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California Legislature approves raising minimum wage to $10 the highest of any state
San Jose Mercury News ^ | 09/13/2013 | Josh Richman and Mike Rosenberg

Posted on 09/13/2013 7:13:36 AM PDT by artichokegrower

SACRAMENTO -- California's lowest-paid workers are in store for a 25 percent raise after lawmakers late Thursday boosted the Golden State's minimum wage to the highest of any state in the country.

In the final hours of its 2013 regular session, the Legislature voted to hike the minimum wage from $8 an hour to $9 next July and $10 by January 2016 -- a move Democrats praised as a boon to struggling workers and Republicans lambasted as a "job killer."

Gov. Jerry Brown has already promised to sign the bill, making California a leader in a growing movement to increase wages for the working poor spurred by protesting fast-food workers across the country.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; democrats; employment; governmentcontrol; kalifornia; minimumwage
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The highest minimum wage in the country along with the highest income tax in the country will be a great stimulus for California business owners to get out of Dodge.
1 posted on 09/13/2013 7:13:36 AM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower

Looks like I won’t by buying anything from California if there is another alternative. Choke them out and let them starve.


2 posted on 09/13/2013 7:15:27 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: artichokegrower

Big Mac - $10.95
Fries - $5.50
Etc...


3 posted on 09/13/2013 7:15:38 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: artichokegrower

This wage is suitable for most of California, but in the Central valley and the mountains near Nevada, this is ABSURD.


4 posted on 09/13/2013 7:17:01 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: artichokegrower

So they are trying to destroy even more of the lower middle class, after Owe-bamacare cut the workweek to 29.5 hours, now they will eliminate jobs.


5 posted on 09/13/2013 7:17:09 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I'm not a gynecologist, but I'll take a look.)
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To: artichokegrower

Democrats are such economic morons.

As if you can just decree what people should earn.

Idiots.


6 posted on 09/13/2013 7:17:18 AM PDT by DarrellZero
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To: artichokegrower

Watch for a mass exodus of businesses out of CA and rising unemployment in the state.


7 posted on 09/13/2013 7:19:27 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative
Watch for a mass exodus of businesses out of CA and rising unemployment in the state.

It has already been happening.

This will just accelerate it.

8 posted on 09/13/2013 7:20:47 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: Innovative

And wait until they see the income taxes...


9 posted on 09/13/2013 7:21:32 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: artichokegrower
But the unions, who have rates tied to minumum wage, are happy.

/johnny

10 posted on 09/13/2013 7:22:09 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: artichokegrower; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; BillyBoy; ...
RE :”California Legislature approves raising minimum wage to $10 — the highest of any state”

This is a great idea. Giving all those low wage workers raises, except the working illegals who are not dreamers, now their lives will be better and they will have more $$$ to spend so businesses will win too. Every-ones a winner

Well, this is how they talk on MSNBC anyway.

CA is a grand experiment. Let's see how higher taxes and minimum wage works. LA county has a hell of a lot of small stores, fast food, convenient, etc, and those who use them are not rich.

Recall that CA successfully pressured Amazon to collect their sales taxes in internet purchases.

11 posted on 09/13/2013 7:24:00 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: artichokegrower
Minimum wage earners across the state are smiling this morning.

The smiles will remain right up until they find out they are being let go and will not be making ANY wage now that California has priced them out of the market.

12 posted on 09/13/2013 7:24:49 AM PDT by Washi (She was Hannah Montana when Bush was president. Thanks a lot Barack Obama! :))
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To: artichokegrower

Yes that will certainly create jobs, prosperity, and tax revenue. /sarc


13 posted on 09/13/2013 7:28:18 AM PDT by RC one
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To: artichokegrower

Why stop at $10? Why not $50/hr? $75/hr? Why not make it an even $100/hr?


14 posted on 09/13/2013 7:30:48 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: artichokegrower

Lets make it $100/hr and get rid of all poverty. If there’s logic for $10/hr it should only be stronger for $100/hr.


15 posted on 09/13/2013 7:37:02 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I recall reading years ago that many unions have contracts that specify its wage scales at designated multiples of the minimum wage. Thus a rise in the minimum wage is an automatic rise in their pay, without renegotiating. I guess that is still the norm although one would think corporations would negotiate out of this in the face of Democratic Party hegemony whenever possible.


16 posted on 09/13/2013 7:37:15 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: artichokegrower

At the SJMN site’s comment section, the example of “In-N-Out Burger’s” policy of paying associates $10.50 to start seems to be some kind of a touchstone for the argument to raise the minimum wage.

I maintain that may work because “In-N-Out” is unique and has it’s own following, but McD’s would have to raise prices to meet the overhead, or just work their employees harder.


