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Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing charged with second-degree murder
NBC ^ | 11-15-13 | Elizabeth Chuck

Posted on 11/15/2013 12:44:23 PM PST by Oliviaforever

A homeowner has been charged with second-degree murder in the shooting of an unarmed woman on a suburban Detroit porch earlier this month.

Renisha McBride, 19, was killed on Nov. 2 in Dearborn Heights, Mich., when she went to a 54-year-old Theodore Paul Wafer's porch seeking help after a car crash, according to authorities.

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To: Conscience of a Conservative
And that justifies shooting her through a locked door, how?

It does not.

What it does explain is why the encounter between the two was probably not as the family asserted.

21 posted on 11/15/2013 1:14:09 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Hey, i’m not a lawyer, but I don’t see how that can’t play into state of mind.


22 posted on 11/15/2013 1:14:32 PM PST by Farnsworth (Now playing in America: "Stupid is the new normal")
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To: Oliviaforever

Yeah thats worth a try and work as well as it did with Zimmerman.


23 posted on 11/15/2013 1:15:30 PM PST by Farnsworth (Now playing in America: "Stupid is the new normal")
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To: Bobalu

Agreed. Prayers up.


24 posted on 11/15/2013 1:15:56 PM PST by DemforBush (Leave the gun, take the catnip toy.)
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To: spacejunkie2001

I don’t believe anyone has contested that he shot her through the locked screen door. The prosecution said that in open court today, and the only person they could have gotten that information from is the shooter (and lying about a fact like that would be extremely risky/stupid for the prosecutor).


25 posted on 11/15/2013 1:20:07 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Farnsworth

I’m sure it did play into his state of mind. But, it’s not enough to justify shooting. Not by a long shot.


26 posted on 11/15/2013 1:21:07 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Don’t matter, he isn’t going to get a fair shake in court anyway, he’s white and he shot a black person. He’s done.


27 posted on 11/15/2013 1:23:00 PM PST by Farnsworth (Now playing in America: "Stupid is the new normal")
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To: Farnsworth; Conscience of a Conservative
Hey, i’m not a lawyer, but I don’t see how that can’t play into state of mind.

Yoiu don't have to be a lawyer.

You just need to step back and consider:

(1) The defendant will most likely be accused of racism as a motive for the crime he's being tried for.

(2) Why would his defense lawyer then make a race-based argument to justify his client's actions?

Delivering the prosecution an admitted motive wrapped in a pink bow is bad practice for a defense attorney.

28 posted on 11/15/2013 1:24:04 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Farnsworth
He’s doomed anyway, he’s white

Thanks. I was wondering what the mob was for yesterday. They didn't mention "what" the victim was.

29 posted on 11/15/2013 1:25:01 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

who has contested it was an accident?


30 posted on 11/15/2013 1:25:26 PM PST by spacejunkie2001
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To: spacejunkie2001
who has contested it was an accident?

He has been charged with second-degree murder.

Clearly Dearborn County is contesting it.

31 posted on 11/15/2013 1:27:52 PM PST by wideawake
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To: BerryDingle

it’s a given. I don’t recall ever seeing protests for dead whites


32 posted on 11/15/2013 1:28:12 PM PST by Farnsworth (Now playing in America: "Stupid is the new normal")
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To: bigheadfred

I also noticed that people trying to hit a target may miss it pretty regularly, but when the gun just “goes off”, people always seem to have dead aim.


33 posted on 11/15/2013 1:33:03 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Oliviaforever

If he shot her through the door then this could be the first use ever of the “Biden Defense.” VP said to shoot a shotgun through a door.


34 posted on 11/15/2013 1:33:29 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: wideawake; Conscience of a Conservative

I’m making a point to CoaC that there’s hardly any facts out, certainly none that have been validated or confirmed, yet he’s dying to believe the race baiting side of this equation and convict the homeowner. Who, by the way, was minding his own business in his house when a drunk stranger showed up at 3:30 am. Maybe it woke him out of a sound sleep and rattled him so bad he accidentally pulled the trigger??


35 posted on 11/15/2013 1:33:37 PM PST by spacejunkie2001
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To: spacejunkie2001

Even if it was an accident, that may not be terribly relevant. The guy was charged with second degree murder and manslaughter. Under Michigan law, second degree murder can be proven where the defendant kills a person while engaged in conduct that “knowingly creat[es] a very high risk of death or great bodily harm knowing that death or such harm would be the likely result of his/her actions.” I would think that pointing a shotgun at someone, with his finger on the trigger, meets that standard.


36 posted on 11/15/2013 1:34:38 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Boogieman

but see that is positive proof that it really is guns that kill peeple


37 posted on 11/15/2013 1:35:53 PM PST by bigheadfred
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I saw the front porch of this man’s home and it looks like there are 2 doors that the homeowner had to open to shoot this woman. It was very foolish for this homeowner to open up both doors. He could’ve at least kept the screen door closed/locked, to see what the deal was. I wouldn’t even do that though. If this really was a ruse/robbery, the accomplices usually hide in a blind spot by the doorway and could’ve easily rushed for that gun and grabbed it and pushed their way in. He is lucky he isn’t the one dead right now. There are some people who believe because someone trespasses on their property or steals something from their lawn they can shoot them in self defense. They think it’s the same as shooting someone who has broken into a home. He probably told the cops that he shot her because she was on his property. The cops told his that was a big no-no and then he changed his story to the gun went off accidentally.


38 posted on 11/15/2013 1:36:07 PM PST by snowstorm12
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To: spacejunkie2001; Conscience of a Conservative
It think that it comes down to this: most people who have handled a shotgun know that it is very hard to accidentally discharge one unless you know almost nothing about shotguns.

If you put your finger on the trigger of a firearm, it had better be to fire it - it's not a resting place for your finger.

His story is, on its face, very difficult to credit.

39 posted on 11/15/2013 1:37:14 PM PST by wideawake
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To: spacejunkie2001
I’m making a point to CoaC that there’s hardly any facts out, certainly none that have been validated or confirmed, yet he’s dying to believe the race baiting side of this equation and convict the homeowner.

I could care less about the "race baiting side" of this case. My analysis would be the same if it was a white guy shooting a black girl, a black guy shooting a white girl, or a leprechaun shooting a fairy.

40 posted on 11/15/2013 1:37:50 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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