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Russian Shot in quarrel over Kant's philosophy
WRAL.com ^ | September 16, 2013

Posted on 09/16/2013 9:11:20 AM PDT by ConservativeDude

MOSCOW — An argument in southern Russia over philosopher Immanuel Kant, the author of "Critique of Pure Reason," devolved into pure mayhem when one debater shot the other. A police spokeswoman in Rostov-on Don, Viktoria Safarova, said two men in their 20s were discussing Kant as they stood in line to buy beer at a small store on Sunday. The discussion deteriorated into a fistfight and one participant pulled out a small nonlethal pistol and fired repeatedly. The victim was hospitalized with injuries that were not life-threatening. Neither person was identified. It was not clear which of Kant's ideas may have triggered the violence.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; Russia
KEYWORDS: kantrussia
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

That could cause some problems one would think


61 posted on 09/16/2013 9:46:30 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: tet68

The non lethal handgun. Look up “kinetic pistols”. Allowed in Russia. Like a standard pistol but fires some sort of hard rubber bullets. Cant fire real ones.

Actually sounds like a lot of fun in a way.


62 posted on 09/16/2013 9:47:16 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: ConservativeDude

We live in a country where people are shot over their sneaks; the idea of a country in which people are more likely to get shot over abstract philosophical questions almost sounds refreshing/charming...


63 posted on 09/16/2013 9:48:35 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: GeronL

Actually, it really doesn’t, surprisingly. Besides, in the Czech Republic at least, lots of people have real guns, and getting a CW permit is entirely possible.

It’s not as easy as some states, mind you, but you can get one.


64 posted on 09/16/2013 9:50:02 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: dfwgator

Do any philosophy courses mention Thomas Reid of the Scottish school?


65 posted on 09/16/2013 9:50:34 AM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: ConservativeDude

Baikal MP 461,, a little can of whoop ass.


66 posted on 09/16/2013 9:51:56 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

http://lesslethalarms.com/tag/baikal-mp-461/


67 posted on 09/16/2013 10:00:02 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Mark Steyn: "In the Middle East, the enemy of our enemy is also our enemy.")
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To: Heavyrunner

You do have to admit, however, that is somehow “better” than arguing about money, who does the housework, sports teams, how much to pay for illegal drugs, and so on.


68 posted on 09/16/2013 10:05:57 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: dfwgator

I only came into the thread to see how long it would take to post. :o)


69 posted on 09/16/2013 10:16:18 AM PDT by mykroar (China and Russia are playing chess while Obamas's playing 52 card pick-up.)
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To: 1rudeboy

When you kill someone over philosophy, Descartes you off to jail.


70 posted on 09/16/2013 10:17:47 AM PDT by needmorePaine
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To: ConservativeDude

Was obviously too much of an intellectual discussion for this guy. Some intellectual discussions need to be confined to classrooms or at least the right target audience.


71 posted on 09/16/2013 10:22:40 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: ConservativeDude
This is rather novel.

A shooting because of an argument over philosophers rather than the normal gang shooters about 18th century poets.

72 posted on 09/16/2013 10:57:05 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: ConservativeDude
It was not clear which of Kant's ideas may have triggered the violence.

1)Kant held that logic and causality - principles essential to the integration mode of thought- are baseless; neither can be derived from sense data of validated by reason, whether this base is conceived in Platonic or in Aristotelian fashion.

2)Kant rejects out of hand Aristotle's theory that concepts derive from percepts. On the contrary, concepts, or at least the world-shaping ones, come first; and percepts are their product Such concepts Kant points out, cannot be validated by observation,or by rationalist deduction from so-called "self evident" insights.

3) reality is unknowable (but Kant knows that the truth of his theory is knowable)

Kant's philosophy is not a set of affirmations, worldly or otherworldly, but of negations:

1) in metaphysics, Kant denies the reality of this world in favor of a higher realm, but in favor of a realm inconceivable to human consciousness.

2) in epistemology, Kant condemns man's consciousness as impotent to grasp real truth, because it requires an means of consciousness.

3) in ethics,Kant put an end to the morality of the Enlightenment by unleashing the code of self-sacrifice in its pure form.He claimed that a moral action is an end in itself rather than the means to end.

His philosophy is evil because the modern products of his philosophy are pragmatism, skepticism,and nihilism which libtards happily use constantly.

73 posted on 09/16/2013 11:10:37 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Heavyrunner

Here is this country people kill each other over who took the last piece of KFC.


74 posted on 09/16/2013 11:14:00 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin
Here is this country people kill each other over who took the last piece of KFC.

Or over ice cream

Mom allegedly fatally stabbed teen over ice cream

75 posted on 09/16/2013 11:15:21 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

I prefer Churches Chicken


76 posted on 09/16/2013 11:16:39 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: ConservativeDude

Brazil is based on Kant, no? ordo e progresso


77 posted on 09/16/2013 11:30:49 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: PATRIOT1876

They obviously weren’t talking about Voltaire.


78 posted on 09/16/2013 11:32:13 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: BenLurkin

That might be a better thing to die over.


79 posted on 09/16/2013 11:33:17 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: GeronL

What about Popeye’s?


80 posted on 09/16/2013 11:34:31 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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