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Psst, did amnesty just die?
Legal Insurrection ^ | 9/20/13 | William Jacobson

Posted on 09/21/2013 5:46:34 AM PDT by Lakeshark

Looks like the chance of ”comprehensive immigration reform” (a/k/a amnesty) passing the House just got a little less.

From Greg Sargent at WaPo, In blow to immigration reform, House `gang of seven’ bill looks dead

"In a blow to the hopes of passing immigration reform anytime soon, the bipartisan House “gang of seven” plan is probably dead, and almost certainly won’t be introduced this fall as promised, a top Democrat on the “gang” acknowledges.

“It doesn’t appear that we’re going to move forward with the group of seven,” Dem Rep. Luis Gutierrez, a key player on immigration as a member of the gang, said in an interview with me. “The process is stalled. I don’t believe we’re going to produce a bill anytime soon.”

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Wow, another piece of good news. Keep the pressure up, this "dream act" nightmare looks like it's almost over in this incarnation.
1 posted on 09/21/2013 5:46:34 AM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: Lakeshark

Amnesty is only as dead as gun control. They’re both like the monster at the end of the horror movie. You think it’s dead and the lovely couple come closer and closer then it lunges at them.


2 posted on 09/21/2013 5:48:01 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Lakeshark

Doubtful it amnesty will ever “die”.

Its like a horror movie plot, with endless sequels...


3 posted on 09/21/2013 5:48:45 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." (Glenn Beck))
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To: Lakeshark

It died, at least until 2014 November where we will see whether the House majority stays Republican or not.


4 posted on 09/21/2013 5:49:05 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: onyx; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; zeestephen; Borax Queen; Jim Robinson
Good news ping. It ain't over yet, but it's looking like we may win this one.

Kudos to everyone who put pressure on the congress, let's not stop until it's truly dead.

5 posted on 09/21/2013 5:49:34 AM PDT by Lakeshark (KILL THE BILL! CALL. FAX. WRITE.)
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To: Lakeshark

It died, at least until 2014 November where we will see whether the House majority stays Republican or not.


6 posted on 09/21/2013 5:49:48 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Lakeshark

The “gang of seven” is dead...two GOP members quit it..


7 posted on 09/21/2013 5:50:04 AM PDT by ken5050 (According to Dick Lugar, I'm a "random outlier." Woo Hoo!!!!)
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To: txrangerette

I hear ya, this bill has more lives than a black cat (somehow that must be racis.....:-)

Good news for this incarnation though.


8 posted on 09/21/2013 5:51:15 AM PDT by Lakeshark (KILL THE BILL! CALL. FAX. WRITE.)
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To: Lakeshark

Amnesty is failing, because the American economy is failing.

Because America is sending all our jobs overseas.

Frankly if we would hire people, we would be in a position to bring more people into the country.

WAKE UP PEOPLE.

This is what happens, when we offshore all our jobs.

Hire Americans.

Then and only then, can we look at bringing in more Americans.

Bring back American jobs.


9 posted on 09/21/2013 5:52:12 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Lakeshark

It’ll never die, but it looks like it got pushed to the back burner for a spell.

Kind of neat what happens once conservatives in Congress start pushing back, no?


10 posted on 09/21/2013 5:53:00 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: Gaffer
Th killing of this bill, along with staying strong about defunding Bambicare will go a long way towards the GOP and TEA party keeping the House. Keep calling your rep (and the House leadership) to encourage them, they're actually doing the right thing for a change!
11 posted on 09/21/2013 5:53:40 AM PDT by Lakeshark (KILL THE BILL! CALL. FAX. WRITE.)
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To: Lakeshark
Not so fast.....we're talking democrats here. Always look for what's in the other hand. The gang bill looks dead; there's probably something even worse coming down the pike. Bottom line - they won't even look toward what they should - enforcing the current legislation fast and hard in order to drive the border jumpers back across the river.
12 posted on 09/21/2013 5:55:29 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
>> if we would hire people, we would be in a position to bring more people into the country force the ghettoRAT parasites to work for a living. <<
13 posted on 09/21/2013 6:00:52 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering FREAKS!)
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To: Lakeshark

No, the House wasn’t going to directly pass ‘comprehensive amnesty’ anyway.

They’ll still likely try to sneak by some little ‘dreamer’ or border security bill, which can magically be transformed into the Senate’s comprehensive amnesty, already passed, when it goes to conference.


14 posted on 09/21/2013 6:02:10 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“WAKE UP PEOPLE. This is what happens, when we offshore all our jobs.”