17 posted on 09/13/2013 7:38:17 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: DarrellZero
Democrats are such economic morons.

You got that right. They really do not understand that people will change their behavior when the rules that restrict them also change. Democrats really do believe that you can take someone who earns $1 million per year, raise their income tax rate to 100%, and then count on the collecting $1 million in income taxes from that same person every year for years to come. Yes, they really are that stupid.

When it comes to the minimum wage, every time I hear this from a liberal about how the minimum wage needs to be higher, I respond, "Great idea. But if you really want to help people, then let's raise it to $50/hr. How about that?" Then I sit back and watch the wheels trying to turn in their heads. They know in their hearts that there must be something wrong with it, but they can't for the life of them figure out what it is.

18 posted on 09/13/2013 7:38:35 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: Hoodat

Look for California McDonalds to be the first with McRobot cooking machines and McKiosk self service ordering and payment systems. That should allow each restaurant to eliminate 3 or 4 positions per shift...

Yay! More unemployeds.


19 posted on 09/13/2013 7:38:50 AM PDT by CarmichaelPatriot
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To: muir_redwoods

Great minds think alike.


20 posted on 09/13/2013 7:39:11 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: staytrue

“...in the Central valley and the mountains near Nevada, this is ABSURD...”
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Dictating the “value” of labor is always absurd.


21 posted on 09/13/2013 7:40:16 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: artichokegrower
This will cause massive inflation. You can be sure that the price of all goods will increase. You can also expect the price of services for all things to increase. The next time you need an oil change for your car, expect to pay $50. A haircut will cost $50-$75. When you increase minimum wage, then the highly skilled workers will also get an increase. The working poor can never catch up.
22 posted on 09/13/2013 7:40:24 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus
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To: artichokegrower

I wonder when they will get around to dictating a maximum wage.

Idiots.


23 posted on 09/13/2013 7:44:37 AM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: artichokegrower

Is there a California ping list?

I’m a 5th generation San Franciscan, and a refugee from the idiocy. I achingly miss the place because it’s home and always has been, but I know that I can’t go back. At least- not anytime soon.


24 posted on 09/13/2013 7:48:24 AM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Not just the unions. It also increases the amount of tax to be collected on income. Increasing minimum wage is not for the benefit of the bottom earners, it is all about increasing money flow into the capitol.


25 posted on 09/13/2013 7:49:58 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: RedMDer
I wonder when they will get around to dictating a maximum wage.

They already tried that back in the 1930s. Needless to say, it helped keep the Depression around for quite a long time.

After WWII, they relented a bit, setting the top rate (for those making over $100,000/yr) at 91%. It stayed at that rate until JFK.

26 posted on 09/13/2013 7:56:16 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: Travis T. OJustice

“after Owe-bamacare cut the workweek to 29.5 hours, now they will eliminate jobs.”

Or cut the workweek to 23 hours


27 posted on 09/13/2013 8:02:06 AM PDT by Selene
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To: artichokegrower

Not that we need more minimum wage earners or more Californians but I expect this will make at least some companies think hard about moving to business friendly Texas.


28 posted on 09/13/2013 8:04:19 AM PDT by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
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To: Hoodat

Economic resentment is a force of nature. There is no stopping this tsunami.


29 posted on 09/13/2013 8:10:45 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Riley

I can relate, I grew up in CA, my mother had to move her business in 84’ because she just couldn’t take the taxes. I would never move back but I sure miss the weather.


30 posted on 09/13/2013 8:17:08 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Gaffer

Well lucky you! But those of us stuck living here are going to see higher prices and slower service. All of these wanker liberals in our government haven’t a clue as to what they are doing to the economy, they just see increased taxes. As for the little people like fast food worker, they are looking to less hours, less coworkers on shift and a increased work load.
Bravo liberals, bravo!


31 posted on 09/13/2013 8:17:12 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: artichokegrower

They should also pass price caps! Why not bring in utopia at full speed.


32 posted on 09/13/2013 8:18:56 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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They should also pass price caps! Why not bring in utopia at full speed.

That will never happen because it would limit the taxes they could suck from the people.


33 posted on 09/13/2013 8:21:08 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Mastador1

More technology will reduce the number of fast food workers like ATMs did to banks.

Higher minimum fewer jobs for teens. No one talking about lower rte to hire hs students?


34 posted on 09/13/2013 8:24:22 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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They should also pass price caps! Why not bring in utopia at full speed.

I’m sorry but you seem a little naive. I have twenty two years past experience in fast food and I can tell you that starting in the eighties getting teens to work in the industry was already getting difficult, they don’t want to work in what is considered a low class job. Just ask people around you, hell Freepers what they think of fast food jobs. And above and beyond that fast food has been taken over at the lower levels by “immigrants” that we are supposed to feel sorry for because they can’t raise their families on minimum wage.


