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Barack Obama is heading for a humiliating defeat over Syria:
Telegraph ^ | Sep 6 2013 | Nile Gardiner

Posted on 09/06/2013 2:20:51 AM PDT by kingattax

Politico has an eye-opening piece today revealing the extent to which the White House is staring defeat in the face over Syria. According to the influential Washington-based publication, President Obama doesn’t have the votes in the House of Representatives to secure a win, with large-scale opposition among Republicans, and lukewarm backing among Democrats:

If the House voted today on a resolution to attack Syria, President Barack Obama would lose — and lose big. That’s the private assessment of House Republican and Democratic lawmakers and aides who are closely involved in the process.

If the Senate passes a use-of-force resolution next week — which is no sure thing — the current dynamics suggest that the House would defeat it. That would represent a dramatic failure for Obama, and once again prove that his sway over Congress is extraordinarily limited.

The loss would have serious reverberations throughout the next three months, when Obama faces off against Congress in a series of high-stakes fiscal battles.

If Obama doesn’t get Congressional backing for military action, he could still go ahead with strikes against Syria, but it would be a huge political gamble. It would probably be a bridge too far for a president with sinking approval ratings, and his party facing crucial midterm elections in 2014.

A defeat in Congress would be a massive blow to the Obama presidency, as well as to the president’s personal credibility, and could well amount to the biggest humiliation of his career so far.

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1 posted on 09/06/2013 2:20:51 AM PDT by kingattax
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2 posted on 09/06/2013 2:25:13 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: kingattax

If we want America to KEEP any credibility, the Congress will DEFEAT this insanity!!


3 posted on 09/06/2013 2:30:25 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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The idiot and stupid red line.


4 posted on 09/06/2013 2:32:45 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric

It’s mostly what you would expect from a college professor-pretending to be more than what he is. I think Gringrich would have done the screw-up....if he was President. Once you hint of something....you usually need to carry it out.


5 posted on 09/06/2013 2:35:06 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: kingattax

I’m not falling for it - every time I read that the Republicans are going to stand up to the Bozo in Chief, they fold. Nope, not getting my hopes up. My new motto - aim low, avoid disappointment.


6 posted on 09/06/2013 2:35:51 AM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: Gene Eric

What personal credibility? Is this from the Onion?


7 posted on 09/06/2013 2:36:27 AM PDT by wewereright
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To: kingattax


8 posted on 09/06/2013 2:36:43 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: kingattax

“Barack Obama is heading for a humiliating defeat over Syria:”
Barack Obama is heading for a humiliating beat down over Syria:
Just like the way I said it better.
Well I can imagine still can’t I?


9 posted on 09/06/2013 2:37:51 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) ( Hey Rubio, eat pooh pal))
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To: Tennessee Nana

woot! this made my morning!


10 posted on 09/06/2013 2:41:33 AM PDT by ronniesgal (First obama, now Weiner....Bill Clinton is starting to look like a good guy.)
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To: kingattax

11 posted on 09/06/2013 2:43:19 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: pepsionice

A serious person can stand down with confidence. Assholes kill for their inadequacies.


12 posted on 09/06/2013 2:47:38 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: kingattax
A defeat in Congress would be a massive blow to the Obama presidency, as well as to the president’s personal credibility, and could well amount to the biggest humiliation of his career so far.

A great cause for celebration in my opinion.

13 posted on 09/06/2013 2:48:08 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: Ann Archy
accusing Assad of using chemical weapons when there is much more credible evidence that this was done by "rebels" is not even close to a good reason to attack Syria and risk WW3.

that lunatic mccain calls the rebels "freedom fighters" but in reality they are radical muzzies who are part of al-qaeda- the ENEMIES of America and are most likely being paid by the saudis to get rid of assad.

all of these idiots in DC who support attacking syria are in effect supporting al-qaeda and should be tried for treason beginning with that anti-American strunze who has contaminated the oval office.

14 posted on 09/06/2013 2:48:50 AM PDT by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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To: kingattax

Amen!! Assad did NOT do the chemical weapons release....he had NOTHING to gain from it....he was winning!!


15 posted on 09/06/2013 2:51:26 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: kingattax

so obama loses the vote to make congress his accomplices in an attack on Syria, or the vote is never held because he would lose it

what happens THE NEXT DAY?

what happens when an angry petulant obama has to face his real job - getting congress to approve even more debt so he can continue to run the economy into the ground or shut down the govt. Something tells me he will be VERY vindictive against the crackas who bombarded their congressmen to vote against his war


16 posted on 09/06/2013 3:06:52 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: kingattax

I disagree wholeheartedly.

1. Obama’s mission is to hurt America. He’s downgraded our credit, what, twice? Huffing and Puffing and setting up a big showdown, then backing off, will hurt American credibility big time. Win for Obamam.

