Posted on 08/21/2013 5:21:08 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen
After 150 years, the emotions and opinions are still raw.
Generations of Kansans have been taught that thieving, bloodthirsty Missourians ripped Lawrence men from their families in the early morning hours of Aug. 21, 1863, and shot them in the dusty streets of Lawrence.
“It was utterly catastrophic,” said Pat Kehde, a retired Lawrence bookstore owner and great-granddaughter of Ralph and Jetta Dix.
On the morning of the raid, Jetta tried to protect Ralph by standing between William Quantrill’s men and her husband. When Jetta stumbled as one of Quantrill’s men rode his horse into her, Ralph was momentarily unguarded and in that instant was shot and killed.
(Excerpt) Read more at kansas.com ...
I love epic movies, and Ride With the Devil ranks pretty high. I’ve seen it several times, and could watch it again. I thought the cast was was great, the cinematography gorgeous, and the Lawrence raid scene plausible. (No doubt your son’s contribution helped.)
It’s hard to believe such a movie—one treating Southerners sympathetically— could have been made. Of course it was a bit of a sleeper.
Ang Lee directed it; he’s the same guy who directed Brokeback Mountain. I’ve never seen that one, and don’t intend to.
Gorgeous campus in Lawrence. Born and raised Johnson Co. here.
Yep. Gun control. Works every time.
I think that it was the pro-slavery side that was sending men from Missouri across the border into Kansas to vote that caused Congress to refuse the first Kansas constitution. The Northerners who settled there, had in fact settled there permanently.
No. New one on me.
Thanks.
Had to be pretty serious boys if Sam Houston thought they were getting out of hand.
“Sherman liberated Georgia from the Confederates.”
Yeah! That’s the ticket! “liberated”: The rebs were tossing flowers at them.
Whatta maroon ...........
I will read that after I finish studying copperheads ands the NY draft riots.
The colonel has a loose screw....
That’s an insult by those that wrote the history(the north)
Lawrence was in retaliation for the burnings of farms and the killing of farmers.
It would not have mattered which of the two of them 'lead' the raid, although I believe both were present. They both shared something which pertained quite well into the brutality that was done in Lawrence. What was that something, which oh so coincidentally is never mentioned when the subject of Lawrence may happen to come up?
The fact that *both* men had lost women who were important in their lives, at the hands of Union forces in Missouri, in the same incident. William Quantrell's wife, and Bill Anderson's sister were taken by soldiers operating under the orders of Governor Crittenden, then housed , with several hundred other wives and sisters of those that Governor Crittenden believed harbored Confederate sympathies, in an abandoned, condemned factory in Kansas City. The building, which had never even been in its prime, able to house so many collapsed with a great many injuries and no few fatalities. Quantrell's wife, and Anderson's sister were among the dead.
At the time this happened, neither Quantrell or Anderson had actually taken up arms, and no punitive actions were taken by the Federal government in the matter of the callous disregard for the lives and safety of those who should have been considered non-combatants.
While the revenge the two took was, and should be considered, horrific, it was not entirely without some justification, and is a perfect example of the true hell that war actually is...
the infowarrior
My grandfather told me his father road with Quantrill and after the Lawrence raid left and went to Salina. Later on my grandfather and his brother loaded a wagon and came to TX. Once stablished they went back to Salina and loaded up their wives and kids in that same wagon and moved them all to TX. My father was born 3 days after they arrived in Breckinridge TX.
No need to either surrender or be reconstructed. Missouri
was one of the 4 states where slavery was legal that choose not to leave the Union. Missouri slaves were freed by proclamation of the Governor in January 1865.
Sherman gave orders that buildings on his march were not be be burned unless they were fired on from said buildings. Of course US Army units had to be in larger groups under command of a reliable officer so they could protect themselves from local militia and cavalry. Food was gathered from the larger plantations.
By contrast southern deserters moved in smaller groups, and burned after looting smaller houses, and committed indiscriminate murder, not having reliable officers in command. After the war, all damage was blamed on Sherman’s men, so old feuds could be put to rest.
One John Brown was able to bag a few of the slavers from Missouri.
Sadly, he was overcome with hubris, and thought he had discovered the secret to offensive-defensive tactics.
Problem with Offensive defensive tactics is they don’t work well against an alert and energetic energy. RE Lee, JEB Stuart and the Marines were alert and energetic.
You do recall that Bob Dole lost most of a hand to a German Grenade?
Shame on you.
There were about a dozen women being held on the second floor of a residential and commercial building. It wasn't an abandoned factory. On the first floor was a grocery store. The third floor was empty, one big room that had been an artist's studio
The building, which had never even been in its prime, able to house so many collapsed with a great many injuries and no few fatalities. Quantrell's wife, and Anderson's sister were among the dead.
Four women were killed in the collapse, including Anderson's sister. Another sister was badly injured. Quantrilll's wife was not killed and continued to live alongside her husband in his camps. Interestingly, his wife was 13 when he married her.
At the time this happened, neither Quantrell or Anderson had actually taken up arms
Wow. Okay. So what you're saying is that Quantrill and Anderson only took up arms after the building collapse on August 13, 1863 and were leading a large band of armed men when they raided Lawrence on August 21?
Finally, most people who have studied the collapse point to the building next door, which collapsed at the same time. In that building, the Army was doing extensive work, converting it to barracks, and it seems that they wakened the structure, causing ti to collapse and taking the makeshift prison next door with it. Previous to that, by the way, the women had been kept at a hotel.
Western Missouri was apparently a corridor that was alternately under Union and Confederate control. The loss of life was horrible and the total population of Jasper County, Missouri, after the Civil War was 36. (The population before the war was over 600)
No shame whatsoever. Just annoyed anger at old Bob now that you dredged it all up.
Old bonerless Bob gave us 4 more years of Clinton because it was “his turn” to run for president. He was an originating Rino. He and his wife then became the penultimate DC insiders pumping the government teat for millions.
Then, he shames himself and the honor of his past offices by being the first to pimp the wonder wiener pill on TV.
Yes. He was a wounded veteran. So was Bendict Arnold. Guess what both are are remembered for. Not their service to country.......but rather service to self.
I included him in my satirical look at Kansas manhood, because he has himself become a punch line.
PS. It was machine gun fire. Not a grenade.
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