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Is Fukushima Radiation Contaminating Tuna, Salmon and Herring On the West Coast of North America?
Zero Hege ^ | 26 August, 2013 | George Washington

Posted on 08/26/2013 7:34:30 PM PDT by Errant

We've extensively documented that radioactivity from Fukushima is spreading to North America.

More than a year ago, 15 out of 15 bluefin tuna tested in California waters were contaminated with radioactive cesium from Fukushima.

Bluefin tuna are a wide-ranging fish, which can swim back and forth between Japan and North America in a year:

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fish; fukushima; pacificocean; radiation; salmon; seafood; tuna; westcoast
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The Globe and Mail, Aug 13, 2013 (Emphasis Added): Independent fisheries scientist Alexandra Morton is raising concerns about a disease she says is spreading through Pacific herring causing fish to hemorrhage. [...] “Two days ago I did a beach seine on Malcolm Island [near Port McNeill on northern Vancouver Island] and I got approximately 100 of these little herring and they were not only bleeding from their fins, but their bellies, their chins, their eyeballs. [...] “It was 100 per cent … I couldn’t find any that weren’t bleeding to some degree. And they were schooling with young sockeye [salmon]”
1 posted on 08/26/2013 7:34:30 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

2 posted on 08/26/2013 7:36:37 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Don't blame me for McCain.)
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To: Errant

If fisheries stocks were contaminated with radiation from Fukishima would we ever hear about it from a government agency?


3 posted on 08/26/2013 7:38:55 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post))
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To: Jeff Chandler; Larousse2
Another ongoing FR Thread: Fukushima's Radioactive Water Leak: What You Should Know
4 posted on 08/26/2013 7:39:33 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Rebelbase
What have you heard form our government? Zilch... Certainly nothing that shines a light on safety concerns, for fear of embarrassment. Reminds you of the old Soviet Union, Communist China, or North Korea. The MSM, in this country, will not publish anything for fear of dear leader.

All we hear from our government is how poorly we're treating African-Americans, the danger of limited government, how everything is fine with the economy, and that we need to invade the ME...

5 posted on 08/26/2013 7:46:06 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant
There are 15 bluefin tuna still left in the wild?

That's an amazing fact to me.

6 posted on 08/26/2013 7:47:31 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Jeff Chandler

Gosh, maybe my neighbor’s lutefisk will taste better this year!


7 posted on 08/26/2013 7:50:35 PM PDT by llevrok ("It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words....." - Geo. Orwell)
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To: Errant
Standard eco-scare tactic reporting. Radiation doesn't cause fish to bleed. And the article gives NOT ONE SINGLE MEASURED DATUM as to what the actual radiation levels found in the fish were.

Words strung together with zero real meaning.

8 posted on 08/26/2013 7:55:27 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Errant

I dunno.

My moobs have almost disappeared.


9 posted on 08/26/2013 7:59:25 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Errant

“What have you heard form our government? Zilch... Certainly nothing that shines a light on safety concerns, for fear of embarrassment.”

I think that if the news were to frighten people about radioactivity and make nuke plants less popular, our leaders would tell us tout suite. That would ensure a stedy flow of money to the overseas oil producers.


10 posted on 08/26/2013 8:03:51 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Jeff Chandler

Heh heh, that didn’t take long.


11 posted on 08/26/2013 8:07:06 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Vendome

Check your gonad buoyancy. If they’re floating, you’re in trouble!


12 posted on 08/26/2013 8:08:48 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Rebelbase
If fisheries stocks were contaminated with radiation from Fukishima would we ever hear about it from a government agency?

The German governmet, maybe, or Poland's. Our own? Not a chance.

13 posted on 08/26/2013 8:10:34 PM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: Errant

My attractive young female doctor is always gland-handling me.
And I really love tuna. My goodness, I’m worried!
Should I ask her to turn out the lights and do a ‘nad-glow’ exam?


14 posted on 08/26/2013 8:36:28 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Radiation doesn't cause fish to bleed.

Full scale studies need doing. Who knows what happens to young fish that swim through pockets of higher radiation. While it wouldn't pose that grave of a danger to us, it could decimate fishing stocks. Not saying it is, or that the radiation is what's causing the historical lows in fish populations in the northern pacific, just saying it needs some serious looking into.

