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Rand Paul urges libertarians to vote for Cuccinelli, not Sarvis
http://www.timesdispatch.com ^ | October 25, 2013 | MARKUS SCHMIDT

Posted on 10/27/2013 8:22:02 PM PDT by Maelstorm

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., on Thursday urged Virginia Republicans supporting Robert C. Sarvis, the Libertarian candidate for governor, to come home to the GOP and vote for Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, the party’s nominee.

“I consider myself to be a libertarian conservative, a libertarian Republican,” Paul said in a phone interview Thursday. “A lot of things (Cuccinelli) talks about are free-market, limited-government, leave-me-alone government. I think there is a lot to like there.

“What I’m excited about in Ken Cuccinelli is that he is smart, he is articulate, and he has a keen sense of justice,” Paul said. Cuccinelli’s attempt to challenge the Affordable Care Act in court was “one of the things that catapulted a nationwide debate over the constitutionality of the health care law,” he said.

Paul, a potential Republican presidential contender for 2016, will campaign with Cuccinelli in Fairfax County and Virginia Beach next week. His visit to the state comes as the attorney general faces headwinds from members of his own party who have defected to Sarvis

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Rand Paul is going to be in VA tomorrow. The Fairfax event had to be moved there was so much interest. If you can come out to either the Virginia Beach or Fairfax event please do. We also need volunteers to door knock, make calls, and there is still time to donate. We can win this race. Are we going to let a corrupt liberal Clinton crony take Virginia?
https://www.facebook.com/KenCuccinelli

1 posted on 10/27/2013 8:22:03 PM PDT by Maelstorm
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To: Maelstorm

Here are the links to the events:

Virginia Beach Rally With Rand Paul
http://www.cuccinelli.com/event/rally-with-ken-cuccinelli-and-senator-rand-paul/

Fairfax Virginia Rally with Rand Paul

http://www.cuccinelli.com/event/rally-with-ken-cuccinelli-and-special-guest-senator-rand-paul-2/

Here is the main website if you’d like to check out other events. Sign up to volunteer find local campaign offices to get materials/signs. Don’t wait for someone to call you just go in.
http://www.cuccinelli.com


2 posted on 10/27/2013 8:22:14 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Obamacare is your healthcare on stupid.)
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To: Maelstorm

I hope Cuccinelli can pull it out. I confess I don’t know all that much about him. I know more than I need to about Terry “Bagman” McAullife, though.


3 posted on 10/27/2013 8:24:06 PM PDT by DemforBush (Of all the Thompson gunners, Roland was the best.)
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To: Maelstorm

Too late. Libertarians are going to elect another democrat. That’s all they’ ever accomplish.


4 posted on 10/27/2013 8:25:12 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: Maelstorm

Real conservatives in the Republican Party are pretty much independents, they know they cannot expect any help from the GOPe and the Republican apparatus.


5 posted on 10/27/2013 8:25:50 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: DemforBush

He was the first attorney general to file a lawsuit against Obamacare. He fought the EPA and won when they tried to regulate rainwater as a pollutant. He is prolife, profamily, and fiscally conservative. He’s best described as a conservative libertarian in the vein of Rand Paul. He’s a good man.

Here’s a link to his accomplishments.
http://www.cuccinelli.com/about/kens-accomplishments-as-attorney-general/


6 posted on 10/27/2013 8:29:57 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Obamacare is your healthcare on stupid.)
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To: JohnBrowdie

“Too late. Libertarians are going to elect another democrat. That’s all they’ ever accomplish.”

But, but, but, they are making a “statement of principle!” Never mind that they might as well go outside and piss into the wind for all the good their “principled vote” does them or the country! And they will tell you after the dust settles, that they will begin winning soon!


7 posted on 10/27/2013 8:30:03 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Maelstorm

Is Cuccinelli a Red Ink Republican?

Is he a Democrats’ Republican like McCain always is?

Is he a committed Cave-In RINO like Boehner always is?


