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Burger Restaurant To Pay Entry Level Workers $15 An Hour
Opposing views.com ^ | 9/9/13 | Michael Allen

Posted on 09/11/2013 1:51:54 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

... a local burger joint outside of Detroit, Mich. is going to start to paying $15 an hour to new employees on October 1.

Moo Cluck Moo is currently paying its entry level employees $12 an hour, far above the state minimum wage of $7.40.

“We always wanted to be at $15 an hour. It just feels human to do it. It’s not an easy job to do.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: buhbye; detroit; michigan; unions; wages
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Detroit. Classic.

Just saw this flash across NBC "news".

So hey, kids, wanna make $15 an hour flipping chicken patties? Move to Detroit. Let me know how that works out for ya.

1 posted on 09/11/2013 1:51:54 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Yeah, I always wanted to pay $11.50 for a crappy take out burger.... It just feels like the right thing to do.


2 posted on 09/11/2013 1:54:56 AM PDT by Bullish (Psalm 46)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Liberals are such sick people. It can’t be rationalized from a business stand point so they tell us how “human it feels”. Let’s see how “human” they feel when these little asswipes demand $20 p/h.


3 posted on 09/11/2013 1:59:40 AM PDT by albie (re)
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To: SoFloFreeper

well, seeing as most the residents there “earn” $50,000 a year in government benefits, they can afford the likely rise in the associated fast food prices.


4 posted on 09/11/2013 2:01:00 AM PDT by llevrok ("It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words....." - Geo. Orwell)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Stupid me. I had to college to work up to (and eventually exceed) that kind of wage.


5 posted on 09/11/2013 2:01:49 AM PDT by synbad600
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To: SoFloFreeper

I wonder if he will still feel human when he has to fire his employees when he goes out of business?


6 posted on 09/11/2013 2:08:39 AM PDT by awaken2spirit (When one fornicates with ignorance, the result of that union is chaos.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Partial compensation here is that they will be able to attract and keep the elite of the burger business workforce. The costs associated with constantly retraining a minimum-wage workforce are not inconsiderable. As are those associated with the constant screwups of inexperienced and don’t give a damn workers.

I used to train franchisees in an unrelated but even more labor-intensive business. IMO they could generally save money net by paying $2 or $3 above minimum wage so that they got the cream of the temporary worker group. Few of them ever believed me enough to try it, but those who did said I was absolutely right.

I have no problem with any of this as long as its voluntary. If they can’t remain competitive at the higher wage rate they’ll quickly be OOB.


7 posted on 09/11/2013 2:10:29 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Mark Steyn: "In the Middle East, the enemy of our enemy is also our enemy.")
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To: Bullish

New world order lesson #27:

The financial oligarchy that is new world order uses unions in “capitalist” nations...

to do the “dirty work” of smashing small competitors.

NWO’s large monopolistic businesses can simply raise prices to satisfy higher labor costs.

Small mom and pop businesses in the same industry find it difficult to keep up to increased wages and benefits, and workers gravitate to the big businesses. Small mom and pops are much more limited in how fast they can raise prices, thus they get “squeezed out” of business.

Union members don’t realize they are helping the “big corporation” they think they are opposing.

Another EXCELLENT example is in construction. Union thugs will damage the equipment of non-union firms on job sites and use other thug tactics. They think they are preserving their “union”, but they are stupidly doing the illegal dirty work of smashing competition for the large corporations they work for.

Once competition is practically eliminated, the large contracting firms can then increase prices much more easily, since the small competitive bidders are gone, and go back to squeezing their employees more, since they have nowhere else to work.