15 posted on 08/26/2013 8:37:23 PM PDT by Errant
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To: tumblindice

She would most likely set you up for a psych evaluation. lol


16 posted on 08/26/2013 8:41:31 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Vendome

Don’t worry, I got ‘em.


17 posted on 08/26/2013 8:58:52 PM PDT by null and void (Frequent terrorist attacks OR endless government snooping and oppression? We can have both!)
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To: Errant

That, and if you are brutal enough with the net, you can damage every fish in it enough to bleed.


18 posted on 08/26/2013 9:01:00 PM PDT by null and void (Frequent terrorist attacks OR endless government snooping and oppression? We can have both!)
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To: llevrok
LOL. I saw a show that highlighted lutefisk, the process of what it takes to create the hideous mass of repellent seafood.

Wikipedia
Lutefisk (Norwegian) or Lutfisk (Swedish) or Ludfisk (Danish) (pronounced [lʉːtfesk] in Northern Norway, [lʉːtəfɪsk] in Central and Southern Norway, [lʉːtfɪsk] in Sweden, in Denmark [luð̞ˠfesk] and in Finland (Finnish: lipeäkala)) is a traditional dish of the Nordic countries. It is made from aged stockfish (air-dried whitefish) or dried/salted whitefish (klippfisk) and lye (lut). It is gelatinous in texture, and has an extremely strong, pungent odor. Its name literally means "lye fish."

19 posted on 08/26/2013 9:03:44 PM PDT by lbryce (The 22nd Amendment Lives:1142 Days Until America's Greatest Nemesis Gets the Heave "Ho")
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To: null and void

That’s true and if you bring them up from a depth as well. Trusting those fishermen know the difference though. Sounds like something they’ve not seen to this extent. Could be biological or something secondary as result of the radiation. Some organisms proliferated in high radiation environments. Do a search for what they’ve found growing inside the Chernobyl esophagus. Then there’s the legend of Godzilla... ;)


20 posted on 08/26/2013 9:07:01 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant
GBD: Several colleagues of mine suffer from the shame, symptoms of a recently discovered malady known as GBD, Gonadal Buoyancy Dysfunction.
21 posted on 08/26/2013 9:10:01 PM PDT by lbryce (The 22nd Amendment Lives:1142 Days Until America's Greatest Nemesis Gets the Heave "Ho")
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To: null and void

LOL


22 posted on 08/26/2013 9:20:46 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Errant

They weren’t caught by professional fishermen, they were caught by an academic with an axe to grind.

I’d bet she dragged the net along the beach, too.


23 posted on 08/26/2013 9:27:41 PM PDT by null and void (Frequent terrorist attacks OR endless government snooping and oppression? We can have both!)
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To: Rebelbase

We certainly are all going to die......


24 posted on 08/26/2013 9:30:16 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: null and void

LOL


25 posted on 08/26/2013 9:42:49 PM PDT by Errant
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To: lbryce

I’ve seen robust men loose all respect for themselves once the symptoms appear. IMO, our government should be establishing crisis centers in every major city.


26 posted on 08/26/2013 9:49:06 PM PDT by Errant
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To: llevrok

don’t count on it ;o)

Seriously, I wonder where I could get a geiger counter and go through Safeway, Krogers, Publix and see if it starts crackling when I get to the Charlie the Tuna aisle.


27 posted on 08/26/2013 10:18:00 PM PDT by Sioux-san (riv)
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To: Wonder Warthog

True what you say - but this should be something that can be scientifically proven one way or the other whether the fish are contaminated on the west coast of the US - right?


28 posted on 08/26/2013 10:19:12 PM PDT by Sioux-san (riv)
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To: Errant

Unfortunately there really hasn’t been much actual objective
research done on the issue of contamination in the Pacific and it’s effects on the food chain. We dumped enormous
amounts of radioactive material into the Pacific during
weapons testing a half century ago and what little research
has been done supports the contention that the Pacific has
done an excellent job at diluting and dispersing these isotopes so that the overall effect has been minimal.

This is an area where what little “research” that is being done is being done and offered up by agenda driven pseudo scientists.

ANY article that does not mention specific isotopes in specific amounts measured in either Curies or Bequerels
per unit of measure is not research, not science and not
even decent journalism.

A proper report on the subject would describe in great detail the methodology of the project before ANY discussion of possible outcomes or issues.


29 posted on 08/26/2013 10:48:04 PM PDT by nvscanman
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To: nvscanman

Yeah, that’s what I’m seeing. Something needs to be done about that. Who would be the agency to do it, that the world could trust?


