Skip to comments.A higher wage will force chains to replace humans with robots
Posted on 09/21/2013 12:16:21 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Medieval doctors bled their patients with leeches. Far from improving their condition, it left them worse off. Raising the wages of fast-food workers to $15 an hour would produce similar results for those the proposal is intended to help.
In America, minimum-wage workers are better paid than the average worker in Mexico. Why? Its not because U.S. employers are more generous than their Mexican counterparts. Nor do Americans somehow deserve better pay.
American minimum-wage earners make more because they produce more. Better education and greater capital investment make American workers more productive, raising their earnings.
Competition forces businesses to pay workers according to their productivity. If companies pay less, their employees will jump ship to competitors. And if they pay workers more than they produce, they go out of business.
For better or worse, fast-food jobs are relatively low-productivity positions, typically filled by inexperienced workers. Most fast-food customers want a quick, inexpensive meal. They will not regularly pay premium prices for a burger and fries.
Doubling McDonalds wages would raise their total costs by 25 percent well above profit margins. But raising prices would drive customers away.
If Congress mandated fast-food restaurants to pay $15 an hour, they would have to change operations to deliver the kind of productivity to justify those higher costs. That would mean replacing current workers with machines and hiring fewer, more skilled workers to maintain them.....
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Its all part of the plan, get as many people unemployed as possible
I would say this...by 2016...minimum wage will have gone up another $1 (it’s a logical expectation that both political parties will visit to garner votes for that election). Sometime around 2025...I expect McDonalds to shock the public by developing and marketing the ‘automated shop’.
You will walk into a McDonalds and face a screen....hitting the buttons to note what you want, and then swipe your credit card. The bulk of the restaurant will be automated with robot features, and probably feature one manager and two clerks (merely to reload the systems or handle break-downs). It’ll be a staged event with five or six nationally placed for view.
By 2030...half of the McDonalds in America will be on this automated system, and tens of thousands of employees will be released to the public sector...unable to find any real employment.
Burger King, Pizza Hut, and the rest will follow. I expect 2040 to arrive with massive unemployment throughout the US, and economic experts at a loss to explain how automated system arrived, and their relationship to the minimum wage. The dopes will sit there and grin during televised interviews.
Anger and hostility will brew against the developers of automated systems and robots. Occupy Wall Street will turn into Occupy Automation. People will shake their heads over the strange turn of events.
There not paying those people enough to even pay for basic things like rent, food, gas, utilities etc...Forget car payments, medical or buying homes etc...
So what's the big deal?
The purpose of a business....less we not forget....is not to be concerned with the needs or desires of their employees. The business survives only if they have a product that consumers want, and they can deliver that product to consumers at the price expected.
If Pabst Blue Ribbon were eight bucks a can...Pabst would dissolve away.
If toilet paper were $6 a roll, we’d all be in the forest collecting leaves and using them for important wipes....dissolving the toilet paper companies.
If a burger meal at BK were $15....we’d skip it and just buy a loaf of bread and some luncheon meat, dissolving BK into nothing
Business operations only function, if consumers rate them as desirable. Whether the employee can afford a car or a three-bedroom apartment.....isn’t part of the end-result.
Chili’s is going to let you order from tablets that are hooked into their system and then have a reduced staff bring your food to you. Commies everywhere thank you, Obama, for killing capitalism and instilling fear in the marketplace. Conservatives thank you for proving once again that socialism doesn’t work except to enrich the ruling elite.
Minimum wage jobs are entry level, low skilled jobs. They aren't supposed to support a family. Anyone who starts as a burger flipper knows if they want to stay with a franchise, then management is were they need to go if they have ability.
If minimum wage jobs are so crucial to survival, then why not dictate a $20 per hour or $40 per hour or $100 per hour minimum wage? At some point, even a brain dead liberal will say, “how can a business pay this amount?” That is exactly the point. If the minimum wage is artificially raised by fiat, then to to stay in business — sell a product that customers can afford — the owner will have to cut costs. Invariably, the highest cost for an owner is LABOR. The owner will either cut staff or look to automation as a substitute for manual work.
The technology already exists to automate the ordering, preparation, and delivery of product at MCDonald’s [or other franchise]. For the franchise owner, automating replaces his labor headaches. Machines don't get sick, take time off, come in late, argue over shifts, or have other other human problems. All the machines need is periodic maintenance and adjustment.
