Skip to comments.Genetic Roots of Ashkenazi Jews
Posted on 10/08/2013 11:57:29 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
The majority of Ashkenazi Jews are descended from prehistoric European women, according to study published today (October 8) in Nature Communications. While the Jewish religion began in the Near East, and the Ashkenazi Jews were believed to have origins in the early indigenous tribes of this region, new evidence from mitochondrial DNA, which is passed on exclusively from mother to child, suggests that female ancestors of most modern Ashkenazi Jews converted to Judaism in the north Mediterranean around 2,000 years ago and later in west and central Europe.
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I suppose that explains why you see some Jews with very "European" features and others with very Middle Eastern features. It also explains why so many movies cast Italian actors as Jewish characters, and vice-versa!
Sadly, I always get asked if I am arab.
French/German/Polish Jews in background. Cohen haplotype.
(And I am thinking to the people who ask me if I am arab, “Really, see the little round hat in the back. The suit?)
I seem to also remember that Ashkenazi Jews had the highest IQs of any group on the planet.
Maybe they just assume that anyone with a long, dark beard is an Arab. Like the idiots who attack Sikhs for being “Muslim terrorists.”
Jewish men dating shiksas. So what this is new?.............
(No sarcasm here.) Please educate my misconception, then.
To my current way of thinking, Arab is a general type of ethnic group, and Jews come from many different ethnic groups.
For instance, I used to get my hair cut by a Jewish lady from Iran. (Yes, I know, Iranian IS NOT Arab, but I'm talking about the general concept here, not the particulars.) She seemed both Jewish and Iranian.
I’d be interested in looking at the genetics of (Christian) southern Europeans in general, especially Greeks and Italians. You’d probably find an interesting mix of characteristic European haplotypes and Middle Eastern ones (thanks to Phoenicians/Carthaginians/Moors, etc). You certainly see it in the people: I’ve known some people from Sicily and Naples who look like Vikings and others who look like Arabs.
Should be approached with caution as these claims seem to contradict numerous past DNA studies, but this would lend credence to some indications that as much as 10% of the Roman Empire was Jewish or converts to Judaism.
I knew a Japanese-American fellow that was always being mistaken for Mexican.
The true genetic descendants of the Jews are the Palestinians.
Believe it or not sometimes that little round hat is kind of hard to see - black on black hair.
I can't imagine mistaking a Japanese person for a Mexican. However, on a vacation in northern Minnesota, my first, thoughtless reaction on seeing Ojibwe Indians everywhere was "why are there so many Mexicans in northern Minnesota?" Since most Mexicans have more American Indian than European blood, I guess it's an easy mistake to make.
I can recall being intrigued by how many of the world’s most brilliant physicists were Hungarian Jews from Budapest.
It just about has to be genetics.
Which historians have claimed a number that high? I do remember reading that Judaism was much more active in seeking converts in ancient times than in Medieval or recent history, so it would make sense that many modern Jews are descended from converts.
Not to mention how, in large American cities in the early 20th century, the Italian "ghetto" and the Jewish "ghetto" always seemed to be near each other.
Part of the reason was this guy was a little bit pudgy, not part of the Japanese stereotype, And the pudginess of his face kind of effected his eyes. Never fooled me but I could see how someone not paying close attention might make the mistake.
effected = affected. (I know the difference grammar Nazis.)
We’re ALL mutts......................
Why do Jewish men die so much earlier than their wives............. Because they want to................Jackie Mason..........OY!............
I used to work with a guy name Ishi. He was around 6’3” and I always thought he was Eastern European. One day he mentioned that he was Japanese.
I immediately realized that he did look Japanese but assumed he was maybe half. He said no, he was full blooded.
Sometimes in the same family!
There's an Italian religious festival in Williamburg, Brooklyn that uses a local resident to portray a character known as "The Turk." He wears an outlandish turban and brandishes a sword from a boat carried on the shoulders of about 100 men. (Yours truly performed this service on 1 occasion over 15 yrs. ago.)
