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Indiana Senate Leader Working Toward U.S. Constitutional Convention
NWI Politics ^ | October 26th, 2013 | Dan Carden

Posted on 11/07/2013 3:03:07 PM PST by Jacquerie

INDIANAPOLIS - The leader of the Indiana Senate has invited lawmakers from every state to join him Dec. 7 at Mount Vernon, George Washington's Virginia home, to discuss the state-led process for crafting amendments to the U.S. Constitution.

Senate President David Long, R-Fort Wayne, asks in a letter written to fellow legislative leaders that each state send a bipartisan group of three delegates to the "Mount Vernon Assembly."

He said the meeting will lay the groundwork for a Convention of the States that would, when established by Congress, propose amendments to change various provisions of the Constitution.

"The authors of the Constitution included a state-led amendment option as a check on a runaway federal government," Long said. "The dysfunction we see in Washington, D.C., provides an almost daily reminder of why this option is needed now more than ever."

The initial meeting won't actually consider potential amendment topics, Long said. Instead, it's intended to set up the rules to be followed if and when a constitutional convention is called.

There are two authorized methods for changing the nation's fundamental governing document. The only one that has been used is when two-thirds of Congress proposes an amendment and three-fourths of the states (38 states) ratify it.

However, the Constitution also permits what has come to be known as an "Article V convention," named for its placement in the fifth section of the Constitution.

Under that scenario, two-thirds of state legislatures (34 states) ask Congress to call a Convention of the States for proposing constitutional amendments. If the convention approves an amendment, it then can be ratified by three-fourths of the states and added to the Constitution without congressional approval.

Because an Article V convention has never been called, there are no clear rules on how it would begin — does every state have to pass an identical convention request? — what rules the convention would follow or whether it could be limited in scope.

The primary criticism of the convention idea is the possibility that a "runaway convention" will scrap the entire Constitution.

In fact, the current U.S. Constitution emerged from a convention called to recommend fixes to the Articles of Confederation, America's first constitution.

Long tackled the "runaway convention" issue earlier this year for Indiana by winning approval of two new laws that severely restrict the ability of a Hoosier delegate to a future Article V convention to make decisions outside the explicit instructions provided by the General Assembly.

An Indiana delegate that acts contrary to the wishes of the legislature not only is automatically replaced, but also faces up to three years in prison.

"I was proud to see Indiana lead on this issue in the most recent legislative session and I will continue to support it as a legitimate tool of the states to push back against federal overreach and restore a more proper balance of power," Long said.

He said the Mount Vernon Assembly will devise a "prudent and cautious process" other states can follow to ensure an Article V convention remains focused on specific subjects.

Long has indicated he supports a convention that would propose amendments limiting the power of Congress to impose taxes and regulate business.


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George Washington hosted a small convention at his Mount Vernon home in 1785. Subsequent events lead to the Federal convention of 1787.

It is no small symbolic matter that Indiana state Senator David Long petitioned other states to send delegates to Mount Vernon.

1 posted on 11/07/2013 3:03:08 PM PST by Jacquerie
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To: Jacquerie

good.


2 posted on 11/07/2013 3:03:56 PM PST by dadfly
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To: Girlene; Resolute Conservative; VerySadAmerican; Nuc 1.1; MamaTexan; Political Junkie Too; jeffc; ..

Article V state amendment convention ping!


3 posted on 11/07/2013 3:05:07 PM PST by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope to restore republican freedom.)
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To: Jacquerie

Bullcrap. Nothing to change. A few things to change back like the 17th amendment.


4 posted on 11/07/2013 3:05:45 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Jacquerie

Not just no but HELL NO!

Its bad enough how the constitution been “interpreted”, can you imagine if, even with good intentions, its was reopened for change?


5 posted on 11/07/2013 3:06:02 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: Jacquerie

BTTT

I wish the title of the article hadn’t included the words “Constitutional Convention” as it’s kind of misleading . Other than that, good article and kudos to Indiana for getting this started.


6 posted on 11/07/2013 3:08:27 PM PST by boxlunch (Psalm 2)
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To: Jacquerie

Its about time


7 posted on 11/07/2013 3:09:23 PM PST by Carry me back
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To: holdonnow
Ping.

5.56mm

8 posted on 11/07/2013 3:09:32 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Vaquero

It is not without some risk however. The Communists from NY, MA, OR, CA, would send the craziest of crazies there as disruptions. The would seek to repeal the 2nd, add right to abortion, a chicken in every pot, and a good house, healthcare, and so forth.

Throw in a corrupt media, who would seek to strongarm anyone who went to go along with communist proposals, this might be a bad idea.


9 posted on 11/07/2013 3:10:56 PM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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10 posted on 11/07/2013 3:11:11 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: icwhatudo
I'd suggest drilling down a bit more on Section 5...

Whatever came from this would be legal proposed amendments that would need 3/4 state-by-state ratification.

And, bear in mind that with each state having 1 vote, that heavily tilts this in favor of more conservative states, and removes the advantage of leftist east/west coastal states.

