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Rand Slams Congress for Funding Egypt's Generals: 'How Does Your Conscience Feel Now?'
Foreign Policy ^ | 15 Aug 2013 | John Hudson

Posted on 08/15/2013 5:44:10 PM PDT by Hoodat

Sen. Rand Paul is hammering his fellow senators for keeping billions in financial aid flowing to Egypt's military -- even as Cairo's security forces massacre anti-government activists.

"This is something that those who voted in Congress are going to have to live with," Paul told The Cable on Thursday. "The question is: How does their conscience feel now as they see photographs of tanks rolling over Egyptian civilians?"

As the official Egyptian death toll climbs to 638, the legislation the Kentucky libertarian is referring to was an amendment to suspend aid to Egypt until the country holds free and fair elections. Two weeks ago, Republicans and Democrats rejected it by an overwhelming 86-13 vote -- and top lawmakers in both parties protested it loudly.

"This amendment may be good politics, but it is bad policy," Sen. Bob Menendez, the Democratic chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said at the time.

"It would be a terrific mistake for the United States to send a message to Egypt: you're on your own," Republican Senator John McCain added back then. "I urge my colleagues to vote to table the Paul amendment."

The vote has already come back to haunt some lawmakers, such as McCain, who is now advocating a cancellation of aid to Egypt . . .

(Excerpt) Read more at thecable.foreignpolicy.com ...


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Defenders of U.S. military aid to Egypt, such as Council on Foreign Relations President Richard Haass, say the U.S. can't afford to lose its influence in Egypt

If that's the case, then the US shouldn't have elected Obama.

1 posted on 08/15/2013 5:44:10 PM PDT by Hoodat
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To: Hoodat

We should stop funding them.


2 posted on 08/15/2013 5:45:35 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Because they’re taking a stand against Islamic terrorists who burn churches whenever they get a chance?


3 posted on 08/15/2013 5:49:24 PM PDT by hannibaal
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To: cripplecreek

The Muslim Brotherhood is the grandfather of all of the terrorist movements in the mid east.

The Egyptian government is doing the right thing in shooting every single one of them.

However, where Paul is coming from: The Paul family are against any kind of foreign aid. Period.

And Paul may be right.

However, he is giving the impression that he thinks that the Muslim Brotherhood is/are innocent protesters being killed by a bad bad Egyptian army.

Not so.


4 posted on 08/15/2013 5:50:55 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: hannibaal

I am perfectly fine with MB getting iced by the Egyptian Army


5 posted on 08/15/2013 5:51:39 PM PDT by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd)
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To: Hoodat

It is no wonder the world hates us.

I hope obama’s golf game is going well.


6 posted on 08/15/2013 5:51:39 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: old curmudgeon

They sure goofed up when they thought they could pick out good wicked people.


7 posted on 08/15/2013 5:51:48 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and mean it. See my page.)
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To: old curmudgeon

I totally agree with what you have posted. And I am starting to see the point in no Foreign Aid.


8 posted on 08/15/2013 5:55:59 PM PDT by Truth2012
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To: hannibaal

Bump!


9 posted on 08/15/2013 5:56:18 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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I bet the Egyptions are pissed the Muslims take credit for the varying forms of mathematics that preceded the birth of Christ.


10 posted on 08/15/2013 5:56:32 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: cripplecreek
Perhaps but I have no trouble with the Egyptian military cleaning out the nest of snakes o-bummer foisted on them.
11 posted on 08/15/2013 6:00:50 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Revenge is a dish best served with pinto beans and muffins)
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To: Hoodat

This Egyptian debacle is giving traction to Rand Paul’s neoisolationist positions. Hard pressed Americans are beginning to wonder if the foreign entanglements are worth the material and human sacrifices. This of course sets the stage for a battle for the sol of the Republican party with the neoconservatives. It will be interesting.


12 posted on 08/15/2013 6:02:26 PM PDT by allendale
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To: AzSteven

I agree, but I think the whole of Egypt will destabilize despite the Army’s best efforts. Hope not, but the signs are not good.


13 posted on 08/15/2013 6:03:01 PM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Hoodat; caww; melancholy; thouworm

Rand is a fool.

He knows nothing of what’s going on in Egypt. He’s as stupid as his stupid crazy father. He’s taking the WRONG FREAKING SIDE! His reason for not giving money to Egypt is because he thinks the miltiary is bad and the MB are the good guys.

Makes me want to puke.

Anyway, Putin’s helping Egypt now and el-Sisi won’t take 0bastard’s call, so US influence is over, anyway. The Egyptians know full well that 0bastard’s been supporting the Mozlem Brotherhood and the MB has a very narrow small support in Egypt.

Good quote from Sultan Knish, saw a link to this article on a thread I’m trying to find, it should be posted on FR, great article:

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2013/08/a-schizophrenic-elephant.html

The GOP may be able to reconcile itself to a Rand Paul, sacrificing its national security plank to keep its socially liberal values and free trade core intact, but not to a Ted Cruz who represents something far closer to its populist base. Give the Elephant Party someone it can agree with on illegal alien amnesty, sending jobs to China and shrugging at all the Bible Belt stuff... while winning back the approval of the Tea Party and it can work with that.