2. It’s Congress’ fault. Campaign on that next fall? You bet. Win for Obamam.

3. Assuming we DO shoot a few missles, what would we aim at? If I were Obamam, I’d be ensuring to mess up any trail that may exist back to Libya. THAT would also be a win for Obamam.

4. End result of any action in Syria is MB and Alqueda topple and take over the power there. Obamam scores again, as he’s MB friendly. Win.

What downside is there? A little bad press that the press will wring their hands over? Ever seen Obamam suffer over any of that?


17 posted on 09/06/2013 3:14:50 AM PDT by Big Giant Head
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To: kingattax
" President Obama/Democrat Party doesn’t have the votes in the House of Representatives to secure a win ..."

Minor correction.

18 posted on 09/06/2013 3:18:03 AM PDT by StormEye
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To: StormEye

“Tailored strike” sounds like a sewing circle or a Martha Stewart episode helping fags pick out fabrics for their drapes more than a military operation...


19 posted on 09/06/2013 3:19:04 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Gene Eric
"The idiot and stupid red line."

The idiot and HIS stupid red line...(let's be clear about that)

20 posted on 09/06/2013 3:21:29 AM PDT by ~Vor~ (Freeper since 10/98)
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To: Diogenesis
Any translation of the text on McInsane's photo?


21 posted on 09/06/2013 3:25:58 AM PDT by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: wewereright
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22 posted on 09/06/2013 3:29:32 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: kingattax; Admin Moderator
Quote of the year, at Belmont Club, by commenter "Buddy Larsen", noting that a worshipful interview of Samantha Power was conducted by...Paula Broadwell: "Gee, how long have you two known each other?"

The rabbit hole goes deep, very deep, on this one.

Admin: Is this link to Belmont Club OK?

23 posted on 09/06/2013 3:34:28 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. N)
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To: Gene Eric

Just wait till the video comes in of more children dying—or if they can get one of a few of our ships rolling over and heading to Davy Jones Locker taking with her all hands. Wait til the new 9-11 with sarin in the subway of New York or Boston? Then America will respond the way the Progressives want! maybe they can Burn the Capital building! It work with Hitler and his goons didn’t it?


24 posted on 09/06/2013 3:35:24 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: kingattax

Good. He can follow in David Cameron’s footsteps.


25 posted on 09/06/2013 3:40:59 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

There will be dancing in the streets when odumbo is defeated. I remember as a kid when WWII ended, indeed there WAS dancing in the streets, banging on pots and pans, car horns blowing, whistles tooting and on and on. Defeating odumbo on this sharade will be almost as significant. Alas, he still has those pesky “executive orders”?


26 posted on 09/06/2013 3:41:16 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: kingattax

Like he did with Obamacare, it’s time to start handing out money to the opposing dems? Just askin’.


27 posted on 09/06/2013 3:58:59 AM PDT by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: wewereright
What personal credibility? Is this from the Onion?

"For the true believer no proof is necessary" Stuart Chase. 0 has 51% of the country as true believers. He could be caught in bed simultaneously with a dead 12 year old girl and a live 8 year old boy and that 51% would excuse his actions. The MSM worships that ground he walks on and fights for a chance to stick their noses up us a$$ (as does repulsive NJ governor Christie, nominally a Republican) With the Republican establishment compromising (read caving in on) everything that tyrant wants, and the Democrats and media thinking it would be a step down for that incompetent narcissistc turd to be God, ratings just don't mean much.

28 posted on 09/06/2013 4:07:44 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Gene Eric

Mouth wrote a check his butt couldn’t cash.


29 posted on 09/06/2013 4:15:46 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: tbpiper

I actually think this will toss him over the edge...he is not above launching an attack on his own. If he does not, he will strike out against anyone who questioned his plans...he will be a terror as he takes out his frustrations on the US population. This guy has never been told NO in his whole life and will have a tantrum.


30 posted on 09/06/2013 4:23:24 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: kingattax

It makes no difference. He’ll still pull the trigger since he has already told us he needs no stinkin’ congressional approval for such action.


31 posted on 09/06/2013 4:30:28 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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And what, pray tell, does he care? He doesn't give two New Mexican chili farts about "authorization", imperial madman that he is. He is going to give to the order to launch those cruise missiles, Constitution or no Constitution, up vote or down vote.
This is where the average man and woman in the uniform of our Armed Services, and his or her officers on up, all the way to the JCS in the Pentagon, must be wondering if legal orders are being given, to be carried out. These men and womens' oath is primarily to the U.S. Constitution, not to the President (though granted of course he is Commander in Chief). You can't make this up. What a mess. He is in a corner and he is going to freak out. The man is unstable IMHO.

32 posted on 09/06/2013 4:34:00 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Kim Jong Un won't have a single "bad underwear day" unless/until we've a patriot in the White House)
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To: kingattax
If the House voted today on a resolution to attack Syria, President Barack Obama would lose — and lose big.

