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Daily Mail ^ | August 28, 2013 | Amanda Williams and Jill Reilly

Posted on 08/28/2013 4:26:21 AM PDT by maggief

The U.S is confident that Syria was behind the deadly chemical weapons attack after intercepting a phone call from a Syrian defence chief demanding an explanation from its chemical weapon military unit for the action, according to new claims.

Just hours after the attack last Wednesday an official at the Syrian Ministry of Defense exchanged panicked phone calls with a leader of the unit, demanding answers, according to website Foreign Policy.

The phone call was intercepted by U.S spies according to the website, and is now the reason that America is confident that it was carried out by the regime.

The US and its allies are gearing up for a probable military strike against Syria that could come within days and would be the most aggressive action by Western powers in the Middle Eastern nation's two-and-a-half-year civil war.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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U.S. spies certain Assad used nerve gas 'after intercepting phone call from panicking Syrian defence chief demanding an explanation from its chemical weapon military unit'

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1 posted on 08/28/2013 4:26:21 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief
The U.S is confident that Syria was behind the deadly chemical weapons attack after intercepting a phone call from a Syrian defence chief demanding an explanation from its chemical weapon military unit for the action, according to new claims.

OK, IF true (and that's a big IF), then the Syrian government neither ordered nor authorized the chemical strike. So why all this talk of war if the solution is to let Assad's people identify the rogue officer(s) and execute him/them publicly?

2 posted on 08/28/2013 4:28:38 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

Good point. Plus, what was the response from the team?


3 posted on 08/28/2013 4:30:58 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: maggief
U.S. spies certain Assad used nerve gas 'after intercepting phone call from panicking Syrian defence chief demanding an explanation from its chemical weapon military unit'

Another article for the Fiction Section................

4 posted on 08/28/2013 4:31:01 AM PDT by varon ( cum tyrannis para bellum)
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To: Timber Rattler

“So why all this talk of war if the solution is to let Assad’s people identify the rogue officer(s) and execute him/them publicly? “

Uhm...never let a crisis go to waste?

The problems with portioning out the gas agents to many sources of control is that they might either be used without orders or in desperation, or that they will be captured and used in a false flag operation or against your own forces.

One or more of these bad outcomes became a certainty when Assad moved the gas to many locations to prevent effective bombing.


5 posted on 08/28/2013 4:32:23 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Timber Rattler

Exactly right! IF this report is true then the Obamabots know that it was not an authorized action. Allow the specific perps to be dealt with, don’t start a freakin’ war over it.......


6 posted on 08/28/2013 4:32:27 AM PDT by Enchante
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To: maggief

This information actually supports the False Flag operation hypothesis.


7 posted on 08/28/2013 4:33:08 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Timber Rattler

A rogue commander - especially one in charge of WMD’s - is bad news; think “Dr. Strangelove” and General Jack D. Ripper.

It could also mean that the chinless opthamologist really doesn’t have command of his military, or at least there’s no proper chain of command for the deployment/authorization of WMD use. Pretty slipshod, in my book, but perhaps that’s just the nature of Syria’s military command structure.

I would imagine that a partial transcript of that conversation would included the memorable line, “YOU JUST DID WHAT?! WTF? SERIOUSLY! S**T!!”


8 posted on 08/28/2013 4:35:29 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: maggief

This is damned thin evidence...almost invisible.
The same call might have been made if the rebels used the gas.

Israel listens to Syrian rf traffic from Mt Hermon, I wonder if they also intercepted such a call?


9 posted on 08/28/2013 4:35:52 AM PDT by Bobalu (Bobo the Wonder Marxist leads Operation Rodeo Clown against Syria)
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To: varon; Timber Rattler

True. But, this looks like a deliberate leak ... FP is a division of the WaPo, a WH tool. Weak.

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/08/27/exclusive_us_spies_say_intercepted_calls_prove_syrias_army_used_nerve_gas

But the intercept raises questions about culpability for the chemical massacre, even as it answers others: Was the attack on Aug. 21 the work of a Syrian officer overstepping his bounds? Or was the strike explicitly directed by senior members of the Assad regime? “It’s unclear where control lies,” one U.S. intelligence official told The Cable. “Is there just some sort of general blessing to use these things? Or are there explicit orders for each attack?”


10 posted on 08/28/2013 4:36:06 AM PDT by maggief
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To: Timber Rattler

and if they don’t?