14 posted on 08/15/2013 6:03:05 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Hoodat

Billions of dollars in aid to Egypt has been a questionable practice we’ve indulged in ever since Jimmy Carter, if not before.

It would be good if we could cut back on that aid—and on most other foreign aid.

But we sure as hell shouldn’t do it at this particular moment, because the Generals have followed the wishes of most Egyptians and thrown the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood out of office. Or because the generals are shooting terrorists who are busy raping and murdering and burning innocent people, including Coptic Christians.

If anything, we should be supporting the Generals at this point. But of course the Left Wing Press, the Left Wing White House, and the Left Wingers in Europe are all in favor of supporting Muslim terrorists.

The hell with that.


15 posted on 08/15/2013 6:03:28 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Hoodat

Hmmm. Aren’t these guys clearing out the Muslim Brotherhood? We should probably increase the aid if it is going for pest control..


16 posted on 08/15/2013 6:04:32 PM PDT by cardinal4 (The GOP, the ultimate battered wife? Or willing co-conspirators? You decide..)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

Link to the Live Egypt thread, best info on the internet about what’s really going down in Egypt, dedicated news hounds and freeper translations from Arabic.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3039526/posts?q=1&;page=3201

It looks as though the mil, with the support of the Egyptian people, is cleaning house.


17 posted on 08/15/2013 6:06:56 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: old curmudgeon

The muslim brotherhood will come out of this even stronger.

Mubarak was smart enough to refrain from random killing of a major portion of the population. They are the largest single faction of the country and nothing will happen without them. Many of the brotherhood types have family who have been on the government side but that will change pretty fast as their brotherhood family members are killed.

The interim VP has already stepped down and he was Obama’s choice immediately following the fall of Mubarak. Elbaradei is the man to watch. He’s the “moderate” muslim face of the brotherhood who also happens to be a globalist. Unfortunately he’s already threatened war with Israel.


18 posted on 08/15/2013 6:09:41 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I wouldn’t count on them being cleaned out.


19 posted on 08/15/2013 6:11:12 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Hoodat

Umm, the Egyptian military are trying to stop RADICAL MUSLIM TERRORISTS who want to kill Christians. Jeez, Rand. Why don’t you spend more time condemning the terrorists who are tearing Egypt apart.


20 posted on 08/15/2013 6:13:56 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: little jeremiah

Thanks for the link.........horrific images.


21 posted on 08/15/2013 6:14:31 PM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Cicero
because the Generals have followed the wishes of most Egyptians and thrown the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood out of office.

They shouldn't have voted for brotherhood rule in the first place. Unfortunately they'll do it again because despite the fantasies to the contrary, they're still muslims and will return to their vomit as soon as things settle down.
22 posted on 08/15/2013 6:14:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: little jeremiah

As if. The establishment are Christie/Jeb all the way.


23 posted on 08/15/2013 6:15:21 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: cripplecreek

You are right, such groups never really go away but if you stomp hard enough you can get many of them.


24 posted on 08/15/2013 6:15:26 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Revenge is a dish best served with pinto beans and muffins)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

And you can stomp all you want, they’re still muslim animals on both sides and will just elect another muslim animal at the first opportunity.


25 posted on 08/15/2013 6:17:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Hoodat
"...even as Cairo's security forces massacre anti-government activists."

Interesting phrase.


26 posted on 08/15/2013 6:18:18 PM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: hannibaal

No we should stop the funding because the law says if there is a military coup all US funds are withheld.

I think this is stupid geopolitics and that law should not be on the books but....

THE ISSUE NOW IS THE OBAMA REGIME IS LAWLESS AND NO EXCUSE SHOULD BE GIVEN THEM FOR DISREGARDING THE RULE OF LAW IN THE US.

THAT IS WHAT WILL COST US THE US, WHO CARES ABOUT EGYPT???


27 posted on 08/15/2013 6:18:20 PM PDT by slorunner
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To: slorunner

We did enough damage with the ousting of Mubarak and Egypt is toast. We shouldn’t do any more damage. Besides, aid we give them today will just go to the Brotherhood when this current government falls.


28 posted on 08/15/2013 6:22:55 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cardinal4

Have you read the Live Egypt thread?

CHeck it out if you haven’t (or haven’t lately).


29 posted on 08/15/2013 6:24:19 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Hoodat
That's My Boy!!!


30 posted on 08/15/2013 6:24:52 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: slorunner

There was no military coup in Egypt.

The military stepped in when tens of millions of Egyptians signed a petition to oust Mursi and then took to the streets for over a month.


31 posted on 08/15/2013 6:25:25 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: cripplecreek

You don’t know Egyptian history very well. The Army has been killing these cockroaches for 80 years. The MB promised to behave in the 80s after they got stomped on again. That’s how Al Qaeda was formed.

The MB will not go away but their influence will go back to the peasant villages and out of the cities. The generals know what they are doing.

The MB in charge is suicide.