So what's the holdup? Waiting til they do have the votes?

33 posted on 09/06/2013 4:37:44 AM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: kingattax

It’s a defeat of his own making, and the repercussions are going to reach further than Syria right now. Obama is going to be far more quick to pull the trigger on any future issue without going to Congress just to prove that he, and by his extension the U.S., needs to be reckoned with. And it’s going to make the job of whoever replaces him a lot harder.


34 posted on 09/06/2013 4:39:50 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: tbpiper

A great cause for celebration in my opinion.


This would be cause for a second round of evening libation.


35 posted on 09/06/2013 4:40:39 AM PDT by bytesmith
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To: Ann Archy

Thank goodness for the UK Telegraph!


36 posted on 09/06/2013 4:55:51 AM PDT by austinaero
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“A defeat in Congress would be a massive blow to the Obama presidency,”

Except once he is defeated,,the media will spin it as him being “thoughtful” and “studious” and “respecting the wishes of the American people”

I heard he brought in the spin doctors of yester year to help him with this. I assumed it was to help sell it. Now I suspect it’s to help re-frame HIS defeat.

We’ll see


37 posted on 09/06/2013 5:05:26 AM PDT by austinaero
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To: Tennessee Nana

That is one neat looking cat there Nana.


38 posted on 09/06/2013 5:05:29 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: kingattax

-——It would probably be a bridge too far-——

That is a reasonable assessment but does not consider the other players nor what is actually accomplished. In another thread it was noted that allies would participate in the action in Syrian skies. That would be Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

Their air forces are vulnerable to Syrian air defense missiles. That is , they lack the capability to take them out. America on the other hand likely does. So, the Obama ordered action will provide for destruction of Syrian Air defense capabilities and clear the path for the allied air.

The entry of the allies will placate America to the point where although very disgusted, the action will be accepted

Oh, recall if you will that the Qatari armour stopped Saddam’s armour at Kafgee while invading Saudi Arabia and the only Iraqi plane shot down was killed by a Saudi F15 pilot. They have capable militaries


39 posted on 09/06/2013 5:20:43 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: kingattax

A defeat in Congress would be a massive blow to the Obama presidency, as well as to the president’s personal credibility, and could well amount to the biggest humiliation of his career so far.

Enough reason to vote NO right there.


40 posted on 09/06/2013 5:32:23 AM PDT by Captain7seas (Fire Jane Lubchenco and John Pistole.)
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To: kingattax

Then the house needs to get back and vote today because the traitor-in-chief will go ahead and strike before the vote to bypass congress and the will of the people!


41 posted on 09/06/2013 6:06:50 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: Captain7seas

The bill will pass if that is really what the kenyan wants. Pelosi can always whip the votes she needs and will get the Dems to vote for it. Then enough GOP votes will peel off and the stinking pile of a bill will get passed. Everybody in leadership wants it passed. The only question is if the kenyan really wants the green light from Congress.


42 posted on 09/06/2013 6:11:55 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Captain7seas

Most of the democrat(and republican) congress men and women care more about their own political career than they do about voting with the president. They remember the smack down they took in the last off year congressional elections.

Keep in mind many democrat voters do NOT vote in off year elections. They know if they vote for war with Syria and the SH*T hits the fan, their opponent in the 2014 primary and election will hammer them with it. They do not want to fall off the gravy train and actually have to go get a real job. Then they will have to give up that special parking place at Reagan airport.


43 posted on 09/06/2013 6:14:46 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: pepsionice
College lecturer. Oboingo doesn't have the credentials to be a full professor.
44 posted on 09/06/2013 6:18:40 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: kingattax

Let’s hope it’s his demise in Congress, as we cannot afford to pass an amnesty bill.


45 posted on 09/06/2013 6:26:51 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: kingattax
If the House voted today

Which is why they won't vote today.

Baraq will delay the vote.

Any way he can.

He will tie it to any other bill.

The man is desperate.

46 posted on 09/06/2013 6:35:20 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

I suppose the Ministry of Propaganda is busy cooking up some fake atrocity to try to get people on board.


47 posted on 09/06/2013 6:36:58 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: kingattax

“Barack Obama is heading for a humiliating defeat over Syria”

But that is the point of the whole thing.


48 posted on 09/06/2013 8:34:24 AM PDT by Wordkraft (Remember who the Collaborators are.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

What will he give up to get this vote I wonder.


49 posted on 09/06/2013 9:10:34 AM PDT by Appollo9919
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What will he give up to get this vote I wonder.

Interesting thought.

He wouldn't give up much just to get a vote. He might give up a lot to get a FAVORABLE vote.

I can see the negotiations now: "I'll give up ObamaCare, if you'll approve the war".

Of, course, negotiating would actually require a spine on the other side.

50 posted on 09/06/2013 9:22:19 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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