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Sticker Shock: Californians suddenly discover why all the Republican shouting over #Obamacare.
http://www.redstate.com/2013/10/06/california-exchanges-sticker-shock-obamacare/ ^ | 10-6-2013 | Moe Lane

Posted on 10/06/2013 9:55:10 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather

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To: hal ogen
LIBs are insufferable asses. I really prefer not to communicate or socialize with them.

How true. It is useless talking to them, they will never see through the haze of their ideology. Even when their own ox is gored they rationalize it to be Conservatives fault.
101 posted on 10/06/2013 2:15:39 PM PDT by 867V309 (Stupidity is ordained; Ignorance is a choice.)
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To: who knows what evil?

Well!! I took care of mine!!


102 posted on 10/06/2013 2:16:41 PM PDT by ontap (***)
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103 posted on 10/06/2013 2:17:38 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

“...left unchecked, they will be adjusted. Only upwards”

The author is not informed.

The rates are scheduled to go up dramatically in 2015.

Either Ted Cruz will be in a powerful position, or people will be begging him to be, along with anyone who supported his position last week.

Everyone else will be home, reducing the size of their holdings, and that includes McCain and all who sided with him.


104 posted on 10/06/2013 2:19:03 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Venturer

Vent... I believe courts can do this to satisfy unpaid judgements.

I know some pro-lifers who this happen to satisfy unpaid fines.


105 posted on 10/06/2013 2:29:20 PM PDT by willibeaux (de ole Korean War vet age 83)
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To: ontap
My guess is this a$$#@!e was perfectly alright when he thought it was just going to be those nasty rich guys getting pounded....welcome to Obamas America...peasant .. shut up and pay!!

He’ll be fine - he’s probably worth tens of millions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SyntheSys_Research

106 posted on 10/06/2013 3:09:23 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: McGavin999
The guy can’t really be all that surprised, can he? He was perfectly willing to finance the healthcare for the poor on the back of someone else, he just never realized that he would be that “someone else”

He’ll be fine - he’s probably worth tens of millions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SyntheSys_Research


107 posted on 10/06/2013 3:10:19 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
Isn’t Communist thinking adorable..who did this idiot think would end up paying for this..oh yeah, I forgot, those evil evil rich people..Commies want everyone else paying for their freebies but they are up in arms when they find out THEY have to pay for it..karma baby..karma..I hope they choke on it(I assume Obamacare covers karma choking)

He’ll be fine - he’s probably worth tens of millions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SyntheSys_Research

108 posted on 10/06/2013 3:11:19 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
“Of course, I want people to have health care,” Vinson said. “I just didn’t realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally.”

You mean the government isn't going to pay for it? /s

109 posted on 10/06/2013 4:16:15 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Slicing from a steaming hot Schadenfreude pie!! Oh, Tom, does it hurt? Oh, please. Tell me again how it hurts.


110 posted on 10/06/2013 5:05:41 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: sheikdetailfeather

The fantasy of “free or low cost medical insurance for everyone” hits another liberal idiot up side the head.

Instead of learning something from it, he’ll blame the Republicans and/or greedy insurance companies and scream for single-payer.


111 posted on 10/06/2013 5:32:43 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: onyx

“Shame on this individual for believing the Marxist in the first place.”
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Amen, the most amazing thing about the unaffordable don’t give a damn act is that so many people, many of them totally opposed to it still actually thought that it was supposed to work. That was never the actual intent, it was designed to fail from the start if you can actually call such a mess “designed”.


112 posted on 10/06/2013 5:44:41 PM PDT by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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To: RipSawyer

You’re precisely right.


113 posted on 10/06/2013 5:48:00 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Zhang Fei

good find
more theater


114 posted on 10/06/2013 6:27:17 PM PDT by SisterK (its all a spiritual war)
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To: Tupelo

We don’t really need the far left. We are winning over the Independents and the moderate Democrats. That’s how you win. The far left are too dimwitted to think for themselves.


115 posted on 10/06/2013 6:33:16 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: VerySadAmerican

There is a portion of the far left that will never come around. We will never convince them and really don’t need them to win the war.


116 posted on 10/06/2013 6:44:17 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: sheikdetailfeather

If Waschura is a Democratic supporter, he’s not a very enthusiastic one, given that he’s probably a multi-millionaire. There’s no record of any political contributions from him to the Democrats:

http://newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_result.php?last=waschura&first=


117 posted on 10/06/2013 8:00:16 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Mark17

Re “If a conservative is a guy who got mugged THIS DUDE GOT MUGGED”.

No, in the world of liberal Democrats and Englishmen, HE GOT BUGGERED BUTT GOOD.