The SEIU, as an example, is really big on “living” minimum wages for its members. What are these workers going to do if their boss says he's automating and eliminating their job position? SEIU members aren't skilled workers and there's fewer and fewer jobs they can do. Pursuing this “minimum living wage” myth will have negative consequences for the “do gooder” politicians pushing this idea. Low skilled workers will go away and union members will also suffer as increasing minimum wage rates cause blowback in the employment market.
You won’t have to wait until 2025 for an automated fast-food joint. The systems exist now, and fast food recipes are so exacting that they lend themselves very readily to that kind of automation. All it’s going to take is a slight nudge in the direction of automation desirability and it’ll be widespread in no time. The fast food worker cadre won’t believe how quickly they get replaced. No doubt there will be a huge outcry over it, but it’ll all come down to operating efficiency. The restaurants will be able to show better performance, and one more low-skill type of work will vanish.
“Medieval doctors bled their patients with leeches. Far from improving their condition, it left them worse off.”
Leeches are starting to be used again in modern medicine.
I did a little googling and found this:
“Recently, however, leeches have once again found their place in the field of medicine. They are now being bred in captivity in several institutions and leech farms are once again being created, but the use of leeches has become quite sophisticated. Theyre not just used for anything, they are also used in the field of microsurgery and to release or drain the congested blood in some wound sites and are preferred in this area because of their precision. Plastic surgeons also use leeches to treat challenging skin grafts and most especially for reconstructive surgery.”
Before the recession, the total number of manufacturing employees in the USA peaked around June 2008.
Five years later, employees are down 13%, but the value of the goods they produced is only down 2%.
I think the next group of workers to get slaughtered will be interstate truckers who drive warehouse-to-warehouse.
I bet by 2020 we'll have robot expressway trucks, and if their loads are palletized, we'll have robot loaders and unloaders, too.
Great points and true.
Like most of the grocery stores here in Maryland that have automated checkers as does does Home Depot. I love those.
Ironically Walmarts stopping doing automated because of the low quantity of customers they attract (Obama voters) and the low quality of employees they hire, meaning theft.
At least that is what is going on here.
It breaks the cult paradigm. I am not waiting on line at walmart for some group of losers to move.
Regarding another medical practice that made a comeback big time, is using staples instead of stitches.
The Roman military used them for battle wounds. Made them out of silver, which has anti-bacterial properties, and were pre-scored to create weak points making them easier to remove.
Leeches are particularly useful in places where it is hard to dress the injury. For example within an old wound cavity.
I actually would prefer to have my BigMac made by a BurgerBot.
Anheuser-Busch already has robot loaders at their Columbus, OH brewery. I've never seen robot unloading.
The robotic truck is farther away, imo, because people will be afraid of the idea. The people in cars are already afraid of the trucks, I don't think a driverless truck would make them feel any better.
This is EXACTLY what I predicted.The only(employees)left will be”food-prep)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“If Pabst Blue Ribbon were eight bucks a can...Pabst would dissolve away”
Pabst is still on the market? I thought it went out of business years ago. When I was a kid I liked their jazzy commercial of an Indian dancing to the tune of “from the land of sky blue waters”, something like that. Anyway, I’m guessing the PC Police nailed that commercial a long time ago.
When you watch old movies you may be struck by the many jobs people had that no longer exist. Jobs that allowed for one parent working to support their family while one parent staying home to raise the children.
Before the government got involved jobs and wages found an equilibrium between what a person will accept to do a job and what an employer will pay someone to do the job.
All other cost followed.
The government trying to manage the economy changed all that.
From the government giving unions special protection, to setting minimum wage, to regulating every aspect of the economy it is a wonder that it works at all.
While no one can predict the future, I can with pretty much certainty predict that an air plane will fall out of the sky if the engines quick working. One of these days the engine that keeps our economy in the air will quit working and it will crash, worse than any depression we have had before. When that happens we can thank big government and all those that love it so.
There were automated diners in the ‘40’s. But labor was so cheap they couldn’t make it. It’s not so much the direct cost of labor that makes hiring people unattractive, it’s the 45-50% adder cost and the unbounded liability that kills hiring. When you add in unemployment insurance, mandated “benefits” (socialism in the workplace dictated by government) and insurance, mandated paperwork, local taxes, etc. Then, you add on the fact that Congress has put laws on the books allowing your special protected class of workers (blacks) to sue you for imagined discrimination with the taxpayer footing their legal bill...you have the perfect storm to destroy the labor market.
