Muslim Brotherhood must be removed like Nazis, Egypt's ambassador to Britain says

telegraph.co.uk ^ | 8/19/2013 | Damien McElroy

[Rusty0604]

Christianity was the religion of the vast majority from 400–800 A.D. and the majority after the Muslim conquest until the mid-10th century [13] and remains the faith of a significant minority population. Historically they spoke the Coptic language, a direct descendant of the Demotic Egyptian spoken in the Roman era, but it has been near-extinct and mostly limited to liturgical use since the 18th century. They now speak Arabic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copt

[Rusty0604]

Christianity was the religion of the vast majority from 400–800 A.D. and the majority after the Muslim conquest until the mid-10th century [13] and remains the faith of a significant minority population. Historically they spoke the Coptic language, a direct descendant of the Demotic Egyptian spoken in the Roman era, but it has been near-extinct and mostly limited to liturgical use since the 18th century. They now speak Arabic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copt

[Squawk 8888]

[nathanbedford]

A couple of recent stories have caused me to reconsider my assumptions about the Muslim Brotherhood and especially Barak Obama's unaccountably solicitous attitude toward this terrorist organization.

The first headline says that the Egyptian military might very well have been motivated to move against the Morsi government and against the demonstrations which occurred after the coup because the Muslim Brotherhood was setting up an independent army and an independent secret police force which quite clearly represented an existential threat not just to the primacy of the military in Egypt but to the very lives of its commanders. They had to act to protect their very lives. They could not have been unaware of the fate of generals after the Iranian revolution.

The second headline says that the Saudi's will step into the breach and cover any gap in financial aid to the Egyptian military created by a possible suspension of American military aid. Why would the Saudis do this? Why would they favor the Egyptian military over the the Muslim brotherhood?

Let's change the way we look at these developments in the Muslim world and at the same time let's consider how Obama looks at these developments and let's try to see that world through his eyes instead of through our prism in which we see the world in terms of a threat to our national interests or not. We do not know for sure if Obama shares the Muslim faith. We do know that he has very deep ties which go back to his education in a Muslim school as a Muslim in Indonesia. We know that he traveled to Pakistan with Muslims, perhaps on a homosexual holiday, perhaps for some other motivation. We know that he was sponsored into Harvard Law School by his connections to a Saudi Prince who pulled strings to gain his admittance. We know that Obama bowed deep to the Saudi King.

Are these ties spiritual or are they ideological? In other words, is Obama a Muslim or is he a Marxist whose ideology for the moment connects him intimately with Islam? I simply cannot answer whether he is a closet Muslim but it is clear that he is a Marxist. How would a Marxist look at the struggle between the Muslim Brotherhood and the rule of military in Egypt? I think he would look at it the same way a Marxist looks at the struggles in a Latin American country in which you have on the one hand a fascist style dictatorship and on the other hand a leftist revolutionary insurgency. The examples of Latin America are numerous. We saw how the left acted in Nicaragua and we certainly saw how Obama reacted to the coup in Guatemala. He acted to support a Marxist dictator.

A Marxist would look of the Muslim Brotherhood as a heroic insurgency against a fascist puppet of an imperialistic United States; he would react viscerally to the close relationship between the American military and the Egyptian military. He would not measure The Muslim Brotherhood in terms of a threat to America's national interests so much as he would judge it in accordance with Marxist doctrine. If the American commander-in-chief must implement American foreign policy and choose between The Muslim Brotherhood and the Egyptian military, the choice would seem to me to be easy, a commander-in-chief would consider that the American national interest is best served by the Egyptian military and that the Muslim Brotherhood is threatening to establish a caliphate running from China in a giant arc all away along the shores of the Mediterranean to the Atlantic. The Muslim Brotherhood is expressly an enemy of the United States but the Egyptian military has kept faith with its treaty commitments and has refrained from attacking Israel. The Muslim Brotherhood is disrupting Iraqi and Afghanistan and waging Civil War in Syria and no doubt murdered our ambassador in Benghazi. The choice should be easy but for Barak Obama but it is not. He dithers.

