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Driver Arrested in Ohio for Secret Car Compartment Full of Nothing
Reason ^ | November 21, 2013 | Scott Shackford

Posted on 11/21/2013 5:45:52 PM PST by kiryandil

Norman Gurley, 30, is facing drug-related charges in Lorain County, Ohio, despite the fact that state troopers did not actually find any drugs in his possession.

Ohio passed a law in 2012 making it a felony to alter a vehicle to add a secret compartment with the “intent” of using it to conceal drugs for trafficking.

Gurley is the first actual person arrested under the law. WKYC in Northeast Ohio covered the arrest, with no notable journalistic skepticism whatsoever:

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; policestate
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To: kiryandil

I heard someone this week say something like; the American people commit on average of 2 felonies a week.


41 posted on 11/21/2013 7:57:43 PM PST by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: kiryandil
The so-called “secret” compartment was empty.

The prosecution has to prove:
1. He had criminal intent.
2. He made the illegal modification for illegal purposes.
3. If this car was previously owned, prove the mod was made by the present owner.

How does a prosecutor prove any of this? Good luck.

42 posted on 11/21/2013 7:59:21 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Venturer

“They pulled over the driver for speeding, but then troopers noticed several wires running to the back of the car. Those wires then led them directly to a hidden compartment.”

Since I don’t think that “wires” are necessary to hide drugs, maybe he was wiring it for an external drive to store music files to play, or something like that.


43 posted on 11/21/2013 8:03:34 PM PST by deks ("This nation is in grave jeopardy." Mark Levin, November 21, 2013)
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To: ifinnegan
“It’s drug users fault.”

Yes, of course. They are taking ALL our freedoms, money and privacy because 1% of the population is addicted to $100/month (real value) worth of chemicals.

The percentage of addicts has not changed since the WOD began. It is most likely genetic and these mentally ill people are not influenced by any laws.

These addicts steal $10,000/month worth of property to buy $100 worth of drugs and hand it to gangbanger dealers. Maybe 1% are caught and then we pay $60k+ for prison until they get out and start immediately using again.

Even without counting the incredible cost of pointless law enforcement and prison, it would be far cheaper for society to give every addict free drugs, treatment and a place to sleep.

44 posted on 11/21/2013 8:15:32 PM PST by varyouga
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To: ifinnegan

Nope. Drug users have no pull with the powers that be. It is the drug warriors who have profited so mightily by the status quo, and the damage they’ve done to our republic.


45 posted on 11/21/2013 8:23:29 PM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: MasterGunner01
How does a prosecutor prove any of this? Good luck.

Most certainly he will prevail at trial, but its going to cost him $5000 to $8000 in legal fees which he will not be able recover. The States intent of the law is not to necessarily convict but impose pains and penalties to achieve their fascist unconstitutional objectives.

46 posted on 11/21/2013 9:10:39 PM PST by suijuris
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To: caver

Actually its an add on charge for drug possesion, assumes you are then dealing without saying so. I was on a jury where the guy was growing more pot then his marajuana card allowed. They found ziplock bags in his kitchen so added that charge. We found him guilty of everything except the ziplock. Try and find a kitchen without a ziplock. It was pretty much jury nulification.


47 posted on 11/21/2013 10:04:35 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: SkyDancer

You bring in that dog from New Mexico to hit on the compartment?


48 posted on 11/21/2013 10:16:52 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: zeugma

Liberal world view you are presenting.


49 posted on 11/21/2013 10:28:42 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: kiryandil

50 posted on 11/21/2013 10:30:09 PM PST by Daffynition (*$17,000,000,000,000* Fear the beards! GO SOX!)
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To: kiryandil
When did Ohio go Fascist?

Pre-1980.

51 posted on 11/22/2013 1:04:06 AM PST by Sarajevo
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To: MasterGunner01
How does a prosecutor prove any of this?

Simple, he screams louder than the next guy.

52 posted on 11/22/2013 1:07:53 AM PST by Sarajevo
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To: deks

Good grief, it could have been simply for an anti-theft kill switch!

Someone please whack those prosecutors with a clue bat!


53 posted on 11/22/2013 1:15:22 AM PST by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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To: MasterGunner01

And they won’t. However an innocent citizen was put to a grand hassle for which he is unlikely to get recompensed by the hassling people.

When wind of the results gets back to the legislature then MAYBE they will put some sanity back into the law.

And in a larger sense, this is another divine lesson in the consequences of tolerating evils (and drugs have little to do with it, surprisingly enough — they are only one of myriad signs of the evils).


54 posted on 11/22/2013 1:23:35 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: ifinnegan

No, conservative. So conservative that they do not blame inanimate objects for sins committed by people using those objects.


55 posted on 11/22/2013 1:24:37 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: skeeter

“I still have a book I decades ago hollowed out for my stash of fire crackers. I’d better turn myself in.”

No need. They’re already on their way.


56 posted on 11/22/2013 1:50:40 AM PST by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: Principle Over Politics; Cold Heart; kiryandil; Nik Naym; rockrr; 21twelve; Viennacon; ...
"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.” Ayn Rand
57 posted on 11/22/2013 3:06:58 AM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger than yours)
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To: ifinnegan

You can call me anything you like, but that doesn’t change the fact that the war on drugs has done more to destroy our freedoms than allowing idiots to do drugs ever would.


58 posted on 11/22/2013 6:42:21 AM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: zeugma

I did not call you anything, I described a viewpoint.

I disagree with your assertion and point out if no one used drugs there would not be a myriad of problems.

The users are the genesis of these problems.

I know you don’t understand and probably can’t as of yet.


59 posted on 11/22/2013 7:29:19 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: 21twelve

“What if the secret compartment was built to hide his smokes from his wife?”

__

Or hide your Snickers from your kids. (I used to do that)

:-)

.


60 posted on 11/22/2013 7:36:22 AM PST by Mears
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