Remember the old adage about Democrats, esp. under Clinton:

“If the Democrats are in town, your wallet is empty and your daughter is pregnant!”


118 posted on 10/06/2013 8:55:43 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: ReaganGeneration2

“Coming soon: Left talking points blaming the greedy insurance companies...”

And then demonstrations for single payer.


119 posted on 10/06/2013 10:57:38 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: ReaganGeneration2
Coming soon: Left talking points blaming the greedy insurance companies...

I already ran into a few of them bringing that up. I know some people will learn the truth but you'll always have those that will not. I'd rather deal with insurance companies, as a pain in the butt they are, than the government run system. My mother is fighting inflammatory breast cancer, Stage III. She had a left mastectomy ad chemo prior to that. The doctors tested the surrounding areas for cancer that they tested negative so she got it all from what we know. She will still need chemo once the wound heals as a precaution to make sure. Well, Mom needed some supplies and the insurance company said no. Well the doctor called them up and told them Mom needed them and they finally approved it. At least with the companies, you can work with them and get approval much easier than the government system. If The Man says no, you're screwed.
120 posted on 10/06/2013 11:11:23 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (L.C. Greenwood - Pittsburgh Steeler - RIP (1946-2013))
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To: Kickass Conservative; metmom; sheikdetailfeather

“The Prisoners in the Gulags cried when Stalin died.”

I didn’t know that - so I went and searched around and found this...

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/letters/rear-window-death-of-a-tyrant-even-stalins-victims-wept-with-grief-when-he-died-1414398.html

It’s frightening how malleable human beings can be under the power of propaganda and brainwashing.

Which leads me to conclude that, by far, the first amendment and specifically free speech and a free press is our most important freedom.


121 posted on 10/06/2013 11:13:50 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: carriage_hill
They’ll just blame it on the Pubbies, greedy Drs, medical and pharma, and insurance companies. Most can’t see beyond their wart-covered noses, due to White liberal guilt and blind allegiance to 0bummer&Co. They’ll get the tax subsidies, and claim victory. Some things never change.

I know what you mean, it is like a political version of Stockholm Syndrome or Battered Wife Syndrome.
122 posted on 10/06/2013 11:19:09 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (L.C. Greenwood - Pittsburgh Steeler - RIP (1946-2013))
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To: sheikdetailfeather
Right, and the new talking point is "Give Obamacare a Chance".

I expect 1/2 the retards voting for the RATs to believe it, and the other half will stay home
in the next election. Wait until they discover the other lies their precious RATs have been telling them.

123 posted on 10/06/2013 11:56:36 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: aquila48

I guess that is like the abused wife who stays with her husband.

Not me. (Not that I am an abused wife, but no way would I stay with someone to mourn for someone who abused me)


124 posted on 10/06/2013 11:59:44 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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To: stanne
The rates are scheduled to go up dramatically in 2015.


I forgot about that part. Oh man are people who voted RAT going to be happy.
And now that those happy go lucky college voters are Grads they'll get to see
the real world from a reality standpoint.

125 posted on 10/07/2013 12:04:33 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: MaxMax

The truth has been a casualty in this political climate.

The dems have a brilliance, and Mr. Stompyfoot is the best, about projecting blame, and onto the republicans, who are trying to run their own game, but, as the decent people party, are not good at it at all.

And college kids are blamed, despised and completely abused.

Their parents are neglecting them wholesale, like a lot of day care dumping post abortive adolescents who cannot teach them right from wrong any better than they can manage money.

They are emerging from college with 20 G in debt before they are old enough to make a decision about buying a beer.

During the Viet Nam War, the voting age was switched to 18 from 21.

We can despise them all we want, but I certainly don’t get it.

We are strapping them with all of this debt, killing 1.3 million of them per year in abortion mills, allowing them to go to college to drink for four years,a nd emerge into an unemployment vacuum of way above 19% and just like the voting age, slapping all sorts of weird age limits, like 26 years old for adulthood in health insurance.

Forget it. They are not going to blame Harry Reid Or BO. They are going to blame the entire generation, the way we blame them.

They are going to feel as devoted to the parent they have in a nursing home as that parent felt toward them at six weeks old tossing them into a day care center.


126 posted on 10/07/2013 4:28:48 AM PDT by stanne
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To: MaxMax

The truth has been a casualty in this political climate.

The dems have a brilliance, and Mr. Stompyfoot is the best, about projecting blame, and onto the republicans, who are trying to run their own game, but, as the decent people party, are not good at it at all.

And college kids are blamed, despised and completely abused.

Their parents are neglecting them wholesale, like a lot of day care dumping post abortive adolescents who cannot teach them right from wrong any better than they can manage money.

They are emerging from college with 20 G in debt before they are old enough to make a decision about buying a beer.