11 posted on 08/28/2013 4:36:14 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: maggief
The U.S is confident that Syria was behind the deadly chemical weapons attack after intercepting a phone call from a Syrian defence chief demanding an explanation from its chemical weapon military unit for the action

So they're confident that Syria was behind it, while providing evidence that they weren't.

12 posted on 08/28/2013 4:37:38 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: HollyB

Good point. Plus, what was the response from the team?


Probably, that is was not them using the weapons


13 posted on 08/28/2013 4:38:53 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Enchante

But this is all about Obama “looking tough”, not truth and what makes sense.


14 posted on 08/28/2013 4:41:08 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: maggief

Half assed cover story from the Phoney Regime.


15 posted on 08/28/2013 4:43:45 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: FreedomPoster

This is about an excuse to weaken their military, so the rebels can get an upper hand.


16 posted on 08/28/2013 4:43:51 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: maggief
Wow, this is weak "evidence". So, let's say you're the Syrian Military Commander. Evidence starts rolling in that there was a nerve gas attack, one you know you didn't order. Wouldn't the natural response be to pick up the phone and call the head of the chemical weapons division and find out what the heck was going on? And don't you think you'd be a little "panicked" since you know you're in a boatload of trouble if the attack was launched on your watch?

This does not rise to the standard of proof.

17 posted on 08/28/2013 4:48:12 AM PDT by cincinnati65
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To: maggief

And this makes our spying look effective....a win/win for our feckless “leader.”
Who but the most gullible among us believes anything they “leak” for his benefit?


18 posted on 08/28/2013 4:48:23 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: penelopesire; thouworm; MestaMachine

Ping.
#

Other developments:

REUTERS:

Russia says too early for U.N. resolution on Syria attack

Hugo Dixon @Hugodixon
2 With Ban-Ki Moon saying inspectors need time and French MPs not voting until Sept 4, UK MPs don’t need to rush. #syria

6:45 AM

Hugo Dixon @Hugodixon
1. UK MPs should delay a vote on #Syria until UN inspectors have finished job and US has published its evidence that Assad is culprit

Agence France-Presse @AFP 27m

#BREAKING US rules out unilateral military action against Syria: official

Agence France-Presse @AFP 53m

#BREAKING Security Council clearance needed before Syria military strike: UN envoy

RT:

11:17 GMT: Saudi Arabia’s armed forces have been placed on high alert amid widespread expectations that Western governments are planning to carry out a military strike against Syria in the coming days.

11:14 GMT: The French parliament is to hold an extraordinary session later Wednesday to discuss the situation in Syria, Reuters cited government spokeswoman Najat Vallaud-Belkacem as saying. “The president has taken the decision to summon parliament on Wednesday to assess the situation in Syria,” she said after a Cabinet meeting.

10:59 GMT: German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle urged members of the UN Security Council, including Russia, to back the UK resolution on Syria expected to be proposed later Wednesday. The resolution will condemn the chemical weapon attacks allegedly carried out by the Assad government and authorize “necessary measures” to protect civilians.

10:32 GMT: The UN’s Syria envoy, Lakhdar Brahimi, said that international law is clear that a Security Council resolution is required for military action.

10:16 GMT: American and British warships deployed in the eastern Mediterranean may carry out a strike on Syria using cruise missiles as soon as in the early hours of Friday, according to Fox News quoting unknown military sources.

9:40 GMT: Israeli intelligence has reportedly intercepted a conversation between Syrian officials concerning the use of chemical weapons, an unnamed former Mossad official told German magazine Focus. The content of the conversation was relayed to the US, the ex-official underlined.

9:20 GMT: The UK has drafted a resolution condemning the chemical weapons attack allegedly carried out by Bashar Assad forces and authorizing “necessary measures” to protect civilian population. The document is to be presented later on Wednesday at a meeting of the five permanent members of the Security Council in New York.

9:16 GMT: UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has said that the UN inspection team in Syria needs “time to do its job.”

7:37 GMT: An al-Qaeda linked group has threatened a ‘volcano of revenge’ against the Syrian government and military targets in retaliation for the suspected chemical weapons attack in a Damascus suburb last week, Reuters reports.


19 posted on 08/28/2013 4:49:49 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

Then play the tape.

Make your case for war, Mr. Obama, because I do not believe a damn thing you or any one under you says.


20 posted on 08/28/2013 4:50:12 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: maggief

This is a very strange source to cite as “proof”

Mr Kerry, if the Syrian Defence Chief was out of the loop on the CW attack, so was Assad! This is not a govt where a General who is part of the regime does ANYTHING without being ordered to do so

So this tends to confirm Assad and his generals were not the ones who ordered this attack

Smells like false flag, ever more


21 posted on 08/28/2013 4:50:22 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: maggief

Gee what if this is true? Can’t believe anything from these people.


