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Why is the US giving Pakistan weapons to be used against India?
FirstPost ^ | Sept 15, 2013 | Seems Sirohi

Posted on 09/15/2013 11:24:05 AM PDT by James C. Bennett

The US government has funded eight P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft, 2,000 TOW anti-armor missiles, 14 older model F-16 fighter jets, 59 T-37 trainer jets, one missile frigate, six AN/TPS-77 surveillance radars, and 20 Cobra attack helicopters among other weapons for Pakistan.

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In the context of the recent continuous tensions on the LOC, it is useful to take a hard look at the unhealthy US-Pakistan relationship of dependence, if only as a reminder of how some things never change.

The Pakistani military's signals to India are clear and present. The continuous attacks along the Line of Control are an unmistakable attempt to shatter the peace, break the long-held ceasefire and pull the rug from under the shaky feet of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif.

The decade-old ceasefire needs to be maintained even though the Pakistan army and its affiliated jihadis would like nothing better than to destroy it and start the pot boiling. It would be a disaster to return to the days of easy infiltration into Jammu and Kashmir under the cover of heavy fire from the Pakistan army.

The Obama Administration needs to tell its friends in Rawalpindi in no uncertain terms to maintain the sanctity of the ceasefire. But so far, apart from anodyne statements implying equal responsibility for the killings on the LOC, it has said nothing to rein in the Pakistani military.

What's more, it continues to quietly furnish sophisticated military weapons to Pakistan that are highly unsuitable against terrorists but very suitable against India.

Pakistan's army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, clearly the tactical winner in Afghanistan, is busy bolstering his arsenal against India in the fog of war. And with American blessings. He has amassed a goodly pile of big, new toys.

That Gen. Kayani would take maximum advantage of the US was expected but that Americans would stretch, tamper, and make a mockery of their own laws to allow it was not. That India's interests would once again be ignored was surprising. Call me innocent.

The old mindset of some "babus" in the US State and Defence departments to keep Pakistan as a "regional balancer" against India is alive and well - an idea that incidentally also fits in with China's plan of action. One official familiar with this thinking said the babus want the "Rawalpindi boys to be able to face India with dignity." Thus the largesse of American weapons. Oh boy, I said.

The "dignity" has been furnished since 9/11 in the form of $20 billion, more than half of it in military aid of various kinds. The US government has funded eight P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft, 2,000 TOW anti-armor missiles, 14 older model F-16 fighter jets, 59 T-37 trainer jets, one missile frigate, six AN/TPS-77 surveillance radars, and 20 Cobra attack helicopters among other weapons for Pakistan.

The figures are in a report published in July by the Congressional Research Service (CRS), the non-partisan analytical arm of the US Congress. The report says the US Defence Department "characterized" the F-16 fighters, P-3Cs and anti-armor missiles as "having significant anti-terrorism applications." The State Department claimed everything fits under "counterterrorism efforts, broadly defined."

The broad is very broad in this case. The babus told CRS these weapons increase regional stability and "allow Pakistan to feel more secure vis--vis India, its better equipped neighbor."

Psychoanalysis of what makes Pakistan "feel" more secure apart, what is galling is US officials "fiddling with the intention and spirit" of their own laws, in the words of one American analyst.

Moving on to the pipeline of weapons -- Pakistan has paid $1.43 billion from its "own" funds to buy 18 new F-16 advanced combat aircraft. It has bought a variety of heavy bombs and 500 - repeat 500 --AMRAAM air-to-air missiles for $629 million. It also bought 100 Harpoon anti-ship missiles and 500 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles for a total of $400 million. Just for comparison -- India bought 24 Harpoons from the US in 2011 for $170 million.

Pakistan military's liquidity may astonish some, given that the country's economy is in dire straits and is constantly mortgaged to the IMF. So how did they do it? Well, it was rather elementary. The US has transferred humongous amounts of money to Pakistan since 2002 leaving enormous scope for fiddling the books.