8 posted on 10/27/2013 8:33:04 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Marxist Obama'care' Insurance violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: JohnBrowdie

Not so fast. This race is close. Its either a single digit race or near tie. We’ve seen a big increase in support. I think that Sarvis in the end will hurt McAuliffe more. Real conservative libertarians and small government libertarians who aren’t dumbasses will vote Cuccinelli. Sarvis is going heavy on the social issues crap so hes going to attract young stupid voters who think that promoting gay marriage and abortion are the number one issues which is where McAuliffe will be hurt. McAuliffe’s investments in a company that was stealing from terminally ill people is breaking big time on the Wapost and in Virginia and is going to be a story going into this last week.


9 posted on 10/27/2013 8:35:00 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Obamacare is your healthcare on stupid.)
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To: JohnBrowdie
Now wait a minute...I thought Libertarians only get .00001% of the vote anyway?
10 posted on 10/27/2013 8:35:51 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: vette6387
But, but, but, they are making a “statement of principle!”

Hey, they're just following the sage advice of John Quincy Adams.

No politician is owed anything. If KC wants the votes of libertarians, he's gotta earn them.

11 posted on 10/27/2013 8:38:06 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: Maelstorm

BTTT!


12 posted on 10/27/2013 8:39:56 PM PDT by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Sarvis is pretty liberal on some of the major issues, that will win the libertarians.


13 posted on 10/27/2013 8:42:04 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Libertarians are the reason Montana has a Democratic governor and a fat Democratic senator!


14 posted on 10/27/2013 8:42:12 PM PDT by montomike (Politics should be about service and not a lucrative, money-making opportunity!)
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To: Graewoulf

He is a Free Republic tea party kind of Republican. He’s a Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee Republican. That is why many in the establishment in Virginia are not helping or trying to sabotage him.

Some highlights:

*He was the first AG to sue to challenge the constitutionality of Obamacare.

*He sued the EPA and won when they tried to regulate rainwater in Virginia as a pollutant.

*He pushed for and got a property rights amendment to the state constitution to protect private property from eminent domain on the ballot and the measure won with 72% even though he face opposition from GOP and Democrats.

He’s prolife, anti amnesty, pro traditional family, with an A rating from the NRA.

Here is a link to some of his accomplishments:
http://www.cuccinelli.com/about/kens-accomplishments-as-attorney-general/


15 posted on 10/27/2013 8:43:12 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Obamacare is your healthcare on stupid.)
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To: HokieMom

Thanks!


16 posted on 10/27/2013 8:43:39 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Obamacare is your healthcare on stupid.)
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To: Maelstorm

>> “McAuliffe’s investments in a company that was stealing from terminally ill people” <<

.
Now that’s the Terry McAuliff we all know and love.


17 posted on 10/27/2013 8:46:58 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Maelstorm
Not so fast. This race is close. Its either a single digit race or near tie.

I pray you're right. It's not just another race, it's another Democrat crook and another notch in the Clinton's gun. We have to stop the corruption somewhere, this would be a good start.

18 posted on 10/27/2013 8:47:23 PM PDT by Kenny (<p>)
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To: ansel12

Sarvis is a liberal, actually. I wouldn’t vote for him if I lived in VA. But my point is, is that the Republican brand is completely tarnished. KC should do a better job at getting these voters without compromising his principles. TM has painted him as a bible-thumping so-con.


19 posted on 10/27/2013 8:48:44 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

He’s earned them though it depends what kind of libertarian one is. If one is a Ron Paul Rand Paul type then he’s earned them. If one is a liberaltarian who is more concerned about social issues and believes being gay is like being black and abortion should not be regulated at all then Ken is not your guy.

He’s fought for liberty at every turn. He’d be the most libertarian Governor in the nation if elected.


20 posted on 10/27/2013 8:48:46 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Obamacare is your healthcare on stupid.)
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To: Maelstorm

Reads like what I would call a Republican’s Republican.

Thanks for the background on Salmon.

Any ideas so far on his standing on Red Ink?

_______________________

BTW, Fleming of Louisiana is another Federal Politician of interest.

Check him out, in your “spare” time, of course.


21 posted on 10/27/2013 8:55:04 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Marxist Obama'care' Insurance violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: GeronL

Rand Paul can certainly support Cuccinelli, but I wish he would support Matt Bevin in Kentucky.

Instead Rand has endorsed Mitch McConnell for re-election next year.

That diminishes him in my eyes.


