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It’s time to reassess Israel’s strategic assumptions
Jerusalem Post ^ | 11-4-13 | CAROLINE B. GLICK

Posted on 11/05/2013 4:56:59 AM PST by SJackson

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To: Robert Teesdale

American Indians have a Homeland called Reservations. It is not an independent nation like Israel, but autonomous. They are doing pretty good now with royalties and tax free items. Israel located in US will do fine. No one will surround her and threaten to nuke her.
On the other hand, how is Israel doing strategicly in the Middle East with a UN sponsored homeland since 1948?


21 posted on 11/05/2013 10:17:27 AM PST by Fee
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To: Fee
American Indians have a Homeland called Reservations. It is not an independent nation like Israel, but autonomous. They are doing pretty good now with royalties and tax free items. Israel located in US will do fine. No one will surround her and threaten to nuke her. On the other hand, how is Israel doing strategicly in the Middle East with a UN sponsored homeland since 1948?

You okay with the State of Israel bringing her nuclear arms with her to that new "homeland" you describe?
22 posted on 11/05/2013 11:22:20 AM PST by Robert Teesdale
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To: Robert Teesdale

Israel is building nukes because she is outnumbered by Arabs in the Middle East at a ratio of 50 to 1. It is used as a doomsday weapon if her defenses are breached. If a independent Jewish state was formed by the US on former US territory. US does not intend to invade her and kill all the Jews in it. The alternative Jewish state will not need a large military nor nuclear weapons. She would be surrounded by American states on very friendly terms. Right now she does not have such luxury. Furthermore, it removes our conflicting desires in the ME (friendship with oil producing Arab regimes).


23 posted on 11/05/2013 1:01:50 PM PST by Fee
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“The more religiously serious ones DON’T support Democrats. It’s the self indulgent secular ones that don’t even try to get something serious and constant going with God that are the trouble here.”

Thanks HiTech that I didn’t know, gives me a little better understanding of the issue.


24 posted on 11/05/2013 1:22:49 PM PST by stockpirate (It appears good men have decided to do nothing, so evil is prevailing......)
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To: SJackson
As though any Jew gives a damn what you think. I certainly don’t, though you help me understand the stereotype of right wing bigots, which carries significant political cost.

So does biting the hand of your friends, particularly when said friends innocently observe something that walks, talks, and swims like a duck.

25 posted on 11/05/2013 1:32:15 PM PST by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
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To: stockpirate

And the secular wing of American Jewry is distressingly large. To fall from faith is nothing new for them. The Old Testament story makes that clear. But even a strong Old Testament faith will illuminate a Jewish person enough to make it clear that the Democrats are bad news. They are also demographically gaining on the secular ones, who tend not to be pro-life. Spoiled Judaism, like spoiled Christianity, is double plus bad news, because it represents turning a whole suite of virtues over to Satan.


26 posted on 11/05/2013 2:10:53 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Fee
Israel is building nukes because she is outnumbered by Arabs in the Middle East at a ratio of 50 to 1. It is used as a doomsday weapon if her defenses are breached. If a independent Jewish state was formed by the US on former US territory. US does not intend to invade her and kill all the Jews in it. The alternative Jewish state will not need a large military nor nuclear weapons. She would be surrounded by American states on very friendly terms. Right now she does not have such luxury. Furthermore, it removes our conflicting desires in the ME (friendship with oil producing Arab regimes).

My question regarding Israeli nuclear arms was facetious. I assume you have either a theological or other basis for this bizarre proposition? It certainly does not pass a rational basis test.

In pursuit of amusement and at the accepted risk of troll nutrition, just where do you contemplate this new Stateside homeland for the Jewish people?

What do you propose to do with the current inhabitants of that territory?

What Constitutional process do you envision following in establishing a foreign sovereignity within the United States?

Really, it's absurd.

Additionally, I suspect floating "resettlement" balloons to the Jewish people would be met with somewhat less than amusement, and somewhat more with resistance by force.

In the end, that's what the Israeli nuclear deterrent is for - not just the surrounding Arab nations brimming with jihad and resentful jealousy. It's for, quite frankly, folks like you who would take upon themselves the determination of another people's fate. That never ends well, and for the Jewish people it's typically ended quite frightfully.

I can only assume your original post was made in humor.
27 posted on 11/05/2013 2:20:24 PM PST by Robert Teesdale
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Another good point you make, the Jewish vote and donations to the fascist democrats is really off the charts, someone posted figures that indicated something in the area of 51% of the money the democrats rake in comes from Jewish liberals.