During the Viet Nam War, the voting age was switched to 18 from 21.

We can despise them all we want, but I certainly don’t get it.

We are strapping them with all of this debt, killing 1.3 million of them per year in abortion mills, allowing them to go to college to drink for four years,a nd emerge into an unemployment vacuum of way above 19% and just like the voting age, slapping all sorts of weird age limits, like 26 years old for adulthood in health insurance.

Forget it. They are not going to blame Harry Reid Or BO. They are going to blame the entire generation, the way we blame them.

They are going to feel as devoted to the parent they have in a nursing home as that parent felt toward them at six weeks old tossing them into a day care center.


127 posted on 10/07/2013 4:28:49 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Hayride
If you’re surprised by the realities of BOzoCare you’re lazy, stupid or brainwashed and most likely a combination of all three.

Likewise public education, which got us here.

128 posted on 10/07/2013 4:41:32 AM PDT by HomeAtLast (The original Tea Party entailed a willingness to do without some tea.)
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To: Innovative
“Of course, I want people to have health care,” Vinson said. “I just did’t realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally.”

Guess he thought the magic unicorn or the lucky leprechaun's pot of gold was going to fund it....?

Hopefully enough of these sleeping citizens will wake up before it is to late...but I have my doubts....
129 posted on 10/07/2013 4:46:00 AM PDT by PigRigger (Donate to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org - The Troops have our front covered, let's guard their backs!)
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To: stanne
And college kids are blamed, despised and completely abused.

They are emerging from college with 20G in debt before they are old enough to make a decision about buying a beer.

True, and they are the ones who volunteered for Obama even before they were old enough to vote.

True, and they learned it was cool to hate old people like John McCain, because, well, he was old.

True, and they are being told they must sign up for the good of the country--ObamaCare only works if the young and healthy sign up and pay six times what health insurance would have cost them in the pre-ObamaCare era. Just don't tell them they have to pay more so the old can pay less.

True, and they are the ones who have been raised in propaganda, tempered in agitprop, and fed a steady diet of Stewart and Colbert. Anything wrong is the fault of the Republicans. Anything that does not work is the fault of the Republicans.

As for the abortion mills, they are the ones who insist on free abortions in ObamaCare. The guys call themselves "Bro-Choice", and actually write blogs on how abortion should be free, otherwise "casual sex outside of relationships becomes far more difficult to come by."

Sorry, as a society, we are reaping what we sowed. Previous generations had to do chores to earn an allowance. Previous generations worked part-time jobs as teenagers to pay for gas and dates. Previous generations worked part-time jobs in college to help pay for their crappy cinder-block studio apartment. Previous generations did not "celebrate" a Little League loss with pizza and pitchers of soda after the game.

You are worried they will blame us? They already do. Maybe they should blame us, but not for what they think they should blame us for.

And on that note, and oldie but a goodie:

Afterburner with Bill Whittle: Three and a Half Days

130 posted on 10/07/2013 6:10:22 AM PDT by magellan
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To: Grampa Dave
Thanks for the post. This one really perfectly sums it up:


131 posted on 10/07/2013 6:20:39 AM PDT by magellan
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To: ontap

I did the same. It was a bit painful for my wife at first, who would rather have had civilty with her “friends”, than to stand on principle, but she did come around, eventually.

Leftists are not invited to my homestead.....nor are they welcome.


132 posted on 10/07/2013 6:32:13 AM PDT by QualityMan (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: VerySadAmerican

“They’ll be just like the Japanese women throwing their children off cliffs rather than hand them over to the “American Devils”.”

Yes, they certainly will. Note also that oppressed people, even those in chains, will often love their oppressors even more fervently than if they were free. It is a sad fact of human psychology. I occasionally relate this to the use of abortion as a leftist recruiting tactic. If you can get a young, anxious girl to commit a heinous act, she will be a fervent supporter of those who legitimize the act. She depends on them to shield her from the thought she might be a “bad person”. And that, dear friends, lies at the heart of the leftists’ religious adoration for the sacrament of abortion. It is essential to protecting their fragile mental health.


133 posted on 10/07/2013 6:54:54 AM PDT by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: iacovatx

-— . If you can get a young, anxious girl to commit a heinous act, she will be a fervent supporter of those who legitimize the act. She depends on them to shield her from the thought she might be a “bad person”.-—

That makes sense


134 posted on 10/07/2013 6:58:30 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: magellan

Thanks for the bill whittle

I am not afraid of young people blaming anyone. I am pointing out that shifts in thinking occur. It is NOT their fault that our culture is the way it is

And the culture will change. Abortion will stop. Legalized abortion is against natural law.