32 posted on 08/15/2013 6:26:02 PM PDT by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: Hoodat
The Egyptian military should take care of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood is behind Hamas, Al Qaida and pushing to have Islam (sharia law) take over America. The Muslim Brotherhood burns churches in Egypt.

Sen. Paul should not be so reflexive. Former ambassador John Bolton can give him an education of what is going on in Egypt now.

33 posted on 08/15/2013 6:26:05 PM PDT by Stepan12
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To: Hoodat

Unless you want another IRAN in North Africa you better support the Egyptian generals who oppose the Muslim Brotherhood and are trying to restore representative government as they had before Obama.


34 posted on 08/15/2013 6:26:48 PM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama does not know how bad he really is.)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

The MB is the mother of all current political Islamic groups. They are evil to the core and the Egyptian new gov and mil is doing the right thing. And they have evidence that 0bastard was funding the MB in Egypt.


35 posted on 08/15/2013 6:26:57 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah; caww

Rand and McAss want the MB to rule the ME.

They WILL lose!


36 posted on 08/15/2013 6:27:48 PM PDT by melancholy (READ MY LIPS, NO POLITICAL ISLAM, EVER!!)
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To: cripplecreek

Have you read the Live Egypt thread?

All your assertions are not factual. The MB is not the single largest faction of the country. The MB support is narrow, maybe 10% at present.


37 posted on 08/15/2013 6:28:15 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: melancholy

Rand is even worse than I thought he was, and I already thought he was a slimeball nutcase like his Pa.

Siding with MB is really insanely evil.


38 posted on 08/15/2013 6:29:11 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: melancholy; Absolutely Nobama

Absolutely - you have to see this thread.

Ron Paul’s little boy sides with the Mozlem Brotherhood.


39 posted on 08/15/2013 6:29:54 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Azeem

I’m just going to laugh at you. Right off the top because I’m not impressed with a freeper with a muslim sounding name who comes out of nowhere to set the record straight (you have zero credibility with me)

The dumb ass egyptians elected Morsi and will just turn around and elect another just like him like muslim scum always do.

I really couldn’t care less what happens in that litter box and don’t want my tax dollars going to the cat turds that inhabit it.


40 posted on 08/15/2013 6:31:47 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: little jeremiah
Have you read the Live Egypt thread?

Nope and I know better than waste my time on propaganda. You clowns are acting exactly the same way you did the first time you got it wrong and I was called all kinds of names then too.

If you clowns want a fight so bad, you should spend your own money and get over there and take care of business. Guess its just easier to leech off the taxpayers.
41 posted on 08/15/2013 6:36:25 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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The MB are “anti-government activists”? So burning churches, cutting heads off, throwing people off buildings etc., etc. is now classified as “activism”? Got it.


42 posted on 08/15/2013 6:38:17 PM PDT by Hayride
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To: little jeremiah

“He’s taking the WRONG FREAKING SIDE”

It looks like you are the fool here.

Why the hell do you want to take sides in the Egyptian civil war?

Just please tell me how is any of this in the US interest.

Getting involved in this will only bring their civil war here. Just like it did before.

I’m far from being an isolationist and neither is Rand. But getting involved in these civil wars is just plain stupid. Nothing good will come out of it.


43 posted on 08/15/2013 6:39:01 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: cripplecreek

Okay, so you know more than anyone who pays close attention to Egyptian news for months and some who understand Arabic.

Apparently you’ve gone entirely nuts.


44 posted on 08/15/2013 6:40:14 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Rand is siding with the MB. Why didn’t he object to $ to Egypt when Morsi was pres? THe claim that military tanks are running over citizens is MB propagana. If he started in with “no $ for Egypt” when Morsi was in, then he might be taken seriously.

But he’s siding with Mozlem radicals, just like his Pa.


45 posted on 08/15/2013 6:41:49 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

I just don’t want to spend my money on the new FR fantasy of “Good Muslims” LOL


46 posted on 08/15/2013 6:43:43 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Hoodat

While I agree with crip about not funding them we do not need to stop funding now or for the reasons that they kicked morsi out and are killing mb and al qaeda terrorists. Those terrorists killed ONE HUNDRED POLICE ARMED ONLY WITH TEAR GAS... and the can of whupass that the Military has opened on them is deserved in spades. Kill them all boys and stack them like cord wood!

LLS


47 posted on 08/15/2013 6:49:15 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: cripplecreek

Mubarak was smart enough to refrain from random killing of a major portion of the population.


Who deposed Mubarak?

I don’t think he was so smart.

Read up on the history of the Brotherhood and you will be convinced that there will never be “peace” until the Caliphate.


48 posted on 08/15/2013 6:51:02 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: little jeremiah

The Paul family does not support aid to ANY nation.

Israel, England, Egypt, Jordon.....

There is no distinction.


49 posted on 08/15/2013 6:53:29 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: little jeremiah

“Why didn’t he object to $ to Egypt when Morsi was pres?”

He did DUmmy. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

Rand Paul is against giving taxpayer money to Egypt and he doesn’t care who is in power. Why the hell do you want to spend money killing civilians in Egypt? That makes no sense ar all. The muslim brotherhood is their problem.


50 posted on 08/15/2013 6:53:57 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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