Companies didn’t take off for overseas for labor reasons. They left because government made doing business here dangerous and expensive. By dangerous I mean city, county, state or federal EPA inspectors can decided they don’t like the puddle on your floor and shut you down. That would destroy most companies. The government will supply your dissatisfied black employee a free lawyer at taxpayer expense to sue you for any imagined “racial” slight. OSHA isn’t quite as bad as the EPA as they give you a chance to deal with whatever issue before they shut you down. But having experts on staff to deal with just the above is a huge expense. Move overseas and you don’t have to put up with those issues or bizarre labor codes, unions or virtually any of the business negatives you get here. But the cherry on the cake is Obamacare. What will your expenses be next year? What’s your exposure? What’s your risk? NOBODY can answer that and that facts makes companies nervous enough to stay away from the US.


15 posted on 09/21/2013 6:02:31 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Lakeshark
This bill in it's current form maybe dead, but the concept ( along with more gun-control climate change etc ) never die in the hearts of these statist, as they look for a moment in time to weasel them in like Oboingocare.

However, I am sensing a change in momentum however small, that because of Bengazi, Syria, Putin, Iran etc they are starting to loose their gravitas and maybe are finally being seen for the amateurs they are.

Is it me or are they on Defense at the moment? This is a beautiful thing...

16 posted on 09/21/2013 6:02:34 AM PDT by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks....)
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To: Lakeshark

This is what the senate should have done...but the gang of 8 went to the end even after the bill was loaded with all kinds of shi’ite.

While SOME parts of the bill may have been debatable the end result was a disaster. An insult.

To the very end supporters of Rubio called and email their objections but to no avail as we know. Here in Florida there has been a lot of speculation as to his behavior..rumors and so on. Even his long time political friends seemed puzzled.

A lot of criticism has been posted here..and rightly so ...but I think there may be a lot we dont know.

Part of my family came to the US territories of AZ and NM at the turn of the 1900s from mexico(mexico isnt a real country, just a zone)and my wife’s family came here in the late 80s from Colombia. We arent for amnesty in any form.


17 posted on 09/21/2013 6:04:50 AM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: taildragger
This is a beautiful thing...

Absolutely.

18 posted on 09/21/2013 6:04:57 AM PDT by Lakeshark (KILL THE BILL! CALL. FAX. WRITE.)
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To: Lakeshark

Please God.


19 posted on 09/21/2013 6:05:31 AM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: Gen.Blather

They also leave for tax reasons. Property taxes, not only on buildings and land, but also on **equipment** drive companies off-shore.

Gee! Think about it. Government schooling, with up to $30,000/kid/year, is driving businesses out of the country and putting people out of work!

By the way, whatever you state says it costs to school a kid, double that amount. Government schools have accounting practices that would make an Enron accountant blush!


20 posted on 09/21/2013 6:06:31 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Lakeshark

Illegals are still here and more are coming every day with little fear of deportation.

Sounds like de-facto amnesty to me.


21 posted on 09/21/2013 6:08:57 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Amnesty is failing, because the American economy is failing.

Because America is sending all our jobs overseas.

Frankly if we would hire people, we would be in a position to bring more people into the country.

WAKE UP PEOPLE.

This is what happens, when we offshore all our jobs.

################################

You make it sound like it is the fault of employers that jobs are going overseas. This ignores the real cause of that effect.

The real cause is the ever-increasing government taxation and regulation of employers in every aspect of their business.

The jobs aren’t being sent overseas by the employers, they are being pushed out by Govco.

Until you deal with the root issue, the symptoms are going to keep getting worse. And soon the patient will die.


22 posted on 09/21/2013 6:09:10 AM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: Lakeshark

Amnesty never dies - it just gets postponed.


23 posted on 09/21/2013 6:09:49 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: rrrod
This is what the senate should have done...but the gang of 8 went to the end even after the bill was loaded with all kinds of shi’ite. While SOME parts of the bill may have been debatable the end result was a disaster. An insult.

Marco Rubio (and some others, notably Paul Ryan in the House as well) totally blew this one, he'll never be the same. What a total fool he made of himself over this stupid bill.

24 posted on 09/21/2013 6:10:11 AM PDT by Lakeshark (KILL THE BILL! CALL. FAX. WRITE.)
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To: Lakeshark

LS, you sense it too? please elaborate....


25 posted on 09/21/2013 6:12:06 AM PDT by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks....)
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To: wintertime

“Gee! Think about it. Government schooling, with up to $30,000/kid/year, is driving businesses out of the country and putting people out of work!”

