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More Fast and Furious guns surface at crimes in Mexico
CBS ^ | August 14, 2013 | Sharyl Attkisson

Posted on 08/14/2013 10:14:26 AM PDT by don-o

Three more weapons from Fast and Furious have turned up at crime scenes in Mexico, CBS News has learned, as the toll from the controversial federal operation grows.

According to Justice Department tracing documents obtained by CBS News, all three guns are WASR-10 762-caliber Romanian rifles. Two were purchased by Fast and Furious suspect Uriel Patino in May and July of 2010. Sean Steward, who was convicted on gun charges in July 2012, purchased a third. The rifles were traced yesterday to the Lone Wolf gun shop in Glendale, Ariz.

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The government first denied any guns had been allowed to "walk" into criminal hands. Later, the Justice Department acknowledged using the strategy, claiming it was intended to see where the weapons ended up in hopes of capturing a major cartel leader. But the agency ordered an immediate halt to the practice calling it highly improper.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events
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1 posted on 08/14/2013 10:14:26 AM PDT by don-o
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To: don-o
The program has moved on to bigger and broader scope. Now it's shoulder fired anti aircraft missiles around the globe. Benghazi and Obama will be the gift that keeps giving for decades.

At leats Boeing and Airbus will see an increase in replacement sales.

2 posted on 08/14/2013 10:18:35 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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Don’t forget... it’s a PHONY scandal.


3 posted on 08/14/2013 10:20:03 AM PDT by Rio
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To: don-o

The unfortunate consequences of this will unfold for years to come. Hands down the most idiotic program ever. The guns supposedly were allowed to walk in the hope of bringing federal agents to cartel leaders. Two problems. First, there was no tracking device on the guns, and they only would be uncovered after their use at crime scenes. Second, high-level leaders aren’t doing a lot of the shooting, and the guns would mostly be in the possession of expendable soldiers who these days often are just idiotic teenagers. The whole so-called premise of the program doesn’t even make sense from its inception.


4 posted on 08/14/2013 10:20:11 AM PDT by AtlasStalled
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To: don-o

Republicans in Congress will immediately hold more hearings and look grouchy and upset!


5 posted on 08/14/2013 10:22:16 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: don-o
The government first denied any guns had been allowed to "walk" into criminal hands. Later, the Justice Department acknowledged using the strategy, claiming it was intended to see where the weapons ended up in hopes of capturing a major cartel leader.

This is false. There was never any attempt to trace the guns under F&F. That was merely the cover story.

But the agency ordered an immediate halt to the practice calling it highly improper.

Only once they had been caught red handed. Bush did ground Operation Wide Receiver when they lost track of one (1) shipment, but that had nothing to do with Fast & Furious.

Typical See-BS "News."

6 posted on 08/14/2013 10:23:45 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: don-o
So why is this even "news"?

The US Congress and Holder now repeatedly
give al Qaeda (the Enemy from the 911 Atrocities)
SAMs, and MANPADs and intel and wide-open borders.

Oh, here they come now:

7 posted on 08/14/2013 10:24:01 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: don-o
But the agency ordered an immediate halt to the practice calling it highly improper.

Sure. After how many thousands sold into Mexico?

And what no one talks about in the press, how many more thousands into Honduras?

I supposed it all depends on how you define "immediate" to a bovine and incurious media.

8 posted on 08/14/2013 10:24:19 AM PDT by marron
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To: Carry_Okie
Typical See-BS "News."

Actually, Sharyl Atkisson has been good on FF and Benghazi. I understand the dismissal of any story from the msm, but I also believe in giving credit when it's due.

Who else is going to keep the phoney scandals ginned up?

9 posted on 08/14/2013 10:28:31 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Carry_Okie

“There was never any attempt to trace the guns under F&F. That was merely the cover story.”

And a pretty lame one at that.


10 posted on 08/14/2013 10:32:09 AM PDT by AtlasStalled
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To: don-o

ping


11 posted on 08/14/2013 10:36:40 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: AtlasStalled

What really annoys me about this is, if Mexico was not so interested in exporting their leaches to the US and therefore in no mood to upset the Obama apple cart, they would be complaining about this 24/7 on the international stage. No, because it would hurt the immigration changes they want, they are willing to look the other way over a matter orchestrated by two senior US government officians to ship weapons to their homeland now used to murder their civilians.


12 posted on 08/14/2013 10:38:47 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Nachum

Ping.


