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President, Dems split on strategy
The Hill ^ | October 9, 2013 | Alexander Bolton

Posted on 10/09/2013 3:52:22 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

............Congressional Democrats are generally pleased that Reid has been calling the shots. They claim that Obama did not cut a good deal during the last debt-limit debate in 2011.

Now,Obama is front and center again. His press conference with reporters,which lasted more than an hour, was his first since the government shuttered last week.

Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durbin(Ill.)has criticized a short-term debt-limit increase as merely lurching to the next crisis.

“We’re not going to be in the situation where you’re lurching from crisis to crisis and putting the full faith and credit[of the government]at the hands of a Republican caucus that can’t get its act together,”a senior Senate Democratic aide told The Hill last month.

Another Democratic staffer,however,disagreed there is much daylight with the administration..........

Obama reiterated on Tuesday that he doesn’t believe he has the power to raise the debt limit,adding that litigation about invoking the 14thAmendment would hamper the economy.

Meanwhile,Reid plans to move a clean bill to raise the debt limit and Democrats think they will have enough votes to overcome a Republican filibuster.

Two Senate Republicans,Sens. Mark Kirk(Ill.)and Thad Cochran(Miss.),have told reporters they could support clean legislation to raise the debt limit.

A GOP aide clarified that Kirk would support a short-term debt-limit increase to give congressional leaders more time to negotiate. But he would not support the Democratic effort to push the debt ceiling beyond the 2014 election without significant spending reform,the aide added.

A handful of other Republicans remains undecided, including Sens. Susan Collins(Maine) Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Lamar Alexander (Tenn.).

“I’m going to listen today and make a decision when I hear what people say,” Alexander said.

“I don’t know. It depends where, when and how, and I don’t know that we have any of that signed at this point in time,”Murkowski said.

Sen. John McCain(R-Ariz.) said on Fox News he will vote no,........

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: debtlimit; obamacare; shutdown

1 posted on 10/09/2013 3:52:22 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Where in the Constitution does it give the power to pass a budget that originates in the Senate? Is Reid just making this stuff up?


2 posted on 10/09/2013 3:59:42 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: txrefugee

We’re way past impeachment...


3 posted on 10/09/2013 4:05:44 AM PDT by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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To: Dubh_Ghlase
"We’re way past impeachment..."

WAY PAST! ! ! ! !

4 posted on 10/09/2013 4:09:52 AM PDT by DeaconRed (Two things money can't buy. Home grown tomatoes & affordable O-Bummer health care.)
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To: txrefugee
Where in the Constitution does it give the power to pass a budget that originates in the Senate? Is Reid just making this stuff up?

What Constitution? Reid and Obama are using the LIV's ignorance to pass whatever any crap they please. I would bet many people:

1. have no clue where spending is supposed to originated

2. Believe Obama IS one who gets to decide what happens and that the Republicans in Congress are the bad bankers holding up the $$$$

3. See no reason, or benefit of a budget

4. Think the Constitution was written by a bunch of rich, white men that wanted all the power for themselves

5. Believe anything the msm, Reid or Obama says

5 posted on 10/09/2013 4:12:02 AM PDT by madison10
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To: DeaconRed
I know that everyone on here is just as sick of ZERO and his lying ass LSM as I am.
It is time we do something about it.
The truckers and their convoy is a good start. . . .
6 posted on 10/09/2013 4:12:39 AM PDT by DeaconRed (Two things money can't buy. Home grown tomatoes & affordable O-Bummer health care.)
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To: txrefugee

> Where in the Constitution does it give the power to pass a
> budget that originates in the Senate?

Nowhere.

> Is Reid just making this stuff up?

Yes.

This is a coup d’etat, removing Congress from its role in the government.


7 posted on 10/09/2013 4:14:56 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: DeaconRed; Dubh_Ghlase
"We’re way past impeachment..." WAY PAST! ! ! ! !

Been past, since Fast and Furious.

8 posted on 10/09/2013 4:17:27 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Westbrook

This ain’t the coup d’etat. This is psyching themselves up for the coup d’etat.


9 posted on 10/09/2013 4:18:22 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Durbin speaks of the Full faith and credit of this nation.

Who the hell has faith in this nation under Obama , and our credit is way past used up.

Durbin is an idiot.


10 posted on 10/09/2013 4:21:25 AM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: Venturer

durbin is an idiot and the only idiots buying US Bonds are the US government so tell turd durbin that we do not care about our credit since it belongs to the people and we cannot afford to live beyond our means any longer.


11 posted on 10/09/2013 4:26:37 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“We’re not going to be in the situation where you’re lurching from crisis to crisis and putting the full faith and credit[of the government]at the hands of a Republican caucus that can’t get its act together,”a senior Senate Democratic aide told The Hill last month.

Translated. Damn Tea Party people are keeping the squishy moderates from caving in to us.


12 posted on 10/09/2013 4:36:15 AM PDT by dowcaet
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“We’re not going to be in the situation where you’re lurching from crisis to crisis and putting the full faith and credit[of the government]at the hands of a Republican caucus that can’t get its act together,”a senior Senate Democratic aide told The Hill last month.

Translated. Damn Tea Party people are keeping the squishy moderates from caving in to us.