All of the nation’s current economic problems and unemployment are government induced. It’s not just one thing, it’s an entire meddlesome government mentality that would have to change. But, instead of backing away they will meddle even harder.
To make laws to stimulate hamburger flipper jobs is just as wrongheaded as we are when we attempt by legislation to artificially elevate the value of those jobs with minimum wage laws. If we make laws to stimulate the creation of hamburger flipper jobs, or if we pass health care legislation the effect of which is to drive down many workers toward hamburger flipper level jobs, we are severely damaging the economy. If we make legislation to create hamburger flipper level jobs to accommodate another rush of illegal immigrants we are suicidal.
If we let the marketplace decide whether to do a job with a machine or a person we benefit both the person and the manufacturer of the machine as well is the employer who makes that decision and the consumer of the product made as a result of that decision. Let the government interfere in any way in that process and we get dislocations which will surely harm at least one of those people described.
So what do you think flipping hamburgers is worth!!!
BurgerBots’ don’t spit in your food!!!
Yup. Not likely to give you the Jesse Jackson Special Sauce....
“replace humans with robots”........
Some humans ARE robots and cannot think or act for themselves. Our liberal gubmint folks might be a good place to test the robot theory.
Japan and other places have hot-food vending machines.
Select your item, the frozen item is grabbed, microwaved, and deposited in the output hatch.
Japan's population is shrinking and they will not allow non-Japanese to immigrate to any significant degree. They will become leaders in creating automated solutions to replace low-wage grunts, and will export those solutions.
I remember eating at the Horn & Hardart Automat on the lower level of NYC's Macy's back in the 60's.
One thing that helped kill them was inflation. They were viable when you could deposit a coin to get a plate of food. When a plate cost a dollar or more, before machines that could accept dollar bills, you had to switch to having a cashier.
One enterprising chap has invented the hamburger flipping robot, a vending machine that makes hamburgers. Darned good ones too by all reports, complete with bleu cheese or other options.
Of course people concerned about all our jobs going to China will cry, just as French weavers would throw their wooden shoes (sabots) into the automatic weaving machines which were so much more efficient that they would surely put the lower classes out of work and make them starve.
I have no idea. However it’s pretty sad when ya have upwards of 20 million people actually working in jobs, where they’re not even paid enough to pay for the very *basic* of things.
How f’d up is that?
Enjoy your “EXTRA BIG ASS FRIES.”
PBR has made a bit of a comeback due to its being embraced by the urban hipster set.
Well that's pretty damn obvious. Most biz owners in today's America absolutely care less of their employees and have 100 percent zero allegiance with them. This isn't your daddys America.
They have been around for over 100 years. They called them Automats.
Why did the hipster burn his mouth eating pizza?
He ate it before it was cool.
It does punch whole in the argument that invaders are needed to provide cheap labor and jobs US citizens won’t do.
Yes, good point.
A spectacular tragedy could set the idea back many years.
Beer pallets are perfect for automation.
I live quite close to Amazon's prototype grocery warehouse near Seattle.
They bought Kiva several years back, which builds “order fulfillment” robots.
Those little things swarm all over a warehouse, picking individual items, all shapes and sizes and weight, then delivering them to a central, human packing station.
Last time I was there, several years ago, they had just begun to experiment with an unloader.
The demonstration I saw involved pallets of detergent, which were on sale at a special price.
They were also experimenting with Kiva robots stocking shelves rather than picking from them.
Amazon Fresh delivers mostly to individual customers, so they stock and distribute more like a Safeway store than a Costco warehouse.
I love this technology, but it is going to cause revolutionary economic changes for low skilled workers.
Manufacturing middle managers are about to get crushed, too.
Traditionally, collecting data, organizing it, and writing reports was their primary function.
SAP and Oracle are slowly but surely putting those guys out on the street.
Except the automat had humans preparing the food. Now there’ll be one or two techs that maintain the machinery for 4-5 restaurants, plus someone in each location to keep the machines clean and loaded with ingredients, and a “manager” to handle customer issues and to submit support calls.
It's not f'd up at all, those are called entry level jobs, meant for teenagers and retirees. Like the greeter at Wal-Mart! Fast food joints are doing a service to the nation for providing those jobs. Businesses are not in business to provide jobs, they're in business to make a profit and as long as they can find someone that will work for that amount of money that's what they should do. They are already forced to pay minimum wage (an artificial number set by politicians to buy votes) if a persons talent is limited to flipping hamburgers they need to be training to garner more talents not seeking to have the government force an artificial wage so they can be rewarded for their lack of drive , truth is they are already overpaid. enough is enough!!!