13 posted on 08/14/2013 10:38:49 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: AtlasStalled

It does if the end objective was to attack the 2nd Amendment.


14 posted on 08/14/2013 10:39:30 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Darksheare

“It does if the end objective was to attack the 2nd Amendment.”

I hate to think that our government can be so sinister but I really think that our government can be so sinister. The program simply defies its own purported logic.


15 posted on 08/14/2013 10:42:39 AM PDT by AtlasStalled
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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16 posted on 08/14/2013 10:43:42 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: marron

Don’t forget domestic sales

From http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2774568/posts

Update: F&F vanguard blogger David Codrea has another investigative scoop with extensive documents on how ATF/FBI directed Indiana crime gun sales to U.S. street gangs.

Mike Vanderboegh of Sipsey Street Irregulars wants to know what Chicago ATF head Andrew Traver knows. (My background column on Traver is here.)

That story was stomped on very early but here’s a question;

Anybody familiar with the Folks and the People?

Here’s a push.

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/gangs/sets4.html


17 posted on 08/14/2013 10:44:27 AM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: AtlasStalled

I know.
But when dealing with leftists who believe the end justifies the means, sinister is the least of our worries on it.
It is what has not yet come to light that is even more troubling.
And, obviously, there’s more to come to light.
Look at Benghazi and the weapon running to Syrian Al-Qeada they were doing from there.


18 posted on 08/14/2013 10:45:17 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: don-o
Actually, Sharyl Atkisson has been good on FF and Benghazi

She's atypical See-BS "News."

19 posted on 08/14/2013 10:46:37 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: Mouton
they would be complaining about this 24/7 on the international stage.

They were complaining about it 24/7 when it looked like this was leading to a major lawsuit against US gun manufacturers. Holder of course was encouraging them to do just that.

Then the whole thing blew up and they went quiet once it was clear that Obama was behind it. Weird.

20 posted on 08/14/2013 10:53:13 AM PDT by marron
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To: MestaMachine

ping


21 posted on 08/14/2013 11:08:00 AM PDT by thouworm (A lawless oligarchy has replaced our Constitution-based govt. Their motto: Catch us if you can.)
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To: Darksheare

“It does if the end objective was to attack the 2nd Amendment.”

That would be in response to making sense, and that’s why I believe that in the early stages, the stages of the conceptualization by the Obama Administration of this fiasco that the original scenario was out of Hillary’s head. I’ve posted that before, but been a long time ago.

The program, the Fast & Furious program seems to never have progressed from conceptualization to planning, or it would have been dumped, and that’s another reason I believe it was a scenario of someone very high up in the Democrat heirarchy the peons wanted to please. Again I think it was Hillary. So stupid it had to be Hillary.


22 posted on 08/14/2013 11:12:03 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: rockinqsranch

Probably.


23 posted on 08/14/2013 11:13:39 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: don-o

mexicans getting killed by democrats and their actions

nobody cares


24 posted on 08/14/2013 11:15:22 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: don-o

I guarentee you that the gun-walker program NEVER stopped. It would be one-hundred-percent out of character for Obama to stop a practice when caught. From my observations, he always doubles-down.


25 posted on 08/14/2013 11:21:29 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Rio

Complete with phony crimes and phony dead people.


26 posted on 08/14/2013 11:28:56 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: AtlasStalled

No, it doesn’t make sense, if you go that route. But what if the whole plan was to claim that lax gun control laws caused the murders in Mexico and then call for more gun control. It would have worked if we didn’t have whistle blowers in the ATF.


27 posted on 08/14/2013 11:32:38 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: don-o

Imagine the uproar had Brian Terry been killed with a weapon sold during the BUSH Administration to the cartels. We’d still be hearing the drumbeat of “Justice for Brian.”


28 posted on 08/14/2013 11:36:29 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If you don't care about Antonio Santiago, sure as hell don't whine about Trayvon Martin.)
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To: AtlasStalled

It makes sense. It was discussed here quite a lot.

The sense is that it was to be linked to gun shops and shows in the USA, thereby providing impetus to close down shops and shows and pass strict gun control legislation. It was a trial run that went badly when it was revealed that persons inside the government cooked up the idea from the gitgo.

Look at the article.....Romanian rifles. Holder wanted Romanian rifles bought at gun shops and walked into Mexico where they were to be used to kill people and Americans. What went wrong is someone leaked that it was DOJ’s deal.

F&F was and is all about dismantling the 2nd Amendment.


