Posted on 09/11/2013 8:00:17 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
So they never think about the child they had ripped from their bodies?
They will one day.
And the same time, imagine the consequences if somehow all sanctions on murder were lifted.
Can you say sudden blood bath?
Social embarrassment CAN cause people to slow down.
No it is not the ultimate way, not the permanent solution. I believe in aggressive GOSPEL attack on the satanic enemy. I mean if we all knew what the GOSPEL looked like from the viewpoint of hell, we’d be sharing it with everybody we knew!
yup, govern,ent cannot change what is inside the human heart. it can only hinder it, and if that fails, punish it.
the real problem is when govt endorses the evil as good, and those opposing the evil are considered criminals. that’s what we’re facing now thanks to a whole number of reasons.
Our public policies should be just, no matter how far you or anyone else has gone towards accepting the Gospel.
That’s what we’re talking about, our laws and our public policies.
Sounds to me like you’re using the Gospel as a diversionary tactic to avoid advocating just laws. That’s not right.
Yup.
Will you follow in the footsteps of Christ and take up your cross? Or will act like Peter and wait for the rooster to crow...
I guess I miss your point. Are you arguing against laws that are not universally obeyed? Are you arguing that it makes no difference to codify murder?
Today we remember the nearly 2000 who died on 9/11, who will commemorate the 5000 who were killed today in their mother's womb? The Prez has a red line for the murder of children by chemical weapons, yet untold thousands of innocent children were killed in America today by a chemical weapon, RU486. Every one killed is a tragedy and every one saved a victory - so what are you saying; that if one is not saved it is not worth saving the rest?
Well, EV, I would not go as far as your accusation.
I say we need to get practical here in the Lord’s Army, which really is a construction battalion.
Build where it does the most good. What’s the most bang against Satan for the buck right now? I’d put my money in gospel preaching! But it is not going to look a lot like what we call stereotypical gospel preaching. Consider ourselves missionaries. Not church functionaries. Side missions can be various rescue activities around and at abortion facilities. Trying to rein in the beast with law is virtually a lost cause at this moment. Getting believers into the judiciary will be key here and it takes time; Rome was neither built nor burnt in a day.
But couldn’t the woman bear the child and put it up for adoption? There are many childless couples (sacramentally married men and women) who would adopt them.
That is exactly why we got Roe vs. Wade in the first place....’hearts’...in America have grown more than cold toward the things of God...they ‘deny Him’ in droves now....the result of this is a nations fall...ALWAYS...and that not without His many opportunities to turn!
A nation apart from God..as we are...will fall....interesting too is whenever biblical nations turned from God they were invaded....and that does not always mean militarily....we have this today with our government encouraging foreigners here who do not return to their home country, rather they bring their whole families here......further our borders are full of illegals passing thru without any opposition or administering the laws we have in place to prevent it.
We have become a nation of ‘regulations’ preventing freedom...and lawlessness because those regulations are used to oppose those appointed to keep those laws.
We’ve all got to do what we think God has called us to do, where we believe He has sent us to do it.
Chesterton on birth control/population control: In 1925 Chesterton wrote an introduction to Charles Dickens’ A Christmas Carol in which he said that “The answer to anyone who talks about the surplus population is to ask him, whether he is part of the surplus population; or if not, how he knows he is not.”
good quote!
“What we think” ... or what God actually HAS done?
I say, look for the supernatural effects if you want to validate a ministry. I mean, knock yourself out if the good Lord really does want you legislating your heart out only to get knocked down over and over from a corrupt godless judiciary. But I look for where I can get the fruit going.
Paine doesn’t get the credit he deserves, IMO.
You should, if you really supported the second amendment.
They did, after all, have private battleships operating at that time.
Yes, I debated whether or not to use the argument that ALL life belongs to God, the Creator. I find it staggeringly arrogant that anyone would presume to have authority to take an innocent life.
Although my religious beliefs inform and shape my opinions, I don’t assume others are similarly affected by the same beliefs, so I try to base my approach on an appeal to their moral logic (I know, the concept of morality does not exist outside the existence of God, but that is a different discussion). I will use the authority of God, as i did in my hypothetical talk to my niece, when speaking to a believer. But I find it more difficult to be persuasive of either argument if I combine the two when speaking to a nonbeliever, and I always make the assumption that a person who supports abortion is a nonbeliever.
I appreciate you taking us back to the “I am mine” fallacy and its birth in the Garden.
Outlawing abortion won't stop abortion any more than Prohibition stopped alcohol consumption. Or any more than the laws against other forms of murder or theft stop murders and thefts. Do you really disagree with this?
You want to outlaw abortion? Well, I'm with you on that. **But**, once we've outlawed abortion, what are you going to do about all the abortions that will continue (as they did when abortion used to be outlawed in this country)?
So, do you want to just pass a law, or do you want to save babies? Because my point is, it is ultimately a spiritual decision, and not something you can legislate.
And if you are truly shocked that I have survived on this site for more than a dozen years, you can always report me to the mods....
And incidentally I don’t want to categorically discourage anyone from a ministry in this most difficult area. But don’t do it just for the Memory Of The Former Law Of Jolly Olde America. That’s not for God.
I’d like to share a spiritual hint which has in general carried my own ministries forward quite powerfully, if you are adamant about attacking at this point. EXALTATION OF THE LORD IS KEY TO VICTORY. Use this hint liberally (pun not intended).
If we legalized first degree murder, would their be more, or fewer murders?
The number of abortions has skyrocketed since abortion was legalized.
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