Thanks, unions ! /sarc


8 posted on 09/11/2013 2:11:00 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: SoFloFreeper
I didn't see anything uber-liberal on their web page, but here's there list of articles: • August 29,2013 - Serial Eclectic "Cheeseburger Cheeseburger" • August 6, 2013 - Eater "A Shrewd Moo Cluck Moo Gets National News Attention" • August 5, 2013 – The Huffington Post “A Living Wage Fast-Food Joint" • August 2, 2013 – The Deaily Beast “A Fast-Food Joint Thrives, Even by Paying $12 an Hour” • June 15, 2013 - Metro Times Restaurant Review "A Better Burger" • June 12, 2013 - The Detroit News ​ "Look past obvious spots for new dining delectables" • June 13, 2013 - The Detroit News "Fast Food Eatery Invests in Workers With Higher Pay" • May 15, 2013 - Deadline Detroit "Review: Of All The Fast-Food Joints On Telegraph, Moo Cluck Moo Stands Out" • April 4, 2013 - The Detroit Free Press "Restaurant Plans Fresh Take on Fast Food"
9 posted on 09/11/2013 2:11:46 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: SoFloFreeper
Probably has a SBA loan.
How long before they are broke & bankrupt?
Won't last a year. . . . .
10 posted on 09/11/2013 2:12:44 AM PDT by DeaconRed (He was a community organizer. He never even ran a candy store. WTF do you expect?)
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To: DeaconRed

Reminds me of the red necks that were selling watermelons. They paid $.50 for each watermelon. Sold them for .45. After they sold them all and lost money they decided their problem was they needed more watermelons.


11 posted on 09/11/2013 2:15:44 AM PDT by DeaconRed (He was a community organizer. He never even ran a candy store. WTF do you expect?)
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To: SoFloFreeper

iT will be fun to se ehow long it takes them to go out of business. and they will.


12 posted on 09/11/2013 2:20:55 AM PDT by RC one
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To: SoFloFreeper

I work in medical records and don’t make $15/hour. It’s nice to know flipping hamburgers is worth more than a person’s health information!!!


13 posted on 09/11/2013 2:23:48 AM PDT by gattaca ("Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Hope they have the customer base for this.

Businesses can’t print money to make payroll.

Maybe they have a wealthy sugardaddy to help out when business gets slow????


14 posted on 09/11/2013 2:25:32 AM PDT by RginTN
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To: SoFloFreeper

Why not $100.00/hr? That would be very human.


15 posted on 09/11/2013 2:25:42 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (To stay calm during these tumultuous times, I take Damitol. Ask your Doctor if it's right for you.)
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To: Gen.Blather
I checked the website as well. According to their pricing it would cost me $5 for a burger - the "big" one but no mention of size, and another $4.50 for shake and fires. Again no mention of size.

That is pretty much comparable with a similar meal at McD's or Wendy's. So how do they do it? It has to be made up in supply and overhead costs. Are the servings smaller or lower quality? Do they buy buildings for cheap?

You don't get something for nothing.

FWIW I do applaud them if they use local products as they advertise.

16 posted on 09/11/2013 2:25:52 AM PDT by prisoner6 ( FREEDOM!)
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To: RC one

iT will be fun to se ehow long it takes them to go out of business. and they will.


Not if 1 $15.00 an hour employee replaces 2 or more $12.00 per hour employees.


17 posted on 09/11/2013 2:25:56 AM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Case back hoe for sale or trade for diesel wood chipper....Enforce the Bill of Rights. It's the Law!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Yeah, but it’s 50 bucks to use the toilet.


18 posted on 09/11/2013 2:26:54 AM PDT by bramps (Obama, Democrats, and Planned Parenthood: The biggest fans of chemical weapons on the planet)
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To: SoFloFreeper

They’re doing it freely and of their own will. Best of luck to them.


19 posted on 09/11/2013 2:28:10 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

It is this guy’s business. There could be good reasons for doing as he’s doing. For example, he might want to keep his help and not do the MacDonalds constant turnover of high school workers. What he gains is an experienced, trained, constant work force.

In any case, his decisions will cause the rise and fall of his business.

And that’s the point. It’s his business.


20 posted on 09/11/2013 2:30:03 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Sherman Logan

Exactly Right!!!
“I have no problem with any of this as long as its voluntary”


21 posted on 09/11/2013 2:30:20 AM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: PieterCasparzen

Road to statism / totalitarianism (maximizing gap between rich and poor):

Pay more or the same for worse or fewer goods and services.