30 posted on 08/26/2013 10:55:18 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

I’ve been floating for years. I thought it was just old-age.


31 posted on 08/26/2013 11:04:04 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: Texas Songwriter

Now you know. ;)


32 posted on 08/26/2013 11:08:08 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

Bummer, man. I had chalked it up to the inevitability of growing old gracefully. That is not to say these old floaters are graceful. But at least I thought it was th natural ebb of my own tidal flow. Now you tell me I am afflicted with....what....a repository of genius and good looks turned a malady from deep sea fishes. I find it disappointing to my legacy. Could it actually be true? Could it be that sac which slightly deviated left could have taken on the characteristic and efficacy of helium Tell me it aint so. Tell me it aint so.


33 posted on 08/26/2013 11:28:35 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: Texas Songwriter

Look on the bright side, you’ll probably get an urge to write songs for a whole new genre. :)


34 posted on 08/26/2013 11:44:22 PM PDT by Errant
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To: nvscanman

This is constant influx of heavily contaminated water flowing daily into the pacific for over two years - it exceeds the nuclear tests in the ocean.
I used to work as a marine biologist because I didn’t want our country to overfish and kill off us fisheries the way other countries had - ironic to see you just sneer that an academic must have an ‘axe to grind’ and is an agenda driven pseudo scientist. I assume you have proof of this? Because I have yet to see nuke apologists respect the word of anyone except nuclear industry employees. ALL those physicians conducting medical research since the 50’s and all those marine biologists - just a massive coverup or photo op, yeah?
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You say:
ANY article that does not mention specific isotopes in specific amounts measured in either Curies or Bequerels
per unit of measure is not research, not science and not
even decent journalism.
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Your choice of units seems iffy - particularly since nuke apologists like to bray that beqs are “completely meaningless’ when talking about dosimetry. This scientist reported visual changes in fish stock that should be examined and probably doesn’t have the equipment and knowledge to test for all the necessary isotopes (requires a variety of specialized equipment and training.) But the starting point is to observe bleeding fish and have them tested for bacterial, viral, chemical, radiological agents.

5 months after Fukushima, Woods Hole marine biologists found small amounts of Fukushima radiation in 13 out of 13 fish tested in San Diego (yeah...let’s just assume they are sneaky academics with an agenda). So why wouldn’t the concentration be higher about 2.5 years later, given continuous dumping?

Don’t worry, if they find out that the origin of bleeding is related in any way to radiologic exposure, you can always show up and insist it’s from those 1950’s tests or something. There’s always a way to imply that the massive plume of contaminated water from Fukushima shown in the computer models is really just a secret wish on the part of fishermen to raise the price of tuna or something.

I think it’s good to keep our eyes open and test.


35 posted on 08/26/2013 11:45:04 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: The_Media_never_lie
We certainly are all going to die......

LOL!

Yep. It is, however, a question of when that will happen.

36 posted on 08/26/2013 11:50:59 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Errant

If a song did come while I watched two fading and remorseful floaters appear in the bathtub it could only be sung by George Jones....He sang “Today, He Stopped Loving Her Today”.....considered the most mournful and sad song every sung by a country singer. Dying family jewels don’t inspire me very much. I wouldn’t even try. And I am a specialist in sad country songs. You should hear one of my latest,....”Finally Gone”. Perhaps that will be the song when my once-glorious vintage cods turn to a black-eyed pea. How utterly sad to contemplate.


37 posted on 08/26/2013 11:54:58 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: Texas Songwriter

I was thinking something in the style of say Slim Whitman. I remember you - for example. lol


38 posted on 08/26/2013 11:59:03 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Texas Songwriter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH64weKPF60
39 posted on 08/27/2013 12:00:44 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

Come on now. I’m better than that. I would send you an album or two if I knew how to transmit it on this damn computer.


40 posted on 08/27/2013 12:05:55 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: lbryce

The only good part about lutefisk is that your hands will never be cleaner than after making a batch


41 posted on 08/27/2013 12:16:27 AM PDT by llevrok ("It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words....." - Geo. Orwell)
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To: Errant
"Full scale studies need doing."

No they don't. The effects of radiation on every possible subject were done in the immediate aftermath of WWII and continuing on into the current day. The effects of radiation are known probably better than any other physical effect.