The gravy train is called the Coalition Support Funds (CSF), which is actually meant to "reimburse" Pakistan for its "operational and logistical" support to US troops. On this train came $10.7 billion as of June this year.

Call it the great train robbery - the money was paid against actual (overinflated) invoices with little oversight. Most of this money likely came back to the US in the form of "Pakistani national funds" to buy the advanced weapons. These couldn't be funded through US government programs because they were so blatantly inappropriate for fighting terrorists that even the most expanded American definition of "counterterrorism" couldn't justify them.

The18 new F-16C/D Block 52 aircraft with advanced avionics valued at $1.43 billion and already delivered probably came from this liquidity. On the books the money is to feed, clothe and house poor Pakistani soldiers and supply them with ammunition while they take on the bad guys in the northwest of the country.

So rampant was the "mismanagement" of CSF, the US Congress was forced to look into it. A report by the Government Accountability Office in 2008 asked for more accountability and oversight on Pakistan's reimbursement claims. But nothing changed in essential terms because the 2014 deadline for US withdrawal was approaching.

President Obama, who once clearly understood Kayani's anti-India game, appears to have changed tack. His administration quietly issued two waivers in September 2012 and February 2013, setting aside its own certification requirements for Pakistan - that it cooperate on counterterrorism and non-proliferation. Curiously, the waivers didn't make a splash in major US newspapers.

Ironically, Secretary of State John Kerry, who as senate chairman envisioned a "new" relationship with Pakistan by bolstering the civilian government, now oversees the dilution of that very idea. Sharif is not on his speed dial list. But Gen. Kayani probably is.

Where does this leave US goals of a strategic partnership with India is a good question to ponder.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: foreignaid; india; military; pakistan; waronterror
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1 posted on 09/15/2013 11:24:05 AM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: Marine_Uncle

PING

Don’t want ‘em go stale sitting in warehouses and storage, would we. ;-)


2 posted on 09/15/2013 11:26:01 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: James C. Bennett

Wish I could get a good deal on a Cobra.. Geeesh.


3 posted on 09/15/2013 11:26:52 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: James C. Bennett

We have always let the Saudis guide our policies in the muslim world. But in the last few years they seem to have taken complete ownership.

I was happy to see under Bush an effort to engage India as a full ally but that seems to be sputtering to a stop.


4 posted on 09/15/2013 11:31:22 AM PDT by marron
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To: James C. Bennett
Why is the US giving Pakistan weapons to be used against India?

Gee, let's see, could it be because the obozo and most of his administrations are muslims and Pakistan is a muslim country where India is not?

5 posted on 09/15/2013 11:33:09 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: NormsRevenge
Well balls! I worked in Test Engineering on the original series of Harpoons while working for many years at Westinghouse Aero/Space Defense (Now Grumman Northrop).
We supplied Raytheon with the computer that sat inside the missile that communicated with the ship/aircraft onboard computer. In my wildest nightmares I never dreamed this kind of shit was going to come to past.
6 posted on 09/15/2013 11:35:23 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: NormsRevenge; James C. Bennett

Are these 20 Cobra’s part of our military hardware? Or is this hardware old and we don’t use anymore?


7 posted on 09/15/2013 11:36:12 AM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: James C. Bennett

Because the Paks are Muzzies.


8 posted on 09/15/2013 11:37:46 AM PDT by ully2
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To: Marine_Uncle

I hope it doesn’t have Chinese chips, liable to malfunction when ya least expect it. Lockheed family here,, except for me.

You must have worked in SoCal. We’re South Bay SanJose.


9 posted on 09/15/2013 11:38:21 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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Related:

As ties with India grow, Israel again says won’t supply arms to Pakistan

NDTV | 15 Sep., 2013

http://m.ndtv.com/article/world/as-ties-with-india-grow-israel-again-says-won-t-supply-arms-to-pakistan-418935

NEW DELHI: With its defence ties with India growing at a rapid pace, Israel today asserted that it will not supply any weapons systems and military hardware to Pakistan, saying the policy in this regard was “very clear” and “strict”.