The honor of playing "The Turk" usually goes to a guy with black hair, beard, and eyes and the most extreme aquiline nose. Apparently they have no trouble finding a parish member who possesses these characteristics.
“Arab is a general type of ethnic group, and Jews come from many different ethnic groups.”
Yes, and I have not been genetically linked with the arab ethnic group since roughly the time of Abraham.
I have read there is a tribe in N. Japan that look almost Caucasian.
A friend in Columbia Missouri I always thought was of Japanese ancestry told me his mother was from Alaska (as in native Indian)
It explains the various features seen among us. Halachically speaking, they are most certainly Jews, and a part of the Jewish people.
I am a purebred Son of Adam.
You're thinking of the Ainu People. For a long time, it was assumed that the Ainus were descended from Caucasians who migrated to Japan. Recent genetic studies have shown that they're closely related to Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese, and that their European-like features (round eyes, light complexion, extensive facial and body hair) are a case of accidental convergence.
My wife calls me a Son of, but it ain’t Adam.......................
Since "Jewishness" is transmitted along the maternal line, this could get complicated.
Not really. They're united by a common language and culture, but "Arabs" are made up of genetically very different people. A Saudi Arab doesn't look very much like an Arab from Lebanon or from Libya, for instance.
If the women converted, does it matter?
Judaism always passes from the female.
And it also makes sense that there were historically more female converts to Judaism, given the nature of a male conversion later-in-life being somewhat traumatic back in the day.
The source usually cited is Syrian Bishop Bar-Hebraeus, who was citing now-lost source material from a census in the time of Claudius.
This figure is usually dismissed as impossible, but might refer to semi-converts who gave up Roman beliefs for Jewish ones but did not become official converts to Judaism.
This new study may be yet another interpretation for an unusually large number of Jews in Roman times.
LOL. Reminds me a a good friend I had in Houston, TX who was from Australia. Texans were always trying to guess her accent. First guess was usually England; second guess was always New York! LOL.
There are no such people as “Palestinians” nor a land “Palestine”. That is a name given to the JEWISH people by the Romans when they sacked the 2nd Temple and Jerusalem. They gave it to the Jews as an insult and a way of distancing Jews from their land and nationhood- not unlike what the arabs are attempting to do today.
The name is actually Greek. Are the arabs Greek? No, they are not. The letter “P” is not even in the Arabic language. There are no “Palestinian” archeological artifacts, coinage, government, language or culture. It is all Hebrew and Jewish.
But, here is the truth by their own lips:
PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein made one such statement to the Dutch newspaper, Trouw, in March 5,1977. He said:
“The Palestinian people does not [sic.] exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.”
On September 13, 1993, the same day Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin signed the Declaration of Principles embodying those ideals for which he would later get the Nobel Prize, he explained his motives on Lebanese TV:
Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.
The true “genetic descendants” of the Jews are JEWS. You can try to revise all you want, but you can NEVER defeat or change such a well documented, known, and recognized history.
And others who have African features.
are a case of accidental convergence.
One hot theory about the Ainu is that their distant ancestors, 15,000 years ago followed the arctic shore line for generations and ended up populating the Americas.
I used to love passing along ethnic jokes, when we still had a since of humor. So, I’d tell people I’m Cherokee/Norwegian and, as such, am allowed to tell them.
I’d love to know my DNA, but don’t want to get booked and sent to prison, for the privilege. It’s just too expensive for us peons.
That may explain the stereotype that Jews are so miserable. Smart people aren’t the happiest people around.
funny, for some reason i thought the orthodox frowned on converts
I've always thought that Jewish intellectuals picked up their angst from gentile Europeans. If you want dark and brooding, try much of the literature, music, and philosophy from Germany, the Scandinavian countries, and Russia.
That being said, you may have a point. It's certainly true that the happiest people I know are also some of the most stupid.