22 posted on 10/27/2013 8:55:26 PM PDT by Nextrush (BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN)
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To: DemforBush

I’d vote for Sponge Bob over McAullife!


23 posted on 10/27/2013 8:58:59 PM PDT by JaguarXKE (1973: Reporters investigate All the President's Men. 2013: Reporters ARE all the President's men)
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To: Graewoulf

Those are hard questions we should ask of all elected GOP officials at all levels right now.

And here’s another. Ted Cruz tried to stop Obamacare and very few Republicans stood with him when he did. Fewer than half the GOP senators voted with him. Do you support what Ted Cruz did?

When they answer like Rick Santorum did today on “Meet the Press” that he supported the goal but not the tactic then your RINO meter should go over the top.


24 posted on 10/27/2013 9:00:00 PM PDT by Nextrush (BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN)
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To: Nextrush

That is disappointing!


25 posted on 10/27/2013 9:00:12 PM PDT by JaguarXKE (1973: Reporters investigate All the President's Men. 2013: Reporters ARE all the President's men)
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To: Maelstorm

Has Cuccinelli brought in Ted Cruz to campaign for him or did he applaud Ted’s actions in trying to stop Obamacare when other Republicans wanted to cave?????????


26 posted on 10/27/2013 9:02:28 PM PDT by Nextrush (BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN)
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To: Kenny

The truth is there are two dynamics going on. Many voters don’t like either of them mainly because McAuliffe has been pouring the worst ads imaginable into the state. Really just flat out lying. I’ve been out door knocking for several weeks now and just today I found a handful of McAuliffe voters. One was a weak McAuliffe voter. An older single lady who I think I swayed the other way because she had been swayed but really didn’t know much about either of the candidates. One lady said she wasn’t going to vote but her son was voting McAuliffe. I had a few regular GOP voters who were a bit weak but the vast majority of those I encountered and talked to were going straight ticket GOP and they were very clear about it. The enthusiasm is clearly on our side.

I have little doubt though that many just aren’t going to vote. I fully expect turnout to be low probably no more than 35-40%. The key is that turnout is high enough in Central VA where I live and Southwest VA which McAuliffe has written off entirely. The Cuccinelli campaign has been ramping up and we have had the NRA and other conservative groups helping by running ads doing this home stretch. I’ve not seen the McAuliffe volunteers out at all in my area unlike in 2012. His strategy has been to bet everything on NOVA which has a lot of votes but leaves him in a very bad place if they turn out the way they did in 2009 which was only 33% to GOP 39%. All the polls showing McAuliffe leading are assuming a larger advantage for McAuliffe than has ever been seen in recent off year elections. The only poll I’ve seen that assumes a more balanced advantage shows Cuccinelli and McAuliffe essentially tied.

We will have some new polls this week I’m sure.


27 posted on 10/27/2013 9:03:14 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Obamacare is your healthcare on stupid.)
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To: Nextrush

They appeared at an event together where Cruz effectively endorsed Cuccinelli but the shutdown complicated things and Ken had to navigate that carefully.

Ted Cruz Endorses Cuccinelli at Family Foundation Dinner in Richmond
http://www.rpvnetwork.org/profiles/blogs/ted-cruz-endorses-cuccinelli-at-family-foundation-dinner-in


28 posted on 10/27/2013 9:06:36 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Obamacare is your healthcare on stupid.)
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To: Graewoulf

Ken is a not in favor of big regulations and big spending if that is what you mean about red ink. He opposed raising taxes for road construction and has opposed expanding Medicaid, and is running on cutting state taxes.


29 posted on 10/27/2013 9:08:55 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Obamacare is your healthcare on stupid.)
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To: montomike

Libertarians caused a significant number of the congressional losses in 2006; the margin of loss for the GOP candidate was smaller than the total vote for the third party candidate, almost always a libertarian.

So, in a sense, the libertarians had a hand in everyone’s healthcare getting hijacked after the ascension of Obama.


30 posted on 10/27/2013 9:12:44 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: montomike
Libertarians are the reason Montana has a Democratic governor and a fat Democratic senator!

Horse droppings. It's the Republican's job to get libertarian votes. There's plenty of room in the GOP for libertarians, just as there's a Christian wing and a RINO wing.

