Posted on 08/30/2013 11:39:05 AM PDT by grundle
Four children, ages 7 to 14, have been forcibly taken from their home by police armed with a battering ram, and their parents have been told they won’t see them again soon, all over the issue of homeschooling, according to a stunning new report from the Home School Legal Defense Association.
HSLDA, the world’s premiere advocate for homeschoolers, said the family of Dirk and Petra Wunderlich has battled for several years Germany’s World War II-era requirement that all children submit to the indoctrination programs in the nation’s public schools.
The shocking raid was made solely because the parents were providing their children’s education. HSLDA discovered the paperwork that authorized police officers and social workers to use force on the children contained no claims of mistreatment.
“The children were taken to unknown locations,” HSLDA said. “Officials ominously promised the parents that they would not be seeing their children anytime soon.”
The raid, which took place Thursday at 8 a.m. as the children were beginning their day’s classes, has been described by observers as “brutal and vicious.”
A team of 20 social workers, police and special agents stormed the family’s Darmstadt, Germany, home. HSLDA reported a Judge Koenig, who is assigned to the Darmstadt family court, signed an order authorizing the immediate seizure of the children by force.
“Citing the parents’ failure to cooperate ‘with the authorities to send the children to school,’ the judge also authorized the use of force ‘against the children’ … reasoning that such force might be required because the children had ‘adopted the parents’ opinions’ regarding homeschooling and that ‘no cooperation could be expected’ from either the parents or the children,” HSLDA said.
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You ARE on it.
I’d like to think that government is not toying with anything behind my back. I’d like to think that there is some degree of fear in government circles of what would happen if government goes too far. I’d like to think that neighbors would help were government to arrive at my door attempting to perpetrate dastardly deeds.
Well d’uh!!! Lol.
If you think all those things are true, you would be very naive to the point of pollyanna=ish. Obama has shown how easy it is to turn a neutral government into a tool to be used against the people. And we have Congress to thank for creating dozens of alphabet agencies and giving them the power to make laws and then putting them under the charge of the president, who may misuse them at will.
Everything bad is ‘Hitler’. Or ‘RASSISSM’. Sigh!
I said, I’d like to think.
Amen and Amen.
It is also interesting that in far too many places the police get their jollies from interfering in the lives of decent citizens going about their business but are too afraid to deal with the real problems.
Example: Raid on homeschoolers. Is that really the biggest problem in that town? No gangs? No drugs? No burglary/theft? No vandalism?
I know of a small town in the US (and I bet there are many just like it) that has been invaded by illegals and thugs from other states. They have taken over one area of town that is infested with drugs and violence. The police never go there because it’s dangerous. Instead, they spend their time raising revenue by writing traffic tickets for little old ladies who fail to signal when turning into the church parking lot for a bake sale or young moms who fail to stop for a full 3 seconds at a stop sign because the kid in the back seat has to pee. Yep, can’t let those dangerous and reckless drivers get away with flouting the traffic laws.
I don’t mean to get off topic, but it’s part of the same pattern. Attack the decent citizens over petty issues and let the thugs get away with murder - literally.
I hate Illinois Nazis.
This is not a petty issue. This is an attack on decent citizens for them being decent, petty issues being a decoy. The drug and crime enablement at the same time is another prong of the same attack.
I wonder how many people know this, and understand what the "real world" implications of it are?
Scary stuff.
Thanks. So the cumpuslory school laws existed for a long time, fine. But in comment 18 you quote that it isn’t really cumpulsory, and not after 6th grade even. So why were these children taken from parents? And the family in the US left for the same reason? There is something missing here. Maybe the German gov considers parents teaching their children not “sufficiently provided for by other means”? One would have to know precedents, if they every allow home schooling, etc. The “sufficiently provided etc” could easily mean for a sick child who can’t go to school, private schools, etc.
Rough translation: All children shall attend primary school, unless their education is sufficiently provided for by other means.
Link to the full text of the law: http://www.verfassungen.de/de/de33-45/schulpflicht38.htm
The text is in German obviously, but you can run it through the Google translator or somesuch.
Note also that the compulsory schooling expressly concerns only primary school - grades 1 to 4. Secondary schooling was not compulsory under that law.
My point was/is that school laws were not invented by the Nazis. I understand that writers on this subject cite only the Nazis, because that is an easy way to generate outrage/sympathy. Anything that can be tied to the Nazis is evil by definition. An easy score.
If German parents do not want to send their kids to public schools, there are alternatives. Private/parochial(both catholic and protestant)/Waldorf/Montessori schools - as long as they are board certified to ensure some minimum education standards. Straight homeschooling in the American mold, no. That much is certainly true. Few developed countries allow that.
I agree that this brandishing of the nazi scareword is idiotic.
I also understand that in Germany, like in most countries there are multiple options of schooling for the parents to choose.
Do you understand that choosing an option that is not government-certified for one’s own children is a fundamental human right? Nothing prevents the government from putting forth a standard that a home school must comply to, but in Germany, it appears, that is not an option. That is horrible. Further, the penalty is not something proportional to this limited form of non-violent civil disobedience, but rather abduction of the children by government thugs by force. That is grotesquely wrong.
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Germany and any other country where homeschooling is illegal, sucks!
And therein lies the rub, doesn't it? Parents' rights vs. children's rights (protection from *possibly* bad parents, unless you consider children mere chattel -as in the muslim world- that don't have fundamental human rights of their own).
I cannot provide an answer to that conundrum that would satisfy you. If anything, perhaps we can agree on that children deserve a decent education to enable them to lead a successful and happy life of their own. However that may be achieved.
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