22 posted on 08/28/2013 4:55:16 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: varon

Benghazi: tape. Syria: phone call.


23 posted on 08/28/2013 4:57:38 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: maggief

I can’t get the link to work,even on their page.


24 posted on 08/28/2013 4:59:11 AM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
Pretty slipshod, in my book, but perhaps that’s just the nature of Syria’s military command structure.

Well, it is an Arab military system after all.

25 posted on 08/28/2013 4:59:30 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: HollyB

My first thought too...Ok so you intercepted a paniced phone call...what if the answer was a “damnedifiknow”?

too neat...too pat.

i am not buying this at all.


26 posted on 08/28/2013 4:59:59 AM PDT by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: wiggen
and if they don’t?

And then I still say we stay out of it.

27 posted on 08/28/2013 5:00:40 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: txrefugee

Not our spying, but Israeli spying. The Obungo regime already let slip that the bulk of our intelligence on Syria is coming from the Israelis.


28 posted on 08/28/2013 5:02:27 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: MestaMachine; penelopesire; thouworm

???

VIA REUTERS:

6:51 AM
Dan Williams @DanWilliams
RT @HaraldDoornbos : U can see for yourself which ships are sailing close to Syria. Blue dot off coast is US war vessel. Zoom in to check: h…

Harald Doornbos @HaraldDoornbos 25 Aug

U can see for yourself which ships are sailing close to Syria. Blue dot off coast is US war vessel. Zoom in to check: http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx?level0=100

http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx?level0=100


29 posted on 08/28/2013 5:03:11 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

Oh, so it was an accident. Actually, that’s very believable—some field commander is getting over-run and gets desperate.


30 posted on 08/28/2013 5:06:23 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: fatima

Hmm ... link is working for me. Can you open the FP link in post #10?


31 posted on 08/28/2013 5:08:07 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief
There is only one reason that Obama is gonna bomb Syria...

He wants to help Al Jazeera America increase their ratings..

32 posted on 08/28/2013 5:12:50 AM PDT by ken5050 (2014 Tea Party Trifecta! Retire Mitch, Lamar, and Lindsey)
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To: maggief

Yes,Thanks:)


33 posted on 08/28/2013 5:12:54 AM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: maggief; ScaniaBoy; annieokie; penelopesire; Protect the Bill of Rights; thouworm; SE Mom; ...

Setting up is an understatement.

JUST POSTED

Syria: Thousands Suffering Neurotoxic Symptoms Treated in Hospitals Supported by MSF
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 8:04:50 AM · 13 of 13
MestaMachine to ScaniaBoy
Guess what. EVERY single image of the tunnels which were in a guardian story that I POSTED MYSELF are gone along with the same various images on other news sites, including cnn, that speaks to the tunnels under Damascus suburbs. SOME small snippets remain on a few videos, but all they show is the entrance to one tunnel.
THIS:

http://shoebat.com/2013/08/27/evidence-syrian-rebels-used-chemical-weapons-not-assad/

is the closest set of vids I can find now and all the stories under the tunnel headline have changed including the one I posted. The western press now only showing dead bodies in place of the images that showed the tunnels. This is quite amazing.
This development convinces me even more that assad did not do this. They are setting up rhe news stories to conform to what the regime is saying, and doing the same in Britain.


34 posted on 08/28/2013 5:15:10 AM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work, You gotta earn them.)
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To: MestaMachine
Setting up

Full agreement ... a setup is being run. Lord only knows where this setup goes. zer0 crowd all in for starting something.

35 posted on 08/28/2013 5:17:19 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Timber Rattler

i agree with that but the best way to assure that is for Assad to turn over whomever. Barring that we should let the Hague or UN start proceedings. Hell that could take a year and then we see if Assad turns over ant party found guilty. Seems to me he has an easy out here. Someone did it, we’re investigating.


36 posted on 08/28/2013 5:17:39 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

A rogue commander - especially one in charge of WMD’s, think Asst Attorney General Holder and the Waco massacre!


37 posted on 08/28/2013 5:19:27 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: maggief

I don’t believe a word of it. This is false flag on steroids.


38 posted on 08/28/2013 5:20:24 AM PDT by DeWalt
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To: maggief

“US spies intercepted phone call”....ROTFL!! Are you serious? You think they use version to communicate their war plans? This is getting to be embarrassing people.