How fd up is that?
It's not f'd up at all, those are called entry level jobs, meant for teenagers and retirees
Oh stop with that malt shop bull cheet...All day long when the teens are in school, who's serving you up the fast food slop Mr. ontap?
Go into any fast food joint and what do ya see? Adults and 40 year old illegal aliens...Ya gunna send your 16 year old daughter to work with them??
You need to climb out of the 1950s.
What if the people who are going to be losing their jobs are incapable of handling anything better?
There are some who have made 'life-choices' that have screwed their situations up rather badly, i.e; kids out of wedlock, past drug use, past criminal activity, etc. Employers don't want to hire them. What do we do with them? I'm not trying to tell you or anyone else that they're wrong with their conservative beliefs. However, I've sat and pondered the situation, and I cannot come up with a solution to the problem of all these low-skill workers that it appears cannot be trained for something better.
Perhaps, I have too much compassion.
Anyone have a solution?
Begs the question...Trained for what? Government jobs?
Are there millions of highly skilled jobs available?
Even if there were millions of skilled jobs available, who would work the low skill jobs?
But if they are willing to work all day, is it not possible to pay a wage that at least covers the very *basic* of things like rent, utilities and food?
Those who own most of the franchises are very well off...Trust me...They make millions...
Are the very basic things in life now considered luxuries in today's America?
“Pabst is still on the market? I thought it went out of business years ago. When I was a kid I liked their jazzy commercial of an Indian dancing to the tune of from the land of sky blue waters, something like that. Anyway, Im guessing the PC Police nailed that commercial a long time ago.”
Hamms was the beer from the land of sky blue waters.
Here’s some situations to illustrate:
You’ve got a young woman, made a poor choice and got pregnant at 17. Wasn’t able to finish high school, but did get a GED. She works at a fast-food joint and has to pay for child care because mom and dad want nothing to do with her. When she comes home, she has to take care of the kid and has no time or money to go back to school to get trained for a better-paying skill.
You’ve got a 20-year old male. Did drugs in high school, got poor grades, realized too late that drugs were bad news. Due to his bad grades, he can’t get into college. Not only that, the drugs blew out his ability to concentrate.
You’ve got a 19-year-old male. He comes from the inner-city and has been surrounded by crime all his life. He wants to get ahead, but because of something he did in his early teens that got him a criminal record, no one wants to hire him.
Do you see?
No....government jobs are NOT the solution. We don’t need MORE government...we need less. Any conservative worth his/her salt knows that instinctively. Even so...what does one do with people like these? The young woman would never survive with a minimum wage in the $3.50/4.00 per hour range . The other two wouldn’t be hired by most business owners.
Is there a solution....because the only things I can come up with are indentured servitude in exchange for having one’s basic necessities provided for, or starvation and death.
Am I missing something?
The smart chains are already on this. The threats from the government are quite sufficient to inspire them.
“Hamms was the beer from the land of sky blue waters.”
Ohh, well, I was around five ~ ten years old about that time. So, what can I say. Did that Indian in the Pabst commercial sing anything. What was the Hamms commercial about? Help the old guy out :)
“Ohh, well, I was around five ~ ten years old about that time. So, what can I say. Did that Indian in the Pabst commercial sing anything. What was the Hamms commercial about? Help the old guy out :)”
Lol that’s about as much as I know. I grew up in Texas and we didn’t get Hamms beer down here. I just remembered the cartoon Hamms bear and the song from a TV show I once saw about classic TV commercials.
They do still make PBR in fact I had a few last night.
In answer to your question, it should be possible to get paid that 'basic necessities" wage you suggest.
Question is, how would one qualify? Something to consider for another day.
Intriguing how he clearly ignored the fact that the latest minimum wage increase very quickly raised the unemployment rate from ~5% to ~10%.
There are already some automated fast food outlets out there, others have a kiosk to choose instead of the human cashier.
Go into any fast food joint and what do ya see? Adults and 40 year old illegal aliens...
Patently false: 60% of fast food workers are between the ages of 16-24 30% are 16-19 all of them knew what the job paid and chose to take it.
A big mac costs 3.99, would raising the price 25% to 4.99 really drive away business?