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And You “Can’t” Defund Obamacare . . . Why?
Independence Institute ^ | August 25, 2013 | Rob Natelson

Posted on 08/25/2013 2:46:51 PM PDT by Veritas_et_libertas

Freedom and popular government in Britain and America became possible because over the course of many years the English House of Commons, and later the American colonial legislatures, were willing to exert the power of the purse to discipline an overreaching executive.

In Britain, the House of Commons—Parliament’s lower chamber—sometimes defunded the executive in order to curb it. The House was willing do this despite threats from the Crown and “bad press” from the English establishment. In America, the colonial assemblies were willing to defund the king’s governors to check their power.

Freedom likely would have been impossible without the constancy of the “people’s houses,” led by great parliamentary leaders like Edward Coke in England and Patrick Henry in America.

The U.S. House of Representatives is the direct descendant of the House of Commons and of the colonial assemblies. Like them, it enjoys power to defund government programs. Yes, the Senate has to approve financial bills. But those bills have to originate in the House, and nothing forces the House to send to the Senate a money bill for a program the House doesn’t want.

Today’s headline says that although the Republicans control the House of Representatives, there still are not enough votes to defund Obamacare.

*snip*

If these pusillanimous politicos were in charge during critical moments in the 17th and 18th centuries, no doubt America would never have been free, and we’d all be slaves of the British Crown today.

(Excerpt) Read more at constitution.i2i.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; defund; obamacare; thefounding; zerocare
Now, let me see if I’ve got this straight:

* Obamacare’s massive new bureaucracy is a classic case of executive branch overreach;

* its central promises turn out to be false—health care premiums are going up, not down; and people are losing the insurance coverage the President promised they could keep;

* the President himself says he is forced to suspend part of it;

* a clear majority of the American people want it to go away;

* most members of the House of Representatives say they want Obamacare to go away;

* those Representatives have the power of the purse; but

* they still “can’t” defund it?

Just whom do they think they are kidding?

1 posted on 08/25/2013 2:46:51 PM PDT by Veritas_et_libertas
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To: Veritas_et_libertas

Any congress critter that says they can’t defund this nightmare is a bald faced LIAR.


2 posted on 08/25/2013 2:51:42 PM PDT by dainbramaged (Joe McCarthy was right.)
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To: Veritas_et_libertas

GOP is SCARED TO DEATH of the inevitable race riots that will ensue. They’d rather suffer a slow, certain disaster that an uncertain crisis that the “media” will blame on the racist conservatives that our military think are the extremists.


3 posted on 08/25/2013 2:57:24 PM PDT by Thom Pain (U.S. Constitution is a CONTRACT! : $70 TRILLION unfunded...)
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To: Veritas_et_libertas
Boehner is part of the problem - not part of the solution. This issue is so simple. Pass a continuing resolution that does not include funding for Obamacare, and then send that resolution to the Senate. A fifth grader could figure that one out. Yet it is clear by his actions over the past 2½ years that Boehner actually supports Obamacare. His words mean nothing.

As for the government being shut down, that will never happen under Obama regardless of how Congress votes. For the last three months, our government has exceeded it's legal capacity to borrow, yet they continue unabated. The rule of law means nothing. So why give sanction to this Administration's illegal action?

4 posted on 08/25/2013 2:58:38 PM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: Veritas_et_libertas

Repubs differ from Dems only is method... they believe their plan is better than the Dems plan, they don’t disagree in agenda.

Look at their last candidate, Romney. Look at their actions now, refusing to defund. Look at how they did not complain about Obama’s usurpation when he by decree delayed implementation of the law for certain classes of persons, and how Boehner one-ups Obama by passing legislation to delay implementation for remaining classes of persons.

Look at Amnesty. The Repubs reject the massive bill promoted by Dems, and in stead promote several smaller bills, together having the same end as the Dem bill. The RNC stated policy is Amnesty.

The ruling Democrat-Republican Party has got to go.


5 posted on 08/25/2013 3:00:20 PM PDT by Ray76 (Common sense immigration reform: Enforce Existing Law)
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To: Veritas_et_libertas

6 posted on 08/25/2013 3:02:00 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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7 posted on 08/25/2013 3:03:52 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: Thom Pain
GOP is SCARED TO DEATH of the inevitable race riots that will ensue.

