5,800 denied Wisconsin concealed-carry permits — only 1 fighting it

Milwaukee J-S ^ | 03 sept 2013 | Bruce Vielmetti

[rellimpank]

Wisconsin has issued nearly 200,000 permits to carry concealed firearms since Act 35 took effect in late 2011, while turning down about 5,800 requests.

Only one of those who were denied a permit has appealed that decision, according the state Department of Justice, and if he prevails it could clear the way for those with certain domestic violence convictions to legally carry hidden guns.

Congress in 1996 banned people convicted of domestic violence from possessing guns, and some gun rights advocates have challenged the reach of the so-called Lautenberg Amendment ever since.

Citing the federal ban, Wisconsin's Department of Justice, which administers the concealed-carry law, denied Robert W. Evans Jr. a permit in April 2012 because he had been convicted in 2002 of domestic violence/disorderly conduct.

As Act 35 provides, Evans appealed the denial to circuit court, arguing the offense isn't a misdemeanor crime of violence under federal law and that he didn't have a domestic relationship with the victim — his 36-year-old stepdaughter — under the federal definition.

[marktwain]

I think he should have included a Second Amendment element in his appeal. Merely pushing an adult and pleading to disorderly conduct is a ridiculously low bar for losing a Constitutionally guaranteed right.

[DoodleDawg]

So in other words of those applying for concealed carry over 97% are granted the permit to do so. Those aren’t bad odds and it’d be intersting to see how they compare with other states.

[JimRed]

Those aren’t bad odds and it’d be interesting to see how they compare with other states.

I'd wager that New Jersey figures would be about the opposite, 97% denial. I tried to research it a while back but could not find data on applications/approvals.

[rellimpank]

-—and furthermore , none of the terrible events predicted by the media-gunfights at every stoplight, shootouts constantly as a result of minor arguments, etc., —have happened -—

[rellimpank]

—ping—

[MaxMax]

You could request the info. But they'll edit it first.

[DoodleDawg]

-—and furthermore , none of the terrible events predicted by the media-gunfights at every stoplight, shootouts constantly as a result of minor arguments, etc., —have happened -—

Wait'll the liberals start getting them. You'll have people getting blown away for cutting in the line at Starbucks.

[afraidfortherepublic]

Conceled carry update.

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping ist.

[afraidfortherepublic]

Conceled carry update.

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping ist.

[afraidfortherepublic]

Conceled = concealed

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

Domestic violence cases are problematic, because protection orders are disobeyed a lot, and mostly abused women often don’t realize that protection orders work both ways, that they do not have the “control” to allow the man back if they feel like, or kick him out if they don’t. He is out and has to stay out.

For “repeat offenders”, almost always men that ignore protection orders, the best resolution is a bench order from the judge *requiring* the woman to be armed with a loaded gun. I knew of a judge sick of the same women appearing before him again and again with progressively worse injuries, who did this, and the number of repeated cases dropped to zero.

Unfortunately, when he retired, the policy was discontinued by his successor.

[rellimpank]

--and the near "zero" rate of appeals is surprising , too-

-IIRC, during the recent Colorado flap saw that 60% of denials there are overturned on appeal---

[onedoug]

I’ve been so busy registering for my others under the Bill Of Rights, that I forgot to register this one. What a shame.