28 posted on 11/05/2013 2:42:11 PM PST by stockpirate (It appears good men have decided to do nothing, so evil is prevailing......)
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To: stockpirate

Yes... the folks with the learning ethic, but they have turned it to learning demonic garbage. I mean I am pretty blunt about this.


29 posted on 11/05/2013 2:48:47 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: stockpirate

And lest spoiled Christendom get away unscathed, let me point out that modern liberalism is pretty much a gospel sans God and Christ. It can’t possibly work, it’s asking Satan to do mighty works that only God is capable of, but the believers keep their twisted faith (which God put there for the purpose of believing in the real gospel) working overtime trying to believe in modern liberalism anyhow.


30 posted on 11/05/2013 2:51:46 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: SJackson

Obama has proven himself to be the ultimate political nightmare,on every front, in every realm imaginable, be it economic, political, geopolitical, philosophical, ideological, sociological and in particularly in his case, zoological.


31 posted on 11/05/2013 3:50:18 PM PST by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: SJackson

Oh, my. Ecoomic sanctions. Sort of like another White Paper, only with money instead of people. I’m boycotting EU products, anyway. As for thes threats, in our case they always tend to backfire and then blow up in the face of the threatener(see the past four millenia for details).

Our real new strategic priority is building EMA, the Eastern Minorities Alliance of Christian countries and enclaves, India, Kurds and Allawites. The sooner the ruling class becomes hip to that, the better off we’ll all be.


32 posted on 11/05/2013 4:35:47 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Robert Teesdale

One of the original plans was take a part of Germany after WW2 and make it a Jewish nation/homeland. Instead the UN allowed the massive refugees into Palestine partition themselves into an independent nation with UN support. It is built on faulty strategic thinking. Problem is the Arabs did not go along with the vote despite what the world decided. The Arabs have not given up this pursuit to drive the Jews into the sea. Each war the Arabs lose, the tech gap between Arab and Israeli forces closes. Arabs are no longer poor camel jockies. They have petro money and influence in the world. Worst they found a religious motivation to adopt kamikaze like tactics against the Israelis that nullifies the tech advantages and brings the battle close range and war of attrition (something the smaller population of Israel cannot afford). Iran is building nukes and no one (even the US under GWB) could find a solution to stop them short of a war.
Isreal has nukes. Usage of nukes as a deterrent works to a point for a small nation like Israel. The Arabs are crazy enough to do it. Reliance on nukes and if forced to use it will spell only total destruction of 6 million Jews in Israel in a nuclear exchange. Israel cannot force Arab countries not to build their own nukes not unless they plan to bomb everyone that tries. So the plan to save the Jews from future holocausts by giving them their Biblical homeland (after being absent for 1700+ years) and disregarding the original Arabs that lived there is laying the seeds for conflict. At least the Americans outnumbered the Indians and won, the Jews are outnumbered 60 to 1, and the Arabs do have reasonable technological parity (but not unity). Numbers, geography, international politics, etc etc is turning against Israel. Bottom line is this is not going to end well for the Jews.
Since the US is the only nation that gives a damn about the Jews and Israel, it might be more humane to get them out of the strategic kill zone of the Middle East and use a small part of the US and give it to them as a homeland. No nation today will do that. Otherwise we may see another Jewish Holocaust of 6 million again (unless the Book of Revelation comes true and a Messiah saves them in their darkest hour).


33 posted on 11/05/2013 6:51:25 PM PST by Fee
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To: stockpirate

We are not monolithic. Those Jews who would rather forget that they are Jewish, or better yet, redefine Jewishness as being an incurable libtard, are the ones concerning whom you speak.

There is a second group of American Jews, however, either proudly religious and nationalistic, or simply nationalistic, who are very much to their senses.

The religious ones will inherit the earth, because they have more kids, and the nationalistic but secular ones will ally themselves with them, and get invited over for Shabbos meals, to discuss nationalism and religion. So don’t give up. Our very best allies among the nations are freepers and religious Christians, and also Hindus.


34 posted on 11/05/2013 9:18:14 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Fee
All other considerations aside, there is no Constitutional process for what you suggest.

That said, I prefer to see Israel strong, secure, and exactly where she is. I trust the intelligence and experience of the Israelis in maintaining their existential viability.
35 posted on 11/06/2013 9:04:00 AM PST by Robert Teesdale
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Thanks SJackson, additional:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3088277/posts


36 posted on 11/06/2013 8:04:06 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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