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Cocaine, the Congressman and Contradictions (Trey Radel)
The Miami Herald ^ | Sunday, November 24, 2013 | Marc Caputo

Posted on 11/24/2013 12:33:39 PM PST by kristinn

Trey Radel owes Big Government. Big time.

Like other tea partiers, the freshman political newcomer from Fort Myers went to Washington to keep government out of our lives and to fight government spending.

At the same time, Radel and some buddies were snorting cocaine. In his private tea parties, the question of one-lump-or-two of sugar had a whole different meaning.

On Oct. 29, the two parties collided.

Radel was busted after an undercover agent in Washington sold him what’s known as an “8 Ball,” an eighth of an ounce of cocaine, or 3.5 grams for $260.

So time to rail against Big Government telling a private citizen what he can do, right? Time to question the governmental costs of the drug war, eh? Maybe even wonder about equal treatment under the law? Growing police power and the Fourth Amendment?

Nope.

Radel, 37, just apologized and went to rehab.

All the talk of less government, big spending, personal freedom and the Constitution were blown away amid the Republican’s expressions of contrition in a case that highlights our political contradictions, especially when it comes to drugs.

“A lot of Republicans say they’re against big government, but they’re not,” said Jeffrey Miron, a Harvard University economist and fellow of the libertarian Cato Institute.

“Most politicians are for big government,” Miron said. “The question is: Which big government are they for?”

SNIP

Now Radel owes that government a solid after the federal cops appeared to cut him some significant slack.

When he was busted in the undercover federal sting, Radel wasn’t taken to the station. It appears he wasn’t even jailed or handcuffed.

(Excerpt) Read more at miamiherald.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: florida; marccaputo; obamadidcoketoo; teaparty; treyradel
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1 posted on 11/24/2013 12:33:39 PM PST by kristinn
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To: kristinn
Congressman Trey Radel: Why I’m A Hip Hop Conservative:

I felt a thrill listening to this music. Immediately, the hip-hop artists did what artists have been doing for centuries – they opened my eyes up to a whole new world.

2 posted on 11/24/2013 12:53:42 PM PST by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: kristinn
Miron estimates taxpayers shell out about $44 billion yearly for the drug war, and that legalizing and taxing drugs would yield $33 billion more in annual revenue.

But decriminalizing drugs undercuts the police and prison-industrial complex — the ultimate expressions of Big Government power over its citizens.

Now Radel owes that government a solid after the federal cops appeared to cut him some significant slack.

This is what the anti-legalisation buffoons just don't get.

3 posted on 11/24/2013 12:56:42 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: kristinn

Of course I wish Trey Radel had not been dabbling in illegal drugs, but he did. The time has come where one should not need to self-exile after a bad choice if there is real contrition. The Dems feel no compulsion to ‘do the right thing and disappear’ after having disgraced oneself. We Tea Partiers need to be disciplined, yes, but wait a while before giving up and wearing the guilty mask. Maybe his career can still be salvaged. It worked for Obama.


4 posted on 11/24/2013 12:59:43 PM PST by lee martell
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To: kristinn

Jay Leno had mentioned something about how this guy got a pass (paid vacation) and lenient treatment from the cops while anyone else with ‘Washington’ as his last name would’ve been treated very differently.


5 posted on 11/24/2013 1:03:16 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: lee martell
...real contrition

I'd understand that if it had been something in his past, but this is unacceptable. He took an HOR seat representing the conservative view; if he really believed in that he wouldn't be giving the opposition to conservatives an isssue. Buying illegal drugs himself in DC?...how dumb does it get? What happens now if it turns out Obama's using illegal drugs? Rehab and a leave of absence?

One can't help but wonder if this is a warning to hypocritacal conservatives and other anti-Obama folks of what will happen if they have any bad habits.

6 posted on 11/24/2013 1:09:27 PM PST by grania
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks kristinn.


7 posted on 11/24/2013 1:20:58 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: re_nortex

Marc Caputo

8 posted on 11/24/2013 1:32:17 PM PST by kcvl
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He’s compromised. No reason to suspect that he hasn’t been turned. He’s their man now.


9 posted on 11/24/2013 2:02:24 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: lee martell

He wasn’t dabbling.

He was swimming naked in a mountain of coke.

To hell with him and his career.

I’m not going to be ruled by criminals.


10 posted on 11/24/2013 3:35:39 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: James C. Bennett
Jay Leno had mentioned something about how this guy got a pass (paid vacation) and lenient treatment from the cops while anyone else with ‘Washington’ as his last name would’ve been treated very differently.

Leno's full of it. I doubt anyone would go to jail for a first offense possession charge.

11 posted on 11/24/2013 4:03:38 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: VeniVidiVici

There is no misdemeanor possession of cocaine.

Any amount is a felony.

He bought 3.5 grams from a cop. That’s an eight ball. If you or me or anyone else did that, we’d be charged with felony possession of a controlled substance with intent to distribute.

They found a further undisclosed amount at his apartment.

People who use this drug are depraved, empty individuals.