Why would there be race riots; the moochers already have Medicaid along with all of their other taxpayer gibmedats!
8 posted on 08/25/2013 3:09:01 PM PDT by rhubarbk (It's official, I'm suffering from Obama fatigue!)
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To: Thom Pain

“GOP is SCARED TO DEATH of the inevitable race riots that will ensue. “

No, the GOP is serving their real masters. Wall Street and the large multi national corporations want to eliminate the cost of health care from employee benefits by offloading it to the government. Congress did not have the courage to transition directly to a federal government managed single payer system. Obamacare was designed as the intermediate step. Once it is completely implemented, and the people complain, Congress plans to solve the problem by moving to a government run single payer system. At that time employer paid health insurance will end.

The Dems will get another huge entitlement program for its low information constituents plus a huge bureaucracy to employ more Dem voting government workers. The corporate fatcats who fund the RNC will enjoy billions of dollars in additional profits by offloading medical costs on the government. The middle class will assume the cost of funding the single payer system through higher taxes.

The Republican Party is demonstrating everyday it is not aligned with conservative voters or the middle class.


9 posted on 08/25/2013 3:09:26 PM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: Veritas_et_libertas

They ‘can’t’ de-fund it because they have been convinced that de-funding it would lose them the Hispanic and black votes.... votes they will NEVER get in a million years.

Yes, there are some critters in congress who think a bird in the bush is better than a bird in hand.

Mid-terms are coming up, best not to make waves to some of these congress people...


10 posted on 08/25/2013 3:26:57 PM PDT by esoxmagnum (The rats have been trained to pull the D voting lever to get their little food pellet)
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To: Soul of the South

“The Dems will get another huge entitlement program for its low information constituents plus a huge bureaucracy to employ more Dem voting government workers. The corporate fatcats who fund the RNC will enjoy billions of dollars in additional profits by offloading medical costs on the government. The middle class will assume the cost of funding the single payer system through higher taxes.”

Well said.

I would add that both the gop and ‘rat wing of the uniparty will get a source of graft - waivers won’t be cheap - as well as access to all that personal data. Nice to have when you want to do opposition research on your opponent, don’t you think?


11 posted on 08/25/2013 4:13:31 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: Veritas_et_libertas

Whatever happened to the doctrine that laws passed by a sitting Congress can’t obligate a future Congress?


12 posted on 08/25/2013 4:18:05 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: txrefugee
Whatever happened to the doctrine that laws passed by a sitting Congress can’t obligate a future Congress?

I know of no such limitation. The Clinton semiauto and normal cap magazine ban lasted 10 years until it sunset.

But there is that pesky Article 1. Section 9, Para 7 thingy. Appropriations can only be made in accordance with law. People do not work for free very long. Obamacare may be stillborn, but the IRS will still collect the penalty (I meant tax) until it is abolished.

13 posted on 08/25/2013 5:09:40 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: Veritas_et_libertas

OK, let’s put our thinking caps on and look at the likely outcome of the strategy to defund Obamacare.

Congress ( the lower house ) votes to DEFUND Obamacare (the GOp has a significant majority in the house ).

What happens next when it reaches the Senate?


14 posted on 08/25/2013 5:45:50 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Veritas_et_libertas

The US Congress supports al Qaeda,
ignores the Constitution,
imposes “Laws” for peons and not itself,
waives ObamaCARE/RomneyCARE/DeathCARE for itself
its staff and its mistresses,
as it remains drunk, whoring, and cashing in its endless payoffs.

This will probably not end well.


15 posted on 08/25/2013 5:55:34 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Veritas_et_libertas

I’d like to see the following put into legislative language:

1) Except for the provisions of the so-called “Affordable Care Act”, all previous line-items in the previous budget are to be continued in the manner typically found in a continuing budget resolution.

2) No funding requirements in the aforementioned “Affordable Care Act” are to be fulfilled unless *all* measures in that act are put into place in time schedule specified in that act

3) No government subsidies for easing the financial burden of that act shall be granted to any individuals (congress members, executive branch members, congressional staff, etc) nor to any organizations (unions, favored businesses, etc) that are not equally available to the general citizenry.

The House should pass that continuing resolution, clear out of town, and leave no forwarding address. Let the Senate and President decide if they want to put the whole Obamacare fiasco into effect impartially, or if they want to shut down the government.


16 posted on 08/25/2013 6:30:32 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: SeekAndFind

Thinking cap? It isn’t exactly rocket science. Senate either passes the same bill killing Obamacare or refuses to go along. If they sign on, Obama faces the same choice. Whoever refuses to sign onto the budget passed by the house,, causes the government to shut down.

Government gets no money until Obamacare is repealed. Not a damned dime.

Whats the alternative? The Boehner solution of a few trivial fixes to obamacare and then letting it go live in january?