11 posted on 11/07/2013 3:11:13 PM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Jacquerie

So Texas can finally separate?


12 posted on 11/07/2013 3:13:03 PM PST by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Vaquero; icwhatudo; All
Vaquero: Bullcrap. Nothing to change. A few things to change back like the 17th amendment.

icwhatyoudo: Not just no but HELL NO!

I agree NO! The problems with unconstitutionally big fedreal government should be resolved by impeaching lawmakers, executives and justices who ignore the Constitution, as opposed to amending the Constitution, essentially trying to "fix" what is not broke.

13 posted on 11/07/2013 3:18:30 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: Ouderkirk

that’s why I said bullcrap. the red states must did in their heels NO CONVENTION. thank goodness for 2 senators per state.


14 posted on 11/07/2013 3:19:09 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Amendment10

AMEN!


15 posted on 11/07/2013 3:20:05 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

DC does not abide by the Constitution as it is written. What good does amending anything accomplish?
We need to throw the bastards out!


16 posted on 11/07/2013 3:22:19 PM PST by Bob Mc
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To: boxlunch

Agree. It was a very poor and misleading choice of words.

OTOH, it’s brilliant to host the meeting at Mount Vernon.


17 posted on 11/07/2013 3:22:42 PM PST by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope to restore republican freedom.)
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To: Bob Mc

Senator Long and especially Mark Levin propose structural amendments that congress and the courts can’t get around.


18 posted on 11/07/2013 3:24:11 PM PST by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope to restore republican freedom.)
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To: Jacquerie; All
The Fruits of Mark Levin's book are beginning to blossom.

He did mention a week or so ago, 10 states have serious working being done and another 10 starting up.

This is the 1st public debut to my knowledge of efforts moving forward...

19 posted on 11/07/2013 3:25:24 PM PST by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks....)
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To: max americana

If Colorado is any indication, nobody is seceding. An incredible red area kicked that notion to the curb.


20 posted on 11/07/2013 3:27:34 PM PST by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: C210N
I have two reference works.

The first is from the American Legislative Exchange Council, a conservative pro-business group. This document has been sent to every state legislator in the country.

Proposing Constitutional Amendments by a Convention of the States: A Handbook for State Lawmakers

The second is a 1973 report from the American Bar Association attempting to identify gray areas in the amendatory process to include an Amendments Convention. It represents the view of the ruling class of 40 years ago. While I don't like some of their conclusions, they have laid out the precedents that may justify those conclusions. What I respect is the comprehensive job they did in locating all the gray areas. They went so far as to identify a gray area that didn't pop up until the Equal Rights Amendment crashed and burned a decade later. Even if you find yourself in disagreement with their vision, it's worth reading to see how the ruling class will try to dominate an Amendments Convention.

Report of the ABA Special Constitutional Convention Study Committee

21 posted on 11/07/2013 3:31:02 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill & Publius is now available at Amazon.)
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To: Jacquerie

The Supreme Court has already rewritten the Constitution.

I would rather the people do it through their elected representatives.


22 posted on 11/07/2013 3:31:09 PM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: Ouderkirk
The congressional delegations of the states you list can propose whack-job amendments any time they wish.

Article V merely offers another route to offer amendments that goes around the tyrants of Washington, DC.

23 posted on 11/07/2013 3:31:11 PM PST by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Jacquerie

Almost every time an amendment has been made, it has unintended consequences. Between amendments and courts legislating from the bench, there is no doubt that the original Constitution isn’t being followed.

I have severe reservations about a Constitutional Convention. I don’t trust most of the politicians/people these days to help the situation, especially in a process that doesn’t have any rules to begin with.

The politicians these days just ignore the rules, and make stuff up and do what they want anyway. And what they want is not good for individual liberty, and the LSM so far seems to be able to sway the majority of the people to vote against the interest of liberty.


24 posted on 11/07/2013 3:32:56 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
>>I would rather the people do it through their elected representatives.<<

How are reps to overturn freedom destroying scotus decisions?

25 posted on 11/07/2013 3:34:24 PM PST by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Jacquerie

I’m adding this to my support-for-now list. The hurdle of passing any amendment would be high, and it might be a good way to fix what’s wrong with how The Constitution has been mis-interpreted.


26 posted on 11/07/2013 3:36:36 PM PST by be-baw (still seeking)
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To: greeneyes
The point is for us to pressure our state reps to call for an Article V amendment convention to re-federalize the government, to cut the power nuts off our oppressors.

Please read the column.

A Summary of Mark Levin's Proposed Amendments.

27 posted on 11/07/2013 3:39:14 PM PST by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Jacquerie

This is an idiot idea.

There is not a single person in American political life today that I’d trust with improving on what we have.

All this talk reminds me of how many on the right thought term limits would be great until the GOP won the majority in 1994.

Face it folks we simply don’t have anyone who could possibly do better than the Founders.


28 posted on 11/07/2013 3:41:38 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: Jacquerie

State explicitly that the Supreme Court decisions were wrong and the Court must adhere to the corrections being made or else its appellate jurisdiction will be curtailed.