31 posted on 10/27/2013 9:15:50 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: JohnBrowdie
Libertarians caused a significant number of the congressional losses in 2006; the margin of loss for the GOP candidate was smaller than the total vote for the third party candidate, almost always a libertarian

So you're saying that libertarians should have simply held their noses for all those horrible Republicans who along with Bush spent like drunken sailors and did nothing to stop the spread of the federal gov't. No, Republicans lost in 2006 because their candidates stunk and the Dems capitalized on LIVs hatred of all things Bush.

Stop blaming libertarians when Republicans lose.

32 posted on 10/27/2013 9:20:13 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: JohnBrowdie

“Libertarians caused a significant number of the congressional losses in 2006; the margin of loss for the GOP candidate was smaller than the total vote for the third party candidate, almost always a libertarian.

So, in a sense, the libertarians had a hand in everyone’s healthcare getting hijacked after the ascension of Obama.”

Which is a very good reason that Republicans should pay attention to them.

This lesson is being learned the hard way in the UK where voters are beginning to desert the Torries for the UKIP over immigration and the EU. It does not take much of a swing to cause real problems.


33 posted on 10/27/2013 9:21:39 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
stop enabling socialists office holders.

the libertarians have never managed to get one of their mouth breathers elected to anything. they have managed to send any number of liberals to washington.

strictly speaking, the libertarians barely even exist. they're like subatomic particles; you have to infer their existence from the behavior of other things -- like everyone's healthcare getting taken away from them.

34 posted on 10/27/2013 9:28:17 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: Nextrush

Agreed.

One of the few weapons that the Leftstream Media has in its battle to support the Rogue Marxist Obamanation Administration is the use of the “scientific” polls based on OPINION.

Several of their poll questions did not even mention Democrats or Reid.

Thus, jello-brains such as Santorum can easily be convinced that the Leftstream’s opinion on Republicans must be the way it really is.

Ricky S. has nice hair, and a nice family, but he should never have gone into Politics.

__________________________

It only takes 20 people to control any organization.

Right now we probably have four: Cruz (Tx), Lee (Ut), possibly Salmon (Az) and Fleming (La).

__________________

Do what you can to Primary-out the incumbent Democrat’s Republicans, they had their chance to protect us from the Rouge Marxist Obamanation Administration, and they betrayed us for the last time.

2014 is going to be so much FUN !


35 posted on 10/27/2013 9:28:48 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Marxist Obama'care' Insurance violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Nextrush

Sort of like saying you support the troops but not the war.


36 posted on 10/27/2013 9:29:25 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

There are good reasons to deride the Libertarian Platform and the liberal degenerates that wear the veil of libertarianism, but the stock complaint against libertarians here is often baseless drivel bearing traits of the fifth column.


37 posted on 10/27/2013 9:29:49 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Maelstorm

The Red Ink Flows When You Have No Dough!

As Radio Announcer Paul Harvey was fond of saying:

“WHEN YOUR OUTGO EXCEEDS YOUR INCOME, YOUR UPKEEP WILL BE YOUR DOWNFALL.”


38 posted on 10/27/2013 9:32:40 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Marxist Obama'care' Insurance violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: JohnBrowdie

And then they complain about how we have more socialism (and then they complain more about social conservatives-because they wrongly believe that social conservatives are “statists” (really I think these people just don’t like Christians-Jesus and the real God).

We will never jettison social conservative (that’s what the libertarians will never know), it would be like cutting off an arm (since most social conservatives lean libertarian as well).


39 posted on 10/27/2013 9:32:48 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: Maelstorm

Sarvis is a pro-tax, pro-Medicaid expansion, fake Liberatarian. A LINO.


40 posted on 10/27/2013 9:34:03 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Maelstorm

We just gave on his website. Thanks for the information. This is the kind of person we all need to support.

We helped Gov. Walker in Wisconsin and that pushed back against the Libs. We need to do the same in Virginia !

Hope he wins!


41 posted on 10/27/2013 9:42:21 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: Gene Eric
There are good reasons to deride the Libertarian Platform and the liberal degenerates that wear the veil of libertarianism, but the stock complaint against libertarians here is often baseless drivel bearing traits of the fifth column.