Does this Marxist view of the Muslim Brotherhood explain the intimacies which are encouraged inside the walls of the White House itself by granting these terrorists extraordinary access? Does it explain the heavy infiltration in the administration of members of the Muslim Brotherhood? Does it explain the existence of Hillary Clinton's Chief of Staff, the daughter of a mover and shaker in the Muslim Brotherhood? What is the significance of the biography of Valerie Jarrett, born in Iran? She too is a Marxist but where lie her sympathies toward Islam?

How would Frank Marshall Davis, a committed communist and mentor of Barack Obama, look at the Muslim Brotherhood, would he see it otherwise than how Brack Obama apparently sees the Muslim Brotherhood?

But what of Obama's ties to the Saudis? How can they be explained on purely Marxist terms? They are after all a plutocracy, a ruling elite, and exploiter of other tribes and races, classically hostile to women, homosexuals, atheists and even secularists. They are reflexively anti-Communist. How is it that Obama would have a decades long intimate financial relationship with them and what does it do to the thesis that he supports the Muslim Brotherhood as a Marxist would?

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[rightwingcrazy]

This guy speaks with too much common sense. I wonder what it will cost them to buy him over to the Dark Side.

[HANG THE EXPENSE]

Cant disagree with the ambassador,nope not one bit.

[RoosterRedux]

The Egyptian military's rejection of the Muslim Brotherhood has exposed an ideological conflict in Obama and in the pro-muslim politicians in the UK and Europe. Do they support moderate muslims or the radicals? Of course, so far, they appear to support the MB radicals.

The Egyptian military has shown the world that even those in the muslim world reject certain "ambitious" proponents of islam like the MB.

Yet so far, Obama and the UK and other muslim fan-bois in Europe are picking the wrong horse by continuing to support the MB...and it will interesting to see if this rift causes any dislocation between Obama and his Arab allies.

We have already seen one development: Obama's purported benefactor Prince Alwaleed, "has fired a renowned Kuwaiti preacher and motivational speaker from the top job at the religious television channel he owns for what he described as “extremist inclinations” and links to the Muslim Brotherhood."

I wonder what the Prince thinks of Obama now?

If the enemy of my enemy is my friend? Does that make the new friend of my enemy (who used to be my friend) now my enemy?

I guess we'll have to stay tuned to find out.

[nathanbedford]

If the enemy of my enemy is my friend? Does that make the new friend of my enemy (who used to be my friend) now my enemy?

You gotta love the irony, if Obama is both a Marxist and a Muslim, even an Islamicist, but with deep ties to the Royal Wahabbis, he is in a schizophrenic fix indeed.

[GreyHoundSailor]

Having spent time in the region, I found it interesting that Erdoğan (Turkey) and Morsi spent a significant amount of time together during the run-up to the election. They even visited Qatar together, since that country bankrolls the Muslim Brotherhood. The Turks attempted to ‘tutor’ the MB on how to slowly consolidate power, pack the courts, and emasculate the military through fictitious 'plots' , but apparently the MB had neither the patience nor the desire to learn from their example. The Turkish lessons certainly weren’t lost on the Egyptian military though; they could easily see themselves in the same position (prison) as their counterparts in Turkey in a year or two. The former Chief of Staff of the Turkish military (Gen Ilker Basbug) was sentenced to life in prison earlier this month. Currently half of all Turkish Admirals and 20 percent of all Generals are spending their 'golden years' behind bars. If the actions in Egypt came as a surprise to anyone in DC, they should replace their Mid-East desk officers with folks who’ve spent more than one week in the country going to cocktail parties, which is exactly what the Puzzle Palace has for 'country experts'.

[SunkenCiv]

Rand Slams Congress for Funding Egypt’s Generals:
‘How Does Your Conscience Feel Now?’
Foreign Policy | 15 Aug 2013 | John Hudson
Posted on 08/15/2013 5:44:10 PM PDT by Hoodat
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3055253/posts

Sen. Rand Paul is hammering his fellow senators for keeping billions in financial aid flowing to Egypt’s military — even as Cairo’s security forces massacre anti-government activists.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks RoosterRedux.