In Tallahassee the city owns the utility company. Corporations like where I worked in ‘97 had a “special” rate. It was $30,000 per month. Translating the bill to my personal rate it would have been about $7,000. The difference is a hidden tax on companies who don’t vote. Only a third of my property tax, call it $500, went toward schools. But, obviously, if they’re spending $28,000 per student and nobody is paying more than a third of their property tax to schools, then somebody is making up the difference. But, amazingly, the city tried on several occasions to run my company out of town. The local university finally bought the building at such a large price the company decided to leave. That building has been empty now for five years. Talk about stupidity squared.


26 posted on 09/21/2013 6:12:18 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: cripplecreek
With three more years of the this evil administration, you're absolutely right.

The only good news about the bad economy is not so many will be coming.........

27 posted on 09/21/2013 6:14:16 AM PDT by Lakeshark (KILL THE BILL! CALL. FAX. WRITE.)
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To: Lakeshark

So Marco Rubio threw his career in the toilet for nothing.


28 posted on 09/21/2013 6:15:40 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: cripplecreek

With the way shopkeepers around here neglect Americans in favor of the poor downtrodden foreigner with his credit card that doesn’t work, areher pushing her way into the express line with a cart full of stuff, their insisting that if we don’t peak their language there’s something we’re doing wrong, I’ll tke the defacto amnesty over promises of our caving even further, forgetting we even have any kind of sovereignty, pretending we’re bad people.

Maybe the bishops pushing for this will take time off and sit and review the Catechism and find out how misguided they


29 posted on 09/21/2013 6:16:40 AM PDT by stanne
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To: P-Marlowe

he is young......... it will blow over


30 posted on 09/21/2013 6:18:02 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: taildragger
Falling poll numbers for Bambi, their incompetence and sheer arrogance showing through the MSM haze, random journalism that has been showing their incompetence, did I mention their incompetence? I also think people are tired of Bambi's divisive act, and they are tuning out now.

Finally, the apparent stiffening of the backbone in the House GOP.

I think there is a break in the force............Apologies for the Star Wars metaphor.........

:-)

31 posted on 09/21/2013 6:18:52 AM PDT by Lakeshark (KILL THE BILL! CALL. FAX. WRITE.)
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To: Lakeshark

Marco Rubio is the same, people’s perception of him will never be the same. They thought he was wonderful because he said he was wonderful and because he speaks without saying UH, duh, um, and without a teleprompter.

It didn’t matter what he was saying, he said it so well. Any woman over the age of forty knows where that gets you... Amnesty, and whatever else this guy falls for (Shumer & Co played him like a fiddle)


32 posted on 09/21/2013 6:20:26 AM PDT by stanne
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To: P-Marlowe
He apparently did, and it's a shame.

It will take him the better part of five or six years to get his creds back, and it might not entirely happen IMHO.

We shall see.

33 posted on 09/21/2013 6:20:43 AM PDT by Lakeshark (KILL THE BILL! CALL. FAX. WRITE.)
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To: txrangerette

It is still there. Like the queen bee in The Swarm, it is still alive, dragging herself out of the dead bees, living to breed again and come back stronger, more powerful and deadlier than before.

Forgotten...but not gone.


34 posted on 09/21/2013 6:20:56 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Lakeshark

John Carter was taken behind the barn and given an old fashion butt spanking at a local Tea Party sponsored, well attended by illegals, town hall... The meeting lasted five hours, limited by room availability, and still all of the people were not heard...

This was held in fly over Central Texas (Salado)...

At the most recent Tea Party meeting, one of his aides was in attendance and she took home an earful also...

But we must remember the Tea Party movement is dead, dead, dead..../s


35 posted on 09/21/2013 6:21:24 AM PDT by CenTex (November 6, 2012... A day that will live in infamy!!!)
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To: CenTex
Dan Benishek gave a town hall meeting in August, well attended. Lots of conservatives there (tea types), there was a line out the door and it was standing room only. He got lots of applause for his stand on illegals, plus an earful about the defunding issue.

He's listening, doing the right thing, and I like that. I called his office yesterday to give him some encouragement.

36 posted on 09/21/2013 6:25:40 AM PDT by Lakeshark (KILL THE BILL! CALL. FAX. WRITE.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Please read my post #20.

Government kills businesses through by way of thousand little cuts.

I quit! I am an Atlas Shrugged and my husband is too and so are the jobs we created.


37 posted on 09/21/2013 6:26:38 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime

OK I read your post.