Produce worse or less relative to what you earn (either lack of productivity or artificial wage increases).

Total production decreasing, monetary costs increasing. Prices going up. Inflation rate high. Quality of life decreasing.

Decreasing wealth tends towards slavery.

Road to freedom (maximizing financial upward mobility):

Pay less or the same for better or more goods and services.

Produce better or more relative to what you earn (increase of productivity or work time).

Total production increasing, monetary costs decreasing. Prices going down. Inflation rate reasonable. Quality of life improving.

Increasing wealth tends towards freedom.


22 posted on 09/11/2013 2:31:32 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Yeah, you got it. We’re being ‘squeezed’ out of everything these days. All in favor of the big govt monopoly that is soon to destroy all our lives.


23 posted on 09/11/2013 2:33:35 AM PDT by Bullish (Psalm 46)
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To: S.O.S121.500

that is true.


24 posted on 09/11/2013 2:35:13 AM PDT by RC one
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To: Sherman Logan

Moo Chuck Moo knows how to make noise they got national attention.
Wonder what size work forrce they have? Sounds like a tight multi-tasking family group where your getting production out of them plus a high per unit pricing. Be very surprized if it was a franchise operation. Doubt if they offer a $2.00 anything maybe a small coffee.


25 posted on 09/11/2013 2:36:26 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: prisoner6

Menu

http://www.moocluckmoo.com/#!menu/c1a9u


26 posted on 09/11/2013 2:45:10 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Mark Steyn: "In the Middle East, the enemy of our enemy is also our enemy.")
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To: SoFloFreeper

At $15 hr at least the employer can be pickier about who he hires because the field will be larger. I suspect that racism, of course, has motivated the rise in wages there.


27 posted on 09/11/2013 3:01:32 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: awaken2spirit

He will blame it on the bad attitude of his departing greedy customers.


28 posted on 09/11/2013 3:03:23 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: albie

It will all go to a good cause, the mechanization of the fast food joints. The be employee in each McD will be a skilled techie who can maintain the equipment, until he gets replaced by an algorithm.


29 posted on 09/11/2013 3:05:22 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: SoFloFreeper

This is satire, right?


30 posted on 09/11/2013 3:08:49 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: DeaconRed

If he is able to compensate for the higher wages by being able to hire fewer but more productive employees then he may be doing it right.


31 posted on 09/11/2013 3:08:58 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Has everybody forgotten about Henry Ford and the $5/day wage?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/03/04/the-story-of-henry-fords-5-a-day-wages-its-not-what-you-think/


32 posted on 09/11/2013 3:09:06 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Mark Steyn: "In the Middle East, the enemy of our enemy is also our enemy.")
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To: PieterCasparzen
New world order lesson #27:

The financial oligarchy that is new world order uses unions in “capitalist” nations...

to do the “dirty work” of smashing small competitors.

Exactly!

33 posted on 09/11/2013 3:10:48 AM PDT by arasina (Communism is EVIL. So there.)
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To: xzins

Oh, I agree. As long as he isn’t getting taxpayer money, he can spend it any way he likes. :)


34 posted on 09/11/2013 3:13:04 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper
Moo-Cluck-Moo looks to be about 1/10 the size of the average McDonalds, and I appreciate that the restaurant's sign seems to be a cloth banner, not a real sign.

IIRC, the #1 business expense is usually wages. We'll see how long Moo-Cluck-Moo stays in business.

My guess is it won't make it a full year.

As for the general concept of low-skill/no-skill workers demanding $15/hour jobs -- technology has already solved that problem.


35 posted on 09/11/2013 3:20:49 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: SoFloFreeper

why dont the dopes that own this joint pay their workers to stay home and not come to work at all ?

also why dont they give free food to anyone who walks in and asks for it ?

idiots.


36 posted on 09/11/2013 3:21:55 AM PDT by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Paying $15.00/hour is still not enough to pull those deadbeats off welfare. If you’re on welfare you make equivalent to $30.00 hour. How in the hell does anyone expect to drag the “takers” off of their gravy train if paying a meer $15.00/hour? (sarc)

Wait till they see the price of a burger but look quick because the business will be closed VERY SOON.