29 posted on 11/07/2013 3:41:44 PM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: Travis McGee
the Con-Con Cometh...
30 posted on 11/07/2013 3:42:02 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: montanajoe

What we have now can be taken away by the Supreme Court, including homo Roberts.


31 posted on 11/07/2013 3:42:31 PM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: OKSooner

Sef-ping.


32 posted on 11/07/2013 3:44:25 PM PST by OKSooner ("Like, cosmic, man.")
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To: Jacquerie

I, for one, love the idea of term limits on the Supreme Court. There are a few other amendments which would be wonderful too. Please don’t yell NO until you have all the facts.


33 posted on 11/07/2013 3:44:36 PM PST by Catsrus (A)
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To: Jacquerie

Amen!


34 posted on 11/07/2013 3:48:36 PM PST by Q-ManRN (Progressivism is regressive!)
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To: Jacquerie

I have read that column. Not sure I agree with all of it. I just don’t have any faith that a ConCon would give us anything better than we have, and more than likely it will be worse.

I would support repealing the 17th amendment, but I am happy with the current constitution. I would like for Congress to quit abdicating their responsibility by letting the President and the Courts do whatever the heck they want, and passing laws to give the President ever more power just so they have a scapegoat.


35 posted on 11/07/2013 3:50:42 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Jacquerie

The last thing in the world we need right now is a Con Con. A poor idea.


36 posted on 11/07/2013 3:51:05 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: montanajoe

The founder’s vision was corrupted. It is time to return to federalism, to divide power once again between DC and the states.

Please read the column.


37 posted on 11/07/2013 3:52:47 PM PST by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Thank you for sharing your feelings.


38 posted on 11/07/2013 3:53:07 PM PST by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Jacquerie

It begins.


39 posted on 11/07/2013 3:53:48 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Jacquerie

PS. I also would like for the State’s to stand up for the 10th amendment, and tell the Feds to take a leap.


40 posted on 11/07/2013 3:53:51 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Vaquero

BAZINGO!

Repeal that ONE collectivist POS amendment, and watch how RED STATES bring BLUE states to HEEL!


41 posted on 11/07/2013 3:55:54 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat ( According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: greeneyes

You contradicted yourself.

When the states booted themselves from the senate, it meant that ALL power would soon float upward into DC. The popularly elected senate is not there to enforce the 10th Amendment; it is there to reflect the will of the mob.

The restoration of federalism, the vertical separation of power is a fundamental principle of our framers’ constitution. They knew that popularly derived bodies soon descend into majoritarian tyranny.


42 posted on 11/07/2013 3:57:25 PM PST by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Jacquerie

Actually I was sharing my wisdom. :-)


43 posted on 11/07/2013 3:58:22 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: greeneyes
To enforce the 9th and 10th Amendments, return the states to the senate.

Also, consider that judicial nominees with a long past of hostility to the states would probably never get out of the senate judiciary committee.

44 posted on 11/07/2013 4:01:38 PM PST by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
One of Levin's amendments would give the states power to overturn Scotus decisions.

THAT is federalism of an order higher than that of our framers. I like it.

45 posted on 11/07/2013 4:03:46 PM PST by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Jacquerie

When the states booted themselves from the senate, it meant that ALL power would soon float upward into DC. The popularly elected senate is not there to enforce the 10th Amendment; it is there to reflect the will of the mob

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That is exactly the point that I was trying to make. Sorry it wasn’t clear. I would like for all the various parts to get back to what was intended to begin with, but I have no faith that even a ConCon would do it, and in fact think that the results would likely be yet another aquiesence in mob rule.


46 posted on 11/07/2013 4:04:00 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: napscoordinator

I’ll take my constitutional amendments with a large side of Skittles and Unicorns. Levin’s ideas are all great but they won’t happen. 3/4 of the states is insurmountable in our polarized age. Here are thirteen reasons we won’t see any good amendments:
NY CA HI VT MA DE MD IL CT RI NJ OR
and here are 13 why there won’t be any terrible leftist ones:
UT ID OK WY MS AK GA TN KY MT ND SD


47 posted on 11/07/2013 4:06:54 PM PST by azcap (Who is John Galt ? www.conservativeshirts.com)
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To: Jacquerie

To enforce the 9th and 10th Amendments, return the states to the senate.
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That’s why I said I’d support repeal of the 17th amendment.
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Also, consider that judicial nominees with a long past of hostility to the states would probably never get out of the senate judiciary committee.

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That would be nice wouldn’t it? Even better it the Congress Critters would remove the current judges hostile to original intent and the states/individual rights.


48 posted on 11/07/2013 4:08:49 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

it = if


49 posted on 11/07/2013 4:09:34 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

The states will send delegates with commissions. They will not send representatives. Delegates have strictly limited power. They are agents of the states. There is really zero chance the amendment convention could descend into a free-for-all.


50 posted on 11/07/2013 4:14:53 PM PST by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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