13 posted on 10/09/2013 4:36:36 AM PDT by dowcaet
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To: Lazamataz; All

http://spectator.org/archives/2013/10/09/community-organizer-runs-amok


14 posted on 10/09/2013 4:39:39 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

God help us from McCain “huddling” with Dems. Every time he does we get screwed harder.


15 posted on 10/09/2013 4:50:45 AM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
A handful of other Republicans remains undecided, including Sens. Susan Collins(Maine) Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Lamar Alexander (Tenn.).

Yeah, like we don't know which way these 3 are going to go ...

16 posted on 10/09/2013 4:54:21 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: tx_eggman

This article points to a few things in play here. The most important is an apparent riff between the dem senate and the dem whitehut. Up to now, Reid has been publically calling the shots. I think this was engineered by the white hut to keep Obama above the frey. They now see a downside to that: Obama is seen as uninvolved while at the same time he will take total blame if the debt limit is not raised. In fact, his entire term of office will be seen as a dismal mess (albeit the rest of us know that already). The presser yesterday may have been bourn out of that worry. So, they trot out Obama to talk tough while at the same time taking back control of where this is going to go secure in the knowledge that Bonehead will cave in. Perhaps that is why Bonehead looked so calm in his own presser yesterday: he knows he will be tossed some bone, a meaningless one, and he can go back to his Scotch. Weed, er Reid, will follow Obama’s lead. If we get a cacaphony of individual mandate horror stories over the next few days in the MSM read that as a sign that the administration wants that fact out so Obama, the great benevolent one, will blame the bureauracy and say he has no other solution except to delay the mandate for sometime to get better organized. IMO, there can be no reduction in the medical taxes because the cost of the law is partially offset by these taxes which will give Bonehead the exit: delay Ocare, keep the taxes as they are and kick the deficit can down the road to the tune of 1 to 1.5T.


17 posted on 10/09/2013 5:23:22 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

18 posted on 10/09/2013 5:32:46 AM PDT by PROCON (Low information voters gave us this nightmare.)
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To: Mouton

AP Poll: Obama at 37% Approval

This supports my theory of why the presser yesterday, almost an ad hoc one. The whitehut was given these numbers before they were public and they must be running around up there like their hair is on fire....they know they are losing.

His approval will never go below 35%, it cannot. He gets the entire black vote, 13% and the committed commie vote of about 20%. That means he has lost the entire indy vote and bodes very badly for the mid terms.

The next week or so will be Obama’s last stand, hope he ends up just like GAC.


19 posted on 10/09/2013 6:03:28 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Mouton

Sounds like Obama’s negotiating. Keep in mind that polls blaming Republicans or Congress are in the aggregate and people usually like their Rep, but not “Congress”.

All Obama’s poll numbers are personal and to the man. That’s a huge difference. Obama will have to come to the table, but delaying Obamacare should be off of it. Delaying it just insures it works better and becomes the law of the land forever. Let it crash and burn.

Now is the time to pivot and get long term spending concessions, perhaps even eliminating a department or two. Keep in mind that the Democrat designed sequester is what Obama and Co. really fear.


20 posted on 10/09/2013 6:33:04 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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21 posted on 10/09/2013 7:03:14 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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22 posted on 10/09/2013 7:10:53 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
His press conference with reporters,which lasted more than an hour, was his first since the government shuttered last week.

83% of Gov is still functioning and the HILL calls it shuttered. That is a laugher - KEEP IT SHUTTERED.
23 posted on 10/09/2013 7:52:26 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Two Senate Republicans,Sens. Mark Kirk(Ill.)and Thad Cochran(Miss.),have told reporters they could support clean legislation to raise the debt limit.

A GOP aide clarified that Kirk would support a short-term debt-limit increase to give congressional leaders more time to negotiate. But he would not support the Democratic effort to push the debt ceiling beyond the 2014 election without significant spending reform,the aide added.

A handful of other Republicans remains undecided, including Sens. Susan Collins(Maine), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Lamar Alexander (Tenn.).

“I’m going to listen today and make a decision when I hear what people say,” Alexander said.

These people need to hear from WE The People!

Anybody got the contact info, Facebook pages and Twitter accounts of the above names?

24 posted on 10/09/2013 8:41:29 AM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: txrefugee

“Where in the Constitution does it give the power to pass a budget that originates in the Senate?”

Constitution? CONSTITUTION??????!!!

Democrats don’ need no stinkin’ Constitution! It’s a rassis and outmoded document of White Power!!!/s


25 posted on 10/09/2013 11:22:33 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Reid doesn’t call the shots. He delivers the messages.


26 posted on 10/09/2013 12:24:48 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Obozo re raising the debt limit in 2006:

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, ‘the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”

~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006


27 posted on 10/09/2013 6:08:43 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Boycott Reno & Las Vegas until those in control there, remove Reid from the senate!)
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To: Venturer

It has been many years since the term “full faith and credit of the United States government first started to sound absurd to me.” When you have a debt that cannot be honestly repaid even if you were to do something sensible yet you continue to act as though you can BORROW your way out of debt you should stop referring to your “full faith and credit”. No one can count on the faith or credit of someone who is in a hole ten feet deep and thinks he can escape it by digging deeper. If he has sense enough to dig into the side of the hole, stand on the dirt he pulls down and continue digging a slanting trench toward the surface you may take him seriously.


28 posted on 10/10/2013 1:03:32 PM PDT by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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