All I can say is congratulations, China is now America’s equal in international trade, and growing.

What exactly do you suppose is going to happen, as China grows, and America shrinks?

Do you actually believe (anything) about America becomes stronger?

Is everyone sleeping in this country, right now?

I think so.


38 posted on 09/21/2013 6:31:32 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Lakeshark
Let’s hope that is the case – but now the focus should be on ridding ourselves of the Trainwreck of Obamacare.

BTW, did anyone see this:

Truckers To Shut Down America
https://www.facebook.com/truckerstoshutdownamerica

The American people are sick and tired of the corruption that is destroying America! We therefore declare a GENERAL STRIKE on the weekend of October 11-13, 2013! Truck drivers will not haul freight! Americans can strike in solidarity with truck drivers!

39 posted on 09/21/2013 6:32:14 AM PDT by HammerT (The Obama Recession, you bone it you own it.)
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To: Lakeshark

not necessary, apologies for the Force


40 posted on 09/21/2013 6:33:56 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: Lakeshark
I don't know why Rubio is taking the worst of the heat, except that we all had so much faith in him. McCain, Flake, Ayotte, Murkowski, Graham (etc) should've known better.

He might really believe that invaders who are parts of communities should stay. He's completely wrong, of course. The US is not about breaking the law and then being rewarded for it.

He should've learned as the process went along, that US citiznes wanted secure borders, EVerify, and sending home invaders before there was any talk about the invaders left. The next step would've been to send home those who could be replaced by US citizens and any who were collecting any form of government freebies (including education).

So why did he get suckered in by Shummer and McCain instead of learning from what his constituents were saying? Maybe in a few years, and with no more traitorous decisions on the invasion, Marc Rubio could sit down and have an honest dialogue with people who trusted him.

41 posted on 09/21/2013 6:43:30 AM PDT by grania
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To: Lakeshark

Sadly (like watching a good kid go bad) I agree. The Tea Party of S Florida fought like hell to get Rubio elected......

Hard to explain but he was acting very odd during all this crap...and seemed just not there. Several folks mentioned this.


42 posted on 09/21/2013 6:44:16 AM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: taildragger
change in momentum....

Don't forget Snowden. The intellectual liberal elite that tended to support Obama are on the whole tech savy and concerned about personal freedom. Snowden being labelled a traitor and hunted to all corners of the earth didn't sit well. Snowden's a traitor but we send weapons to AlQuaida? Huh?

43 posted on 09/21/2013 6:46:31 AM PDT by grania
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To: Gaffer; All
It died, at least until 2014 November where we will see whether the House majority stays Republican or not.

Exactly right! Full steam ahead to keep the R majority in House and (hopefully) make gains in the Senate.

44 posted on 09/21/2013 6:49:21 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: grania; rrrod
Rubio ran against amnesty as one of his issues to get elected, then turned into its champion in the Senate. I liked what he had been doing, I did hope he would be one of the good ones.

My problem with him is how much he lied about the amnesty bill. I heard him on Rush saying how he would turn against it if it wasn't truly an enforcement first, border security bill. As the process unfolded, and it became obvious his priorities had been gutted, he kept claiming the bill was as he had said. The man even voted against some of his own earlier stated goals of security.

I liked him, but after watching how he lied, I won't really trust him again.

45 posted on 09/21/2013 6:51:18 AM PDT by Lakeshark (KILL THE BILL! CALL. FAX. WRITE.)
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To: Lakeshark

Yep..understandable. Career is over probably.


46 posted on 09/21/2013 6:53:33 AM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: rrrod

Rubio probably thought he could convert anti-amnesty constitutionalists to his own unconstitutional preferences, but he failed in that regard. That doesn’t mean though that “amnesty” is not coming. Nor does that mean that FL people know he even favors amnesty.


47 posted on 09/21/2013 6:58:14 AM PDT by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!")
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To: CenTex

I didn’t know that John Carter had turned traitor too. Has he?


48 posted on 09/21/2013 7:00:46 AM PDT by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!")
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
WAKE UP PEOPLE.

If I had a company that manufactured widgets for $1.00 each then sold them for $2.00 each; then found out that I could have them manufactured overseas and have them delivered to my warehouse for $.75 each what should I do?

49 posted on 09/21/2013 7:14:48 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (The Presidency is broken.)
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To: Lakeshark

Any time Congress can ruin ” Dem Rep. Luis Gutierrez, demands is indeed ia sign things are moving forward how they should be.


50 posted on 09/21/2013 7:16:02 AM PDT by moonshinner_09
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