What I see in this thread are people who don’t want to lose a seat held by a criminal and a hypocrite because he has an R behind his name.

Leno is dead right, and the fact that anyone is defending this ahole is pitiful.


12 posted on 11/24/2013 4:14:38 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37
There is no misdemeanor possession of cocaine.

You honestly think that Chocolate City has no misdemeanor charge for cocaine possession? He pled guilty to a misdemeanor charge of cocaine possession. How can he plead to a non-existent crime?

13 posted on 11/24/2013 5:44:38 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Go buy an 8 ball from a cop and see what happens.


14 posted on 11/24/2013 5:46:36 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

I don’t have to. If you claim their is record of someone in DC getting convicted of a felony with no priors for first time coke possession for this amount, prove it.


15 posted on 11/24/2013 6:07:37 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: VeniVidiVici

No, I think I’m just going to marvel at you defending a coke head who wants to drug test welfare recipients and increase mandatory minimums on drug users the whole time snorting a mountain of coke himself.

It really is true what they say about republicans.

They are damn stupid.


16 posted on 11/24/2013 6:27:47 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

Dunno, maybe he doesn’t want his bad habit to spread?


17 posted on 11/24/2013 6:30:44 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Well, surely he can’t snort that much himself.

I mean that would pretty much put him on the same level as Scarface in terms of personal consumption.

An 8 ball is a lot of coke, and that isn’t all that they caught him with. That’s just what he bought from that at one time.


18 posted on 11/24/2013 6:34:30 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

I’m not defending a coke head. He should resign.

I’m calling out Leno for his bullshit comment that no Black would have ever gotten the same treatment.


19 posted on 11/24/2013 6:36:45 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: chris37

Hey, I don’t disagree that he’s not the best example here.

Hypocrisy tends to be a problem among those who “abuse the body” to put it in general terms. And this isn’t just drugs, it is bizarre forms of sex, it is alcoholism, it is other obsessions that are harmful to health.

I’m not saying this to cast blame on any person. I don’t blame; I do point out the need for taking responsibility.


20 posted on 11/24/2013 6:41:30 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

He’s right.

Not with the amount of coke he got caught with.

He got a break because he’s ruling class.

What he got caught with is by no means or in any way misdemeanor possession.

Anyone else caught with that amount, not including whatever amount was also found at his apartment, would definitely be charged with intent.


21 posted on 11/24/2013 6:45:20 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I’m really aggravated that no one has called for this criminal to step down.

I have no respect for any of these people, in fact what I have is contempt.


22 posted on 11/24/2013 6:46:31 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37
Anyone else caught with that amount, not including whatever amount was also found at his apartment, would definitely be charged with intent.

Prove it. Show me ONE resident of D.C. with no priors convicted of a felony with the same amount of coke or less. Otherwise you're just trolling.

23 posted on 11/24/2013 6:52:34 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: chris37

It’s like the political class has closed in around its members and isolated them from any practical blowback.

This has been a weird year, I think, spiritually speaking. I think spiritual battle lines have drawn tighter and become more distinct. I ain’t bragging on me, but I hope I will be indulged around here when I brag on God when I say God has pulled tighter around me, a life long bumbler who just squeaked into salvation 24 years ago. But it looks like, simultaneously, the devil has pulled tighter around other entities. I’ve seen bizarre behavior in a business that I never would have expected to see. People are just standing a-gawk over Obamacare and talking about this rape-job as if it were... what... the vote for Miss America?

I think God’s getting ready to make a big move in 2014. Exactly what it is I am not sure, but we are probably going to see unusual new forms of evangelism. IMHO.


24 posted on 11/24/2013 6:54:47 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

I don’t actually know how much else was found in his apartment, because as far as I know, that has not been said nor can I find it anywhere.

I did find this though-

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/11/19/trey-radel-drug-possession-congress/3643933/

“FBI agents later went to Radel’s apartment, where they detained him, the official said. Radel hired a defense attorney who negotiated charges with a prosecutor, the official said. Law enforcement agents never handcuffed Radel or took him to jail, the official said.

Radel will appear Wednesday in District of Columbia Superior Court to face the misdemeanor cocaine possession charge. Charging documents from the U.S. attorney’s office say Radel “unlawfully, knowingly and intentionally” possessed “a quantity of cocaine.”

The charge is a misdemeanor and carries a maximum of 180 days in prison and/or a fine of $1,000, according to the U.S. attorney’s office.”

Never handcuffed, never taken to jail...amount not specified, I happen to know he bought an 8 ball, but not because I can find it anywhere.

He is being given a pass here, and yes I see that D.C.’s coke laws are lax, but I wonder if the brothers in the clink would agree with the kid glove treatment this benevolent ruler of ours got.

You can call me a troll if you want, this slime ball should be under the damn jail.


25 posted on 11/24/2013 7:09:37 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I definitely agree with all you’ve I’m a life long bumbler too who is here by the Grace of God only, so I’m very partial to how you’ve stated that.

I think a battle of Good and Evil is just over the horizon too.