A generation coming up will se that. They will despise us as we do slave owners

Being fearful of that has nothing to do with anything. It will happen

We don’t like Hitler and his people We have killed 53 million and there is no limit

We might through drug, sex and TV addiction be able to time out the truth. But counting on succeeding generations to shift blame like they are as prideful and ignorant as we are is myopic

They will get nothing out of 25% social security they pay out of their checks

They are to be expected to take care of this generation when we get old after we birth controlled and aborted them out of about 300 million of their peers, carted them off to day care, leaving them loveless for most of their day as infants for the sake ofoney. And we expect their world to be like this one ?

And we want to blame them for Obama

No The only reason they vote is that adults took advantage of them in the Viet Nam war. During WWII they could trust adults to decide well on leaders

Leaders are chosen now based on what can this guy give me. Not the country

Young people are being given a very very bad deal. What each adult has done to fix it will be important as to how they are treated when they are in need along with tens and hundreds of millions of other old people and a few young people with no spouse, children, no family and a lousy job and all this debt from the dems, our selfishness, tens of thousands of college debt no health care - no doctors, no medical breakthroughs and out of control cost.

People can mumble all day in Alzheimer’s stupor how these people are at fault. But their incentive to make things nice for us will be inverse proportional to how we treated them. They’ll be the ones with the power


135 posted on 10/07/2013 7:01:37 AM PDT by stanne
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To: QualityMan

We found the quality of life was improved by not having them around....liberals are very angry people!!!


136 posted on 10/07/2013 7:10:09 AM PDT by ontap (***)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

-— . If you can get a young, anxious girl to commit a heinous act, she will be a fervent supporter of those who legitimize the act. She depends on them to shield her from the thought she might be a “bad person”.-—

“That makes sense”


There is a wealth of research that supports the relationship of “once an action is taken” then the person’s attitude will conform to justify that action. It is most often associated with the work of a researcher named Festinger back in the 1950s (about 1954).


137 posted on 10/07/2013 8:02:10 AM PDT by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: sheikdetailfeather; tumblindice; metmom; ExTexasRedhead; bamahead; socialismisinsidious; ...
The quotes from Mr. Waschura (and a California woman) about their new Obamacare health insurance policies were discussed on Rush Limbaugh's radio show in some detail today. Rush attributed them not to Red State but to the left-leaning MSM's San Jose Mercury News.

The mere fact that quotes from some ordinary citizens dissatisfied with Obamacare appeared in an MSM organ and were cited on Rush's show should be considered as a modest victory for our side of the debate. Up until now, such stories have been pretty much banned by the MSM.

138 posted on 10/07/2013 2:00:51 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

I agree.


139 posted on 10/07/2013 2:01:49 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: justiceseeker93

Good news. It does happen, sometimes.


140 posted on 10/07/2013 2:04:39 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
"I was laughing at Boehner -- until the mail came today,..."

...and now we're laughing at you.

"Of course, I want people to have health care," Vinson said. "I just didn't realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally."

Of course I'm curious...would someone please ask her who she thought would be paying for it?

You were both Obama and Unaffordable Health Care Act supporters...now suck it up!

We don't want to hear your whining!

141 posted on 10/07/2013 2:49:56 PM PDT by gogeo (I didn't leave the Republican Party, it left me.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Since we’ve not succeeded in beating them nor converting them, at least I can enjoy their pain. Consider it an in-kind contribution, Mr. Waschura. $10K you don’t have for yourself, your wife and your kids.


142 posted on 10/07/2013 2:52:48 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: justiceseeker93

Thanks for the ping!


143 posted on 10/07/2013 6:23:43 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Nowhere Man
At least with the companies, you can work with them and get approval much easier than the government system. If The Man says no, you're screwed.

I'm not sure what you mean. You are still dealing with insurance companies on the exchanges, Medicare, and Medicaid. I have been on a state plan for years and a private company is always involved. Now single-payer might be a different matter. P.S. Best wishes to your mom.

144 posted on 10/07/2013 6:30:03 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: justiceseeker93
They won't admit it but the MSM may finally be seeing through Obama’s ‘transparency’ a bit.
145 posted on 10/07/2013 6:55:31 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: sheikdetailfeather

It’s really hard for me to feel sympathy for Obama voting morons.

Unfortunately, their stupidity is going to hurt all of us badly, in soooo many ways.


146 posted on 10/07/2013 6:59:47 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Don't be afraid to see what you see. -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: metmom

naw he’ll go cry baby to welfare. when people who truly need it for a short time can’t get it or have to sell off their car and liquidate a $500 401K. To much liquid stuff to meet requirements.


147 posted on 10/08/2013 3:00:58 AM PDT by GailA (THOSE WHO DON'T KEEP PROMISES TO THE MILITARY, WON'T KEEP THEM TO U!)
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