“Moo Cluck Moo”? Only a liberal could come up with a name like that.


37 posted on 09/11/2013 3:23:13 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Bullish

I just looked at the menu. With them paying 12 bucks an hour for their employees they only charge 3 dollars for a moo cluck burger meal. McDonalds who pays 7.50 charges over 7 bucks for a burger meal. Something’s not right. I doubt that your post will happen. From 3 dollars to 11.50....are you just being dramatic?


38 posted on 09/11/2013 3:36:20 AM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

It’s their business decision so they shouldn’t be criticized any more than the burger joint that pays minimum wage. If they can make their business plan work at $15 and hour then more power to them. If they can’t then they’ll know soon enough.


39 posted on 09/11/2013 3:40:33 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Slings and Arrows
They’re doing it freely and of their own will. Best of luck to them.

You're a lot more charitable toward FReeepers than I am about this. Its a privately owned business and can pay what they wish. Their employees work full time and they have a loyal customer base. This isn't McDonalds.

I have a friend who makes good money like this at a little neighborhood bakery. She's been reliably going to work at 2 AM in the worst possible neighborhood for better than a decade so the owner feels justified in paying her that kind of money.
40 posted on 09/11/2013 3:49:22 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Slings and Arrows

I agree 100%. Neither the government, nor the labor mobs should be able to force businesses to pay higher wages, but ifba business owner does it voluntarily, God bless him.


41 posted on 09/11/2013 3:50:02 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (The people have the right to tell government what guns it may possess, not the other way around.)
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To: cripplecreek; All

Just wait until SEIU realizes that workers earning $15/hour can now “afford” to pay uinion dues..


42 posted on 09/11/2013 3:58:51 AM PDT by ken5050 (According to Dick Lugar, I'm a "random outlier." Woo Hoo!!!!)
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To: napscoordinator

The burger is $3. Adding the drink and fries is another $3.

Still, that $6 is about the same as the Burger King Whopper meal I had yesterday. The basic combo was around $5.70ish with the 50 cent upgrade to “medium”. Making it a little over $6. The meal sucked.

So if they can produce a good burger hot off the grill, hot fries and a cold drink for for $6 and pay their few workers $15 more power to them.

I know a great little burger place here in town that charges $5 for the burger combo. Only two workers, the owner/cook and the girl at the counter. Only open from 11 to 3 and they have a line out the door from 12 - 1:30ish.


43 posted on 09/11/2013 4:00:25 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Great way to launder drug money or hide other criminal activities. If they do not go out of business... they are a front.


44 posted on 09/11/2013 4:12:34 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: ken5050

I used to work in a small non union factory that paid more than the much bigger union factories around us. The owner expected a lot out of us but he repaid it in loyalty which was returned.

The boss explained that it was cheaper in the long run to pay us more. The union factories spent far more per employee but those union employees took home less and the factories made less off those employees.


45 posted on 09/11/2013 4:25:24 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: outofsalt

Voluntary is terrific. You can bet, though, that leftists will point to this as an example of how, since this guy can do it, a $15/hour wage doesn’t hurt businesses. Since that’s the case, everybody MUST pay that.


46 posted on 09/11/2013 4:28:20 AM PDT by Bob
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To: SoFloFreeper

I guess we will see how that works out for him. I doubt anyone will want to pay 10 or 11 bucks for fast food. It is suicide for a business owner with a low quality product.


47 posted on 09/11/2013 4:43:08 AM PDT by Dave278 (Keep your change I will keep my freedom!!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“Former Burger Restaurant, Now Tacqueria”


48 posted on 09/11/2013 4:43:51 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I think any employer should be able to decide what they want to pay....I don’t think the govt. should have any thing to say in it. The market place should decide what a job is worth!!!


49 posted on 09/11/2013 5:03:15 AM PDT by ontap (***)
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To: SoFloFreeper

At 15 bucks an hour in Detroit, the employees can save up to buy an entire city block within a couple of weeks.


50 posted on 09/11/2013 5:06:54 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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