismantling the 2nd Amendment.
Think, Strategic Communications!
From wiki; “Strategic communication management could be defined as the systematic planning and realization of information flow, communication, media development and image care in a long-term horizon. It conveys deliberate message(s) through the most suitable media to the designated audience(s) at the appropriate time to contribute to and achieve the desired long-term effect. Communication management is process creation. It has to bring three factors into balance: the message(s), the media channel(s) and the audience(s).”
At that time, Denis McDonough was Zer0’s head of Strategic Communications....that's right...the same Denis McDonough who was in the center of the goings on at the WH during the 9/11/12 Benghazi attack.
Only Mexicans were hurt this time, and they wouldn’t have benefited from amnesty, because they hadn’t snuck over the border (yet?). So there’s nothing to see here. Move along.
The “never stopped” part is most likely true. Remember that early on the ATF acknowledged having ten million $ to run the F&F program with. The 2,000+ guns that we know about would not have put a dent in that. It seems to me that the Fedz were actually making a profit on the gun sales: If they were buying them for the dealers and the dealers were then selling them on the high side of the normal market they might have been making 1,000$ / gun.
No wonder Obamuzzie had money to buy ManpadZ from the Libyas?
Dont forget... its a PHONY scandal.
Someone called someone on the Phone in the commision of this scandal...
Haven’t you heard? Bush started this program. Well, that’s the lie that is told everytime the program is mentioned and the liar is never called on it.
No, our government is that sinister.
Rotten and corrupt to the friggin core.
Have remained on point. Not wavering. The “scandals of Obama” began with F&F. People died on both sided of the border and more are being killed all the time.
Sick of Issa’s pussy footing around.
- Is the Rodeo Clown still up in Cape Cod?
I believe the only reason for F&F was to allow guns to kill Mexicans and Americans so that their governments would call for widespread gun control.
Which is what they did.
Ho hum ... no one gives a RAT’s arse it seems. Issa will be holding hearings until the next century yet make no progress. F&F is his tar baby.
“What Difference Does it Make?”
Nothing compared SA-7&Hellfire missiles by Barry Ben Ghazi.
Hillary on NIXON. “What did the president know and when did he know it”
Hillary on Benghazi. “What difference does it make”