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And You “Can’t” Defund Obamacare . . . Why?
Independence Institute ^ | August 25, 2013 | Rob Natelson

Posted on 08/25/2013 2:46:51 PM PDT by Veritas_et_libertas

Freedom and popular government in Britain and America became possible because over the course of many years the English House of Commons, and later the American colonial legislatures, were willing to exert the power of the purse to discipline an overreaching executive.

In Britain, the House of Commons—Parliament’s lower chamber—sometimes defunded the executive in order to curb it. The House was willing do this despite threats from the Crown and “bad press” from the English establishment. In America, the colonial assemblies were willing to defund the king’s governors to check their power.

Freedom likely would have been impossible without the constancy of the “people’s houses,” led by great parliamentary leaders like Edward Coke in England and Patrick Henry in America.

The U.S. House of Representatives is the direct descendant of the House of Commons and of the colonial assemblies. Like them, it enjoys power to defund government programs. Yes, the Senate has to approve financial bills. But those bills have to originate in the House, and nothing forces the House to send to the Senate a money bill for a program the House doesn’t want.

Today’s headline says that although the Republicans control the House of Representatives, there still are not enough votes to defund Obamacare.

*snip*

If these pusillanimous politicos were in charge during critical moments in the 17th and 18th centuries, no doubt America would never have been free, and we’d all be slaves of the British Crown today.

(Excerpt) Read more at constitution.i2i.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; defund; obamacare; thefounding; zerocare
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To: Diogenesis

It will end in civil war. I am not sure exactly how or when,or even who will win, but when the communists start taking the retirement funds and bank accounts, (and they WILL)things will ramp up a bit. Trying to deal with this country’s problems peaceably now is akin to asking Jesse James to please stop robbing banks at the height of his career...


21 posted on 08/25/2013 9:08:45 PM PDT by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: SeekAndFind
What happens next when it reaches the Senate?

At that point, the Democrat Party becomes responsible for any decision to shut down the Federal Government. That is what happens next.

Let's put the left on the defensive -- for once.

22 posted on 08/25/2013 9:22:56 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: Veritas_et_libertas
Obama is Law-Less because Republican "leaders' are BALL-LESS!!

STAND UP TO PEE, you WEASELS!!!!

23 posted on 08/26/2013 4:31:56 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: SeekAndFind

WHO CARES???? If they CAVE because of what the Senate is going to do, then they ARE USELESS to Governing the US! They are an EQUAL...EQUAL BRANCH.


24 posted on 08/26/2013 4:33:45 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy; All
Enact change at the state level, here is an example...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3058899/posts

If this passes tomorrow, it maybe earth shattering IMHO....

25 posted on 08/26/2013 7:16:43 AM PDT by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks....)
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To: Veritas_et_libertas
* a clear majority of the American people want it to go away; AND NEVER SUPPORTED IT BEFORE IT WAS JAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS BY A 'PURCHASED CONGRESS'.
26 posted on 08/26/2013 7:18:22 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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FReepathon
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27 posted on 08/26/2013 7:18:28 AM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: dainbramaged

to post 2.

not exactly.

PPACA ‘Obamacare’, the funding is authorized thru
FY 2019.

not my decision, btw.


28 posted on 08/26/2013 7:48:51 AM PDT by RockyTx
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To: Veritas_et_libertas
I get the feeling the reason some of them do not want to defund Obamacare is there is too much money invested to see Obamacare implemented. They do not want to give up lucrative profits.

Just a hunch.

29 posted on 08/26/2013 7:56:56 AM PDT by FranklinsTower
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To: Soul of the South

Perfectly said. Well done.


30 posted on 08/26/2013 8:54:12 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Government: Slimy used car salesmen writing laws forcing you to buy their cars)
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To: FranklinsTower

What? Insider trading based on non-public knowledge?! Why, I’m shocked to hear such innuendo and conjecture....Why, I’m sure Dumbo himself has virtuously made his um-teenth $M from the same cattle futures Hillary used /s


31 posted on 08/26/2013 10:16:22 AM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of all problems.)
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To: Thom Pain
GOP is SCARED TO DEATH of the inevitable race riots that will ensue.

Okay, given that would be the result, we're going to have those riots anyway when the Great Teat goes dry. I'd just as soon get it over with before they buy up even more ammo with my tax money and it disappears from warehouses.

7.62X39? The US Government is buying up ammo for east-bloc rifles? Who for? Not your local sheriff!

32 posted on 08/27/2013 6:16:49 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Veritas_et_libertas
Because once liberals get one of their cockamamie ideas enshrined into law, it's, well, the law!

To try to reverse it would be, ooooohh, regressive, and that's a terrible thing to the Left.

33 posted on 08/27/2013 2:45:03 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Soul of the South
Wall Street and the large multi national corporations want to eliminate the cost of health care from employee benefits by offloading it to the government.

This.

I worked briefly for a big-box store (not WalMart) and I could tell that they did not want to pay for any healthcare for the common worker. The plans were priced well beyond their ability to pay for it and still have anything left in their paycheck.

It seems to me that the big-box stores make sure to pay their workers low enough salaries so they qualify for food stamps and medicare (medicaid?). Offloading all of their employees healthcare costs onto the government means a fatter profit margin for them (and for the government, more revenue in taxes on that profit).

A win-win for both large corporations and the feral government. The only loser: us.

34 posted on 08/27/2013 2:59:36 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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