17 posted on 08/25/2013 7:46:09 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Thom Pain

they don’t care they have jobs for life we don’t


18 posted on 08/25/2013 7:52:22 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2 (i don't believe any court in this country is operating lawfully anyway)
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To: Veritas_et_libertas

The House should send an actual budget, with no funding for obamacare, to the Senate. Let Harry Reid kill it. And if he sends it back with changes simply tell him to “Send it to Rove because we ain’t interested”.


19 posted on 08/25/2013 8:34:14 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (When you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil.)
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To: Hoodat

I believe obama when he says there are republicans who 0agree with him but are afraid of not being re-elected. It’s probably boner.


20 posted on 08/25/2013 8:35:59 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (When you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil.)
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To: Diogenesis

It will end in civil war. I am not sure exactly how or when,or even who will win, but when the communists start taking the retirement funds and bank accounts, (and they WILL)things will ramp up a bit. Trying to deal with this country’s problems peaceably now is akin to asking Jesse James to please stop robbing banks at the height of his career...


21 posted on 08/25/2013 9:08:45 PM PDT by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: SeekAndFind
What happens next when it reaches the Senate?

At that point, the Democrat Party becomes responsible for any decision to shut down the Federal Government. That is what happens next.

Let's put the left on the defensive -- for once.

22 posted on 08/25/2013 9:22:56 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: Veritas_et_libertas
Obama is Law-Less because Republican "leaders' are BALL-LESS!!

STAND UP TO PEE, you WEASELS!!!!

23 posted on 08/26/2013 4:31:56 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: SeekAndFind

WHO CARES???? If they CAVE because of what the Senate is going to do, then they ARE USELESS to Governing the US! They are an EQUAL...EQUAL BRANCH.


24 posted on 08/26/2013 4:33:45 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy; All
Enact change at the state level, here is an example...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3058899/posts

If this passes tomorrow, it maybe earth shattering IMHO....

25 posted on 08/26/2013 7:16:43 AM PDT by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks....)
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To: Veritas_et_libertas
* a clear majority of the American people want it to go away; AND NEVER SUPPORTED IT BEFORE IT WAS JAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS BY A 'PURCHASED CONGRESS'.
26 posted on 08/26/2013 7:18:22 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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27 posted on 08/26/2013 7:18:28 AM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: dainbramaged

to post 2.

not exactly.

PPACA ‘Obamacare’, the funding is authorized thru
FY 2019.

not my decision, btw.


28 posted on 08/26/2013 7:48:51 AM PDT by RockyTx
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To: Veritas_et_libertas
I get the feeling the reason some of them do not want to defund Obamacare is there is too much money invested to see Obamacare implemented. They do not want to give up lucrative profits.

Just a hunch.

29 posted on 08/26/2013 7:56:56 AM PDT by FranklinsTower
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To: Soul of the South

Perfectly said. Well done.


30 posted on 08/26/2013 8:54:12 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Government: Slimy used car salesmen writing laws forcing you to buy their cars)
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To: FranklinsTower

What? Insider trading based on non-public knowledge?! Why, I’m shocked to hear such innuendo and conjecture....Why, I’m sure Dumbo himself has virtuously made his um-teenth $M from the same cattle futures Hillary used /s


31 posted on 08/26/2013 10:16:22 AM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of all problems.)
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To: Thom Pain
GOP is SCARED TO DEATH of the inevitable race riots that will ensue.

Okay, given that would be the result, we're going to have those riots anyway when the Great Teat goes dry. I'd just as soon get it over with before they buy up even more ammo with my tax money and it disappears from warehouses.

7.62X39? The US Government is buying up ammo for east-bloc rifles? Who for? Not your local sheriff!

32 posted on 08/27/2013 6:16:49 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Veritas_et_libertas
Because once liberals get one of their cockamamie ideas enshrined into law, it's, well, the law!

To try to reverse it would be, ooooohh, regressive, and that's a terrible thing to the Left.

33 posted on 08/27/2013 2:45:03 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Soul of the South
Wall Street and the large multi national corporations want to eliminate the cost of health care from employee benefits by offloading it to the government.

This.

I worked briefly for a big-box store (not WalMart) and I could tell that they did not want to pay for any healthcare for the common worker. The plans were priced well beyond their ability to pay for it and still have anything left in their paycheck.

It seems to me that the big-box stores make sure to pay their workers low enough salaries so they qualify for food stamps and medicare (medicaid?). Offloading all of their employees healthcare costs onto the government means a fatter profit margin for them (and for the government, more revenue in taxes on that profit).

A win-win for both large corporations and the feral government. The only loser: us.

34 posted on 08/27/2013 2:59:36 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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