35 posted on 09/13/2013 8:33:53 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Mastador1

At some point you are going to figure out how much of your future, your freedom, your income and Constitutional Rights are worth balanced against the madness that is California. Do you like the good weather? The beaches?
The laid-backness of it all?

I can understand that CA is the historical (I mean multigenerational) home of people still there, but you just finally have to get down to the nasty fact is that you guys lost. Leave there. Take your work ethic, what resources you can save and leave it to the movie stars, blacks and Mexicans that have invaded it. You won’t ever get it back unless you are willing to pick up a weapon with all the other inlanders and fight for it.


36 posted on 09/13/2013 8:34:24 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: morphing libertarian

I forgot to include technology, when I first started managing in the mid 70’s I had a staff of 125 on the schedule to man all shifts in the restaurant. When I left in 1998 I had on the schedule a staff of 40! Technology has been hell on fast food employment for a long long time.


37 posted on 09/13/2013 8:37:35 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: CSM

They will continue beating us over the head with the “facts” that the 1968 Minimum Wage, adjusted for inflation, would be a bit over $10. And adjusted for corresponding increases in productivity, more like $15.

The low-info crowd will suck that up and fall into line like lemmings.


38 posted on 09/13/2013 8:39:17 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Restaurant prices are already rising at a pretty high clip...about not worth going to one anymore.


39 posted on 09/13/2013 8:52:32 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: artichokegrower

Aw, heck. Too bad California can’t just follow the feral government’s example and print as much money as its political lords and masters feel they need.


40 posted on 09/13/2013 8:54:43 AM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
They will continue beating us over the head with the “facts” that the 1968 Minimum Wage, adjusted for inflation, would be a bit over $10.

According to the CPI, the 1968 minimum wage would be worth $7.59 today. If you use the 1967 minimum wage, it comes to only $6.87 in today's dollars.

41 posted on 09/13/2013 9:07:32 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: artichokegrower
it never fails to amaze me..liberals think $$$ grows on trees..
higher min. wage means loss of jobs/less
productive output..lower profitable businesses.

42 posted on 09/13/2013 9:07:51 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: CarmichaelPatriot

Burger King has had the conveyor belt flame broiler for quite a while. Whenever I mention the fact that raising minumum wages merely enhances the incentive to automate processes the economically illiterate class always just pshaws it and goes off topic...


43 posted on 09/13/2013 9:18:44 AM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Hoodat

The irony of a 91% upper income tax rate is that it effectively prevents EVERYONE not already rich from approaching that level. The already rich are well sheltered through trusts and legal tax avoidance schemes that it would take Joe Shmoe half a lifetime to get a grasp on, and he can’t afford the legal and accounting staff to do it sooner...


44 posted on 09/13/2013 9:22:21 AM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Mastador1

So, after your 20 years experience you still hadn’t figured out that your particular restaurants were free all along to offer a wage that would have attracted the desired labor? Yet you accuse us of treating the industry as a “low class” industry....

Can you see a connection?


45 posted on 09/13/2013 9:28:43 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Axenolith
the incentive to automate processes the economically illiterate class always just pshaws it and goes off topic

Sheetz gas stations - lots opening in the SouthEast - are already automating.

Touchscreens to order. Pay for your order at the cash register - which is likely needed in a gas station, not so much in a McD's....could just put a credit card swipe on the side of the touchscreen..... Finally, one or sometimes two people cooking in the back.

That's all there is. I'll guess that's close to where fast food is headed, since $7.50/hr is a good salary for a smiling-faced button-pusher and change-giver, but $15/hr is a good salary for a basic technician to keep the automation going.

Liberals need to be careful for what they wish for. They may get it.

46 posted on 09/13/2013 9:28:57 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Mastador1

Naive?

I see immigrants, seniors, and students in SoCal. Perhaps my eye sight is bad also.

I oppose ,minimum wage laws


47 posted on 09/13/2013 9:30:11 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Mastador1

“Technology has been hell on fast food employment for a long long time.”

Yeah, and the automobile was hell on the horse breeders! Steel smelting was hell on blacksmiths...

Do you realize that what you listed as “hell on fast food” is actually called productivity improvement and is a leading indicator for growing economies?


48 posted on 09/13/2013 9:30:58 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

When you start with a fraudulant premise (minimum wage) then you can only expand that fraud. (you = your use of they, not you in particular)


49 posted on 09/13/2013 9:32:28 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: artichokegrower

Wonder how many public union wage agreements are indexed off of minimum wage?


50 posted on 09/13/2013 9:34:32 AM PDT by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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