[SunkenCiv]

http://www.varchive.org/obs/480223.htm

[SJackson]

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JIHAD'S NAZI CONNECTIONS
The Muslim groups which today threaten the West with terrorism, subversion and insurgency are not only “fascist” in the broad sociological sense, but can trace their literal historical origins to Nazism and its genocidal ambitions.    The ideology of the Islamists whose ranks today include not only al-Qaeda but also Hamas and Hezbollah, originated with Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood, which was founded in 1928 by Sheikh Hassan al-Banna. The Muslim Brotherhood finds not just its roots, but much of its symbolism, terminology, and political priorities deep within the heart of Nazi fascism.    For al-Banna, as for many other Muslims worldwide, the end of the caliphate, although brought about by secular Muslim Turks, was a sacrilege against Islam for which they blamed the non-Muslim West. It was to strike back against these evils that al-Banna founded the Muslim Brotherhood in 1928. Al-Banna’s antipathy towards Western modernity soon moved him to shape the Brotherhood into an organization seeking to check the secularist tendencies in Muslim society and return to traditional Islamic values. Al-Banna recruited followers from a vast cross-section of Egyptian society by addressing issues such as colonialism, public health, educational policy, natural resources management, social inequalities, Arab nationalism, and the weakness of the Islamic world. Among the perspectives he drew on to address these issues were the anti-capitalist doctrines of European Marxism and especially fascism.    As the Muslim Brotherhood expanded during the 1930s and extended its activities well beyond its original religious revivalism, al-Banna began dreaming a greater Muslim dream: the restoration of the Caliphate. He would describe, in inflammatory speeches, the horrors of hell expected for heretics, and consequently, the need for Muslims to return to their purest religious roots, and resume the great and final holy war, or jihad, against the non-Muslim world.    The first big step in the international jihad al-Banna envisioned came in the form of trans-national terrorism during the Great Arab Revolt of 1936-39, when one of the most famous of the Muslim Brotherhood’s leaders, the Hajj Amin al-Husseini, Grand Mufti (Supreme Muslim religious leader) of Jerusalem, incited his followers to a three-year war against the Jews in Palestine and against the British who administered the Palestine Mandate. In 1936 the Brotherhood had about 800 members, but by 1938, just two years into the Revolt, its membership had grown to almost 200,000, with fifty branches in Egypt alone. By the end of the 1930s, there were more than a half million active members registered, in more than 2,000 branches across the Arab world.    To achieve that broader dream of a global jihad, the Brotherhood developed a network of underground cells, stole weapons, trained fighters, formed secret assassination squads, founded sleeper cells of subversive supporters in the ranks of the army and police, and waited for the order to go public with terrorism, assassinations, and suicide missions. It was during this time that the Muslim Brotherhood found a soul mate in Nazi Germany.    The Reich offered great power connections to the movement, but the relationship brokered by the Brotherhood was more than a marriage of convenience. Long before the war, al-Banna had developed an Islamic religious ideology which previewed Hitler’s Nazism. Both movements sought world conquest and domination. Both were triumphalist and supremacist (in Nazism the Aryan must rule, while in al-Banna’s Islam, the Muslim religion must hold dominion). Both advocated subordination of the individual to a central power. Both were explicitly anti-nationalist in the sense that they believed in the liquidation of the nation-state in favor of a trans-national unifying community. And both rabidly hated the Jews and sought their destruction.    As the Brotherhood’s political and military alliance with Nazi Germany developed, these parallels facilitated a full-blown alliance, with all the pomp and panoply of formal state visits, de facto ambassadors, and overt as well as sub rosa joint ventures. Al-Banna’s followers easily transplanted into the Arab world a newly Nazified form of traditional Muslim Jew-hatred, with Arab translations of Mein Kampf (translated into Arabic as My Jihad) and other Nazi anti-Semitic works, including Der Sturmer hate-cartoons, adapted to portray the Jew as the demonic enemy of Allah.    