That is completely false, we all rightfully know that libertarianism includes the anti-conservative positions on social issues, if it didn't then there wouldn't be any need for libertarianism, it would merely be conservatism.

42 posted on 10/27/2013 9:43:42 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: Maelstorm

There are few if any better republicans than Cuccinelli.


43 posted on 10/27/2013 9:54:14 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: ConservativeMind

Thanks! This is exactly the attitude we need. I also helped Walker as did Ken Cuccinelli and Scott Walker has been to Virginia helping to fundraise for Cuccinelli.


44 posted on 10/27/2013 9:57:03 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Obamacare is your healthcare on stupid.)
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To: Maelstorm

Cruz did the endorsing but not the other way around.

I would probably vote for Cuccinelli, but what will happen next. More tax hikes like the outgoing RINO dumped on Virginia. More rigged Republican presidential primaries with signature requirements and winner take all delegate allocations.


45 posted on 10/27/2013 10:00:23 PM PDT by Nextrush (BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN)
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To: Nextrush

Cuccinelli did not support the tax increase nor does he support the Medicaid expansion under Obamacare. He and Ted Cruz are on the same page but unfortunately Virginia isn’t Texas. The Rhinos in the state hate Cuccinelli with a passion. Bill Bolling who though he deserved to be next in line came out as a gun grabber and has withheld his endorsement while working behind the scenes to undermine Cuccinelli with endorsements etc. A real worm.


46 posted on 10/27/2013 10:10:57 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Obamacare is your healthcare on stupid.)
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To: JohnBrowdie

“Libertarians are going to elect another democrat. That’s all they’ ever accomplish.”

Democrat...Democrat-Lite.

Not enough difference to worry over.


47 posted on 10/27/2013 10:34:23 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: Maelstorm

We shall see how this plays out...the media will have its spin but the lack of trust in the Republican label runs high.

A highway funding bill is being pushed here in PA right now that will have to be paid for with higher taxes by the GOP governor who plans to face the voters next year.

I figure he wants the funding bill now but will hold back the tax hike until after the election next year.

Its easy for Cuccinelli to say he’s against the tax hike but would he undo it as governor?


48 posted on 10/27/2013 11:38:56 PM PDT by Nextrush (BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN)
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To: Maelstorm

Good for Rand.

In response to some of the comments here:

1. KC is very conservative but to date has run what I think has been a lackluster campaign. He has allowed himself to be defined by McAwful.

2. I really don’t like this idea that any gop candidate, even KC, is somehow “owed” votes. He isn’t. Robert Sarvis has every right to run. If the gop/’rat candidates don’t get as many votes as a result then tough cookies.

3. Robert Sarvis has run a very good campaign. That’s why he is getting an unusual number of votes. And there is certainly a lot of gop/’rat campaign fatigue here. I don’t think that Robert Sarvis is necessarily drawing from KC’s numbers any more than McAwful’s. There are a lot of people who self-identify as libertarian in VA and here we have a well-spoken, talented candidate who is running a very effective campaign for it’s size.

4. Both KC and McAwful have spent an incredible amount on this campaign. I read that it was over $40 mil between the two of them. For a state of 8 mil people, of which maybe 1-2 mil will show up to vote.

5. Finally, the thing that I find most disappointing about this race is how often KC has in effect run away from himself. An example of this was when Ted Cruz came to campaign for him. KC wouldn’t even appear on stage with Ted Cruz. Even though Ted Cruz was taking time out of his day to campaign for him and endorse him. KC has a really good record as a conservative yet it seems that rather than embrace that, he has tried to distance himself from it. Which would lead anyone to question really how sincere he is about his conservative views.

Upshot for me is that I’ll be voting for E.W. Jackson. A fine and unapologetic conservative for LT Governor. I’ll also be voting for Mark Obenshain for AG. Another fine and unapologetic conservative. While I happen to be there I might or might not vote for Ken Cuccinelli.


49 posted on 10/28/2013 2:29:55 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: RKBA Democrat

you don’t know you will vote for Ken!!! Why is it better to see this Clinton hack gain anther vote and maybe won because you did not want to vote for Ken?

WOW


50 posted on 10/28/2013 4:21:21 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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