Israeli Ambassador Alon Ushpiz said his country follows very strict guidelines in exporting weapons systems and there was no question of reversing its policy of not supplying military hardware to Pakistan.

“The policy of the Government of Israel is (very clear) and we are tremendously strict about it that we do not export weapons system to Pakistan,” he said.

A report by Israel’s Haaretz newspaper in June had quoted a British government report saying Israel exported military equipment, including hi-tech gear used in combat jets, over the past five years to Pakistan. Israel had strongly rejected the report, saying it would “not do anything that could undermine” India’s security.

“Very specifically we do not export weapons system to Pakistan. We have a very strict set of regulations for exporting. It is a very, very sophisticated process and different agencies are engaged in that. India is a close friend,” he said, replying to a question on the report by the Israeli newspaper.

Expressing satisfaction over defence ties with India, which is Israel’s largest purchaser of security equipment, he said there was no possibility of reversing the policy of not supplying weapons systems to Pakistan.

“There is a very strict policy of the state of Israel. This is in black and white. The answer to all your questions is a very clear swift long no. You are asking something very very hypothetical and even to that I think the answer is no,” Ushpiz said.

Refusing to speak about any specific arms deals with India, he said the defence ties between the two countries was not about “buying and selling”.

“I am very proud of the defence relationship,” he said, adding Israel was even keen on transfer of technology to India.

Asked about a proposal to supply anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) to India, he said, “I will not go into specifics. Even in this case we have best technology.”


10 posted on 09/15/2013 11:39:00 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: ColdOne

I would guess its surplussed or spare or reserve stock.

Regardless, I bet we paid top dollar for it to end up sitting and rusting away


11 posted on 09/15/2013 11:40:23 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: ully2

Exactly. Anything for his brothers.


12 posted on 09/15/2013 11:40:53 AM PDT by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: James C. Bennett

Because the Pakis are muslim.


13 posted on 09/15/2013 11:41:49 AM PDT by expat2
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To: NormsRevenge

Altho its sounds like some pretty new stuff when it comes to aircraft and missilery


14 posted on 09/15/2013 11:41:53 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: James C. Bennett

Why? Pakistan is Muslim, Sunni Muslim. India is still mostly Hindu. Barry will always stand with the Muslims. It’s a quote.


15 posted on 09/15/2013 11:43:32 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: James C. Bennett

Weapons to the Pakis to use on India? Well it might cut the number of H1Bs and an American may have a chance at an IT job.


16 posted on 09/15/2013 11:45:37 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Muzzie killing muzzie what's the downside and who am I to stop them ?)
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To: James C. Bennett

Been giving the pakies weapons since the 1960’s. Their first,submarine, The Gazi, was the SS Diablo SS479, a 1944 sub, “leased” to them in 1963.


17 posted on 09/15/2013 11:47:21 AM PDT by capt B
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To: NormsRevenge
No Norm. I worked at the Westinghouse Facility in Friendship, MD.
Rather large complex even back in the sixties through seventies when I worked for them. We had a runway that lead into the Baltimore Washington Intl. airport.
Lots of interesting programs I had the chance to work on.
Those first generation Harpoons used the same Westinghouse 16 bit/3.3 mhz., "milli-computer", we used in the first generation F-16 Radar Control system, which I also had the pleasure of working on.
18 posted on 09/15/2013 11:49:30 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: marron

I was happy to see under Bush an effort to engage India as a full ally but that seems to be sputtering to a stop.
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This sputtering has been going on since at least the days of Reagan. Back then, I knew an Indian ex-pat who was a serving AF physician. He could not understand why the US did not do more to shore up its relationship with India to counter the Soviets. (Neither could I, though — until he made the comment — I had never given it any thought.)


19 posted on 09/15/2013 11:53:28 AM PDT by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting twowards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: James C. Bennett
This is not only stupid, but ultimately, dangerous.

Why not just sell to the Taleban & al-Queda directly?

Disgusted.

20 posted on 09/15/2013 11:53:30 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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