39 posted on 08/28/2013 5:21:44 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: MestaMachine

This sounds like a job for archived copies or the wayback machine.


40 posted on 08/28/2013 5:23:46 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: MestaMachine

McCain again ...

http://www.mediaite.com/uncategorized/mccain-to-fox-friends-why-is-obama-telling-assad-whats-going-to-be-attacked/

McCain to Fox & Friends: Why Is Obama Telling Assad What’s Going to be Attacked?

EXCERPT

McCain began by saying that the White House made a mistake in not pursuing a punitive strategy with Syria after they first used chemical weapons when Obama had declared that a “red line” for the United States. “He crossed that red line and I think he was then encouraged to do more since he was not held to account for his previous breaches,” McCain said of Assad.

He went on to criticize the president for broadcasting his military strategy via leaks in the press.

“All of these leaks, when strikes are going to take place, what’s going to be used,” McCain said with exasperation. “If I were Bashar al-Assad, I think I would declare tomorrow a snow day and keep everything from work.”

“This is crazy,” McCain added. “These leaks are just crazy.”

Asked about some of the Islamist elements in the Syrian opposition, McCain agreed that the rebels did have some extremist elements. However, he pressed back strongly against the suggestion that Syria’s rebel forces were linked with Al Qaeda.

“Look, I met these people,” McCain said. “I went into Syria. I know general [Salem] Idris. He’s not a radical, nor are the people that work for him.”

McCain concluded by saying that he believed that the War Powers Act was “murky” on whether the president needs to seeks Congressional consent to strike Syria. He said, however, that Obama should be consulting with Congress before taking action.


41 posted on 08/28/2013 5:23:54 AM PDT by maggief
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

It could also mean that MB has infiltrated the Syrian military


42 posted on 08/28/2013 5:23:59 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Earthdweller

Right up there with the AQ conference call and the Benghazi video. : o /


43 posted on 08/28/2013 5:24:59 AM PDT by maggief
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To: wiggen

The phone call as reported doesn’t show that anyone in Assad’s regime carried out the attack.


44 posted on 08/28/2013 5:26:03 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: Earthdweller
You think they use Verizon to communicate their war plans? ROTFL..again.
45 posted on 08/28/2013 5:29:06 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: Enchante

He needs a big war. He is setting up the Islamic anti christ...I believe. Don’t think Obama realizes this, but the bible prophecies are all coming to pass and Damascus will be glass soon.


46 posted on 08/28/2013 5:31:42 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Timber Rattler

Yep. Makes sense that they infiltrated that part of Assad’s military in order to carry out the strike that we’re using as a pretext to start to deliver Syria to the MB/Al-Qaeda.

We already have the leaked emails referring to a false flag attack being our plan, then we’ve got the UN bizarrely going in to confirm that chemical weapons were used—but not to identify who was responsible for the attack. Finally, we’ve got the Obama/MB administration declaring Assad unquestionably responsible as their justification for direct military involvement.

Putin I think is correct about that monkey with a hand grenade.


47 posted on 08/28/2013 5:34:59 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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The FIRST use of chem weapons is a huge commitment. Had they actually made that commitment, they would have used them continuously since.

It also makes no sense whatsoever to expend high value weapons like that on anything other than highly concentrated military targets / troop concentrations.

Al Queerda did it.


48 posted on 08/28/2013 5:35:08 AM PDT by misanthrope (Liberalism; it is not unthinking ignorance, it is malignant evil.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

I would imagine that a partial transcript of that conversation would included the memorable line, “YOU JUST DID WHAT?! WTF? SERIOUSLY! S**T!!”... I think more along the lines of “ Did you a—holes just gas a bunch of civilians!!!? “ No sir, T’waren’t us.” Intelligence just deleted the reply.


49 posted on 08/28/2013 5:39:32 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: maggief

How do we know the calls weren’t faked? Iran has demonstrated the capability to take down our drones through electronic warfare.

How do we know the Syrian military wasn’t infiltrated?

How do we know our own government didn’t fabricate the evidence?

The whole thing stinks to high heaven. Attacking Syria has no strategic justification whatsoever. We are backing a rebel force of dark age barbarians whom we have fought against in other areas of the world. Bashar al-Assad has been in power for twelve years, he is the son of Hafez al-Assad who held power for almost 30 years. He knows how to play the game. His forces were routing the rebels, there is no way he would launch a chemical attack and piss off the whole world.


50 posted on 08/28/2013 5:40:01 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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