This is just like the die-off of Spanish Moss down in Louisiana during the mid-1960's. That was blamed on air pollution. Turned out to be a virus. The susceptible moss died and the immune moss re-grew. But the eco-jackasses in the meanwhile used the idle speculation to foster their agenda.

42 posted on 08/27/2013 3:25:55 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Sioux-san
"True what you say - but this should be something that can be scientifically proven one way or the other whether the fish are contaminated on the west coast of the US - right?"

It should be, but it won't. The eco-nuts will blather and obfuscate about the "possible" dire effects, all the while churning out articles just like this with zero actual measurement information so folks can reliably make up their own minds. You don't actually think the news media would publish something detrimental to the agenda of the left, do you??

43 posted on 08/27/2013 3:29:08 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
As I said above, it could be biological. Whatever it is, it needs a serious looking into when it starts affecting fish populations to the degree that's being reported above (e.g., historically low Salmon runs).

The way this government wastes funny money, a few hundred thousand dollar grants to several diverse groups, isn't going to hurt our credit rating any worse.

Radiological contamination from atomic weapons is certainly different from a reactor meltdown. I'm no expert, but would imagine the actual containments, their quantity, and dispersal vary greatly.

Let's get some trustworthy experts on scene and so they can determine the extinct of what we're facing, then let the world know!

44 posted on 08/27/2013 5:53:48 AM PDT by Errant
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To: ransomnote

Becquerels are NOT meaningless...they are just one of the
measures of dose that are used. They are interchangeable with Curies. One Bq is basically nuclear disintegration
per second. A Curie is 37 GigaBq, just another standard
for measuring “how much radiation this lump of material
has” as opposed to how much dose a person may or may not
be receiving.

People are panicking over numbers they don’t understand.


45 posted on 08/27/2013 6:03:19 AM PDT by nvscanman
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To: Errant
"Whatever it is, it needs a serious looking into when it starts affecting fish populations to the degree that's being reported above (e.g., historically low Salmon runs)."

Low salmon runs long predate Fukushima. I now live in Washington state, and this is discussed FREQUENTLY up here.

"The way this government wastes funny money, a few hundred thousand dollar grants to several diverse groups, isn't going to hurt our credit rating any worse.

Un-needed. There are agencies of all sorts that have lab facilities capable of these kinds of measurements. Or, the interested party could simply take some samples to the nearest university.....virtually every university has capability to do nuclear measurements.

Or simply buy a Geiger-Mueller counter. The stuff most often mentioned is Cs-137, which emits gamma rays....which just happen to be what GM tubes detect most easily. They are NOT that expensive..a quick check shows Edmunds Scientifics selling a portable GM unit for $390. Get a calibration source for Cs-137 for a few more bucks, and have at it.

"Radiological contamination from atomic weapons is certainly different from a reactor meltdown. I'm no expert, but would imagine the actual containments, their quantity, and dispersal vary greatly."

True. The biggest difference is that stuff from weapons depends on where the weapon was detonated (air burst, underground, or under water).

"Let's get some trustworthy experts on scene and so they can determine the extinct of what we're facing, then let the world know!"

So, tell me which experts are "trustworthy"?? Most gov't departments these days have been largely taken over by the "green agenda" (especially so during this current administration). "I" certainly wouldn't put much credence in their output. Look at global warming.

46 posted on 08/27/2013 6:42:32 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: ransomnote

“Your choice of units seems iffy - particularly since nuke apologists like to bray that beqs are “completely meaningless’ when talking about dosimetry.”

The measurement is for the amount of radioactivity present. What units would you prefer?


47 posted on 08/27/2013 6:54:50 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: The_Media_never_lie

A 100% certainty...


48 posted on 08/27/2013 9:25:33 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: ransomnote

We were just up in SE Alaska near Sitka, and the fisheries folks (in that area, including the ops in Chatham Straight) had postings of what the commercial fishing ops and canneries need to be mindful and watchful for...

I never gave it much thought till I saw this thread...

So I believe the right people are watching this closely, and I consider their observations way more credible than a journalists...


49 posted on 08/27/2013 9:35:06 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: nvscanman

I understand that beqs are not meaningless, it’s just I got tired of nuke apologists shrieking that “people don’t understand the numbers” and “beqs are meaningless” in order to silence all conversation.

I haven’t seen anyone panicking. I’ve seen discussion and concern.


50 posted on 08/27/2013 11:07:52 AM PDT by ransomnote
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