When the Second World War broke out, Al-Banna worked to firm up a formal alliance with Hitler and Mussolini. But the best known Nazi sympathizer in the Muslim Brotherhood was the Hajj Amin al-Husseini, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, and one-time President of the Supreme Muslim Council of Palestine. The Grand Mufti was a bridge figure in terms of transplanting the Nazi genocide in Europe into the post-war Middle East and creating a fascist heritage for the Palestinian national movement.    Al-Husseini used his office as a powerful bully pulpit from which to preach anti-Jewish, anti-Zionist, and (turning on his patrons) anti-British vitriol. He was directly involved in the organization of the 1929 riots which destroyed the 3,000-year-old Jewish community of Hebron. And he was quick to see that he had a natural ally in Hitler. As early as spring 1933, he assured the German consul in Jerusalem that "the Muslims inside and outside Palestine welcome the new regime of Germany and hope for the extension of the fascist, anti-democratic governmental system to other countries."    The youth organization established by the Mufti used Nazi emblems, names and uniforms. Germany reciprocated by setting up scholarships for Arab students, hiring Arab apprentices at German firms, and inviting Arab party leaders to the Nuremberg party rallies and Arab military leaders to Wehrmacht maneuvers. Most significantly, the German Propaganda Ministry developed strong links with the Grand Mufti and with Arabic newspapers, creating a propaganda legacy that would outlast Husseini, Hitler, and all the other figures of World War II.    In September 1937, Adolf Eichmann and another SS officer carried out an exploratory mission in the Middle East lasting several weeks, and including a friendly productive visit with the Grand Mufti. It was after that visit, in fact, that the Mufti went on the Nazi payroll as a Nazi agent and propagandist. During the Great Arab Revolt of 1936-39, which al-Husseini helped organize and which Germany funded, the swastika was used as a mark of identity on Arabic leaflets and graffiti. Arab children welcomed each other with the Hitler salute, and a sea of German flags and pictures of Hitler were displayed at celebrations.    After meeting with Hitler on November 21, 1941, Husseini praised the Germans because they “know how to get rid of the Jews, and that brings us close to the Germans and sets us in their camp.” On March 1, 1944, the Mufti called out in a broadcast from Zeesen: “Arabs! Rise as one and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews wherever you find them. Kill them with your teeth if need be. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor.” His own memoirs, and the testimony of German defendants at the Nuremberg trials later on, showed that he planned a death camp modeled on Auschwitz to be constructed near Nablus for the genocide of Palestine’s Jews.    It was the Mufti who urged Hitler, Himmler, and General Ribbentrop to concentrate Germany’s considerable industrial and military resources on the extermination of European Jewry. The foremost Muslim spiritual leader of his time, he helped in this effort by lobbying to prevent Jews from leaving Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria, even though those governments were initially willing to let them go. As Eichmann himself recounted: “We have promised him [the Mufti] that no European Jew would enter Palestine any more.” Adapted from "The Nazi Roots of Palestinian Nationalism and Islamic Jihad," by David Meir-Levi (2007).	RESOURCES: The Nazi Roots of Palestinian Nationalism and Islamic Jihad By David Meir-Levi 2007 Haj Amin Al-Husseini -- Nazi Collaborator and Model for Today's Islamists By Emerson Vermaat February 27, 2008 Jew-Hatred and Jihad: The Nazi Roots of the 9/11 Attack By Matthias Kuntzel September 17, 2007 The Nazi Connection to Islamic Terrorism By Chuck Morse July 20, 2007 From Al Husseini to Hitler: Radical Islam and the Nazi Connection - Pan Arabism to the PA By Militant Islam Monitor November 17, 2006 Hitler and Jihad By Andrew G. Bostom October 24, 2008 Shedding New Light on the Mufti's Alliance with the Nazis By Steven Stotsky July 21, 2008 Heinrich Himmler's Adoration of Islam By Emerson Vermaat June 8, 2009 SEE ALSO: * Fascism

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[familyop]

"Muslim Brotherhood must be removed like Nazis, Egypt's ambassador to Britain says"

That's a good idea, but much more than the Muslim Brotherhood would have to be removed to make it come true.

Denazification, cumulative review. Report, 1 April 1947-30 April 1948.
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