29 posted on 08/14/2013 12:05:36 PM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: rockinqsranch
Press release from the ATF shortly (1-2 weeks) before Hillary's trip to Mexico where she voiced the 90% myth

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-03-18-cartelguns_N.htm

Think, Strategic Communications!

From wiki; “Strategic communication management could be defined as the systematic planning and realization of information flow, communication, media development and image care in a long-term horizon. It conveys deliberate message(s) through the most suitable media to the designated audience(s) at the appropriate time to contribute to and achieve the desired long-term effect. Communication management is process creation. It has to bring three factors into balance: the message(s), the media channel(s) and the audience(s).[2]”

At that time, Denis McDonough was Zer0’s head of Strategic Communications....that's right...the same Denis McDonough who was in the center of the goings on at the WH during the 9/11/12 Benghazi attack.

30 posted on 08/14/2013 12:30:25 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: Rio

Only Mexicans were hurt this time, and they wouldn’t have benefited from amnesty, because they hadn’t snuck over the border (yet?). So there’s nothing to see here. Move along.


31 posted on 08/14/2013 12:44:57 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Lazamataz

The “never stopped” part is most likely true. Remember that early on the ATF acknowledged having ten million $ to run the F&F program with. The 2,000+ guns that we know about would not have put a dent in that. It seems to me that the Fedz were actually making a profit on the gun sales: If they were buying them for the dealers and the dealers were then selling them on the high side of the normal market they might have been making 1,000$ / gun.

No wonder Obamuzzie had money to buy ManpadZ from the Libyas?


32 posted on 08/14/2013 12:48:16 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Rio

Don’t forget... it’s a PHONY scandal.

Someone called someone on the Phone in the commision of this scandal...


33 posted on 08/14/2013 1:00:02 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: ScottinVA
Imagine the uproar had Brian Terry and Jamie Zapata been killed with a weapon sold during the BUSH Administration to the cartels.


34 posted on 08/14/2013 1:23:42 PM PDT by spokeshave
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To: AtlasStalled

Haven’t you heard? Bush started this program. Well, that’s the lie that is told everytime the program is mentioned and the liar is never called on it.


35 posted on 08/14/2013 3:30:28 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (When you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil.)
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36 posted on 08/14/2013 4:25:11 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: AtlasStalled
I hate to think that our government can be so sinister but I really think that our government can be so sinister.

No, our government is that sinister.

Rotten and corrupt to the friggin core.

37 posted on 08/14/2013 4:42:37 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: don-o

Have remained on point. Not wavering. The “scandals of Obama” began with F&F. People died on both sided of the border and more are being killed all the time.

Sick of Issa’s pussy footing around.


38 posted on 08/14/2013 4:48:32 PM PDT by halfright (FAST & FURIOUS! DON'T ALLOW THEM TO DIVERT YOUR ATTENTION.)
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To: blackdog

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- Is the Rodeo Clown still up in Cape Cod?

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39 posted on 08/14/2013 5:42:59 PM PDT by devolve (----- ----- ----- it not unlegal iffen I do*s it ----- ----- -----)
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To: don-o

I believe the only reason for F&F was to allow guns to kill Mexicans and Americans so that their governments would call for widespread gun control.

Which is what they did.


40 posted on 08/14/2013 7:41:59 PM PDT by Wisconsinlady (AMNESTY BY ANY OTHER NAME IS STILL A PIG WITH LIPSTICK)
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To: don-o

Ho hum ... no one gives a RAT’s arse it seems. Issa will be holding hearings until the next century yet make no progress. F&F is his tar baby.


41 posted on 08/14/2013 7:45:35 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("When there is no penalty for failure, failures proliferate." George F. Will)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks don-o.


42 posted on 08/14/2013 7:57:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: don-o

BTTT!


43 posted on 08/14/2013 8:13:51 PM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: spokeshave

“What Difference Does it Make?”


44 posted on 08/14/2013 8:32:09 PM PDT by kempster
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To: don-o

Nothing compared SA-7&Hellfire missiles by Barry Ben Ghazi.


45 posted on 08/15/2013 2:15:04 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: kempster

Hillary on NIXON. “What did the president know and when did he know it”

Hillary on Benghazi. “What difference does it make”


46 posted on 08/17/2013 9:19:50 AM PDT by bkaycee (John 3:16)
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To: don-o
Bttt.

5.56mm

47 posted on 08/18/2013 11:49:52 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: don-o
Bttt.

5.56mm

48 posted on 08/18/2013 11:50:02 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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