26 posted on 11/24/2013 7:11:21 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

Have you had a sense of the Holy Spirit pulling tighter around your soul this year, more significantly than in previous years? Just curious. It happened to me around the middle of this summer, concurrent with an illness that knocked me out of work for 3 weeks... it was a garden variety bronchitis but the treatments the doctor prescribed made my health worse in various ways. When I couldn’t stick it out at work (I first tried to work part days) I had a distinct sense of laying my pride down and accepting the Lord’s will and soon I felt like I was getting pulled into spiritual victory. A crazy way to have it happen, but sometimes God has to knock our pride down like that for us to accept the love.


27 posted on 11/24/2013 7:18:23 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: chris37

Also I wouldn’t call you “heartless” (unless you mean that as an irony). Your heart embraces different things than the world does.


28 posted on 11/24/2013 7:19:51 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Mmm I only put hat Heartless there because Rick Perry said that of me a few years ago now.

I can be harsh sometimes too in my posts, especially when I’ve had enough, which is all the time these days.

But the truth of the matter is that I do have a heart, most especially for dogs :D


29 posted on 11/24/2013 7:21:54 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37
He is being given a pass here, and yes I see that D.C.’s coke laws are lax, but I wonder if the brothers in the clink would agree with the kid glove treatment this benevolent ruler of ours got.

Riiiiight. The "brothers in the clink" who have rap sheets a mile long. I'm sure they'll whine. Again, it's public record. Do a little research, make a few calls and post your results.

30 posted on 11/24/2013 7:23:17 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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I have, sir.

Very recently something occurred in my life, it was on June 28, 2013, and I have no other way of explain what happened and how it happened other than to say that my Lord, Jesus Christ, sent an angel to comfort me in a time of sadness so crushing. In less then one day, my sadness was replaced by joy that I still experience every day.

There have been other times in my life that this has occurred as well.

You know I don’t want to sound like I’m crazy or anything like that, but looking at my life it is very hard for me to understand some of the good things that have happened to me other than to say that I know for a fact Someone above loves me for reasons I can’t understand, and He is actively looking out for me.

I will also say that were it not for Jesus being active in my life, I would have died years ago.


31 posted on 11/24/2013 7:27:01 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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Well... you know. If this legal system here was consistent they’d book him hard.

But I’m learning not to get vengeance minded. The Lord is quite capable of “the wrath” and I only wish blessings to people now (of course they are quite capable of rejecting the blessings, whereupon only the wrath remains).

Also I do not believe in scapegoating any thing that is not of itself sin. Cocaine can be used in medicine for good or bad purposes. It didn’t use to be nearly the subject of habituation that it is today. I liken drug misuse to getting a visit from Satan. Once it was reflexively shunned as the horror against the God created human body that it was. Few would likely want it more than once. Now it’s more like “Hey! Cool! Satan!”


32 posted on 11/24/2013 7:27:15 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Only means Coke Boy hadn’t been caught yet.

Nobody buys an 8 ball on their first time. I ain’t no dummy, and I’m not given this republican criminal a pass.


33 posted on 11/24/2013 7:28:39 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

bump!


34 posted on 11/24/2013 7:32:19 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: chris37

Very interesting. In February 2013 I believe I was strengthened by the touch of an angel in (you’ll laugh) a Wal-Mart parking lot. I could probably narrow down the date if I wanted. I wasn’t in any particular distress at the time. However I was working for a company, one which had in fact been founded as Christian but had gone secular, whose management was getting more and more self destructive, and I really began noticing the problem in March. Finally fired me in late October in what looked like a bizarre trap beset with lies. I have an interview for a new job tomorrow and your prayers for my success won’t be refused.


35 posted on 11/24/2013 7:32:38 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: chris37

Are you freaking ignorant? So nobody buys an “8 ball” their first time. Black, White, first time he’s been caught. Again, I’m not defending what the dumbass did, only that he’s not alone in getting a lenient sentence for a first-timer.


36 posted on 11/24/2013 7:36:29 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: chris37

Hypocrisy grande.

Still, I regard drug bans as, at best, spiritual band-aids,
“healing the wound lightly, saying peace, peace when there is no peace.” As America, we’ve been flunking the tests of honoring God in our bodies, badly, for many many decades. While seemingly a myriad of ills, this is actually a head-on assault at the gospel imperative/promise of honoring God in our bodies. I am not surprised at the homo craze. It’s part of the same spiritual insanity. I look at Sodom and wonder if a minority managed to actually bully the rest of the men of the town into joining in the attempted rape of the attractive angels. We don’t see that kind of percentage of homosexuality in any population, not even in prisons.


37 posted on 11/24/2013 7:38:18 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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That COULD be possible... chris, try to apply a little charity here I’d suggest. Might have been more an ego thing than a habituation thing. Just a possibility. News organs aren’t that wonderful at giving us exact details in the best of cases.


38 posted on 11/24/2013 7:40:00 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Yeah that’s right, no one buys an 8 ball their first time, unless of course they are trying to die of acute cocaine intoxication.

Furthermore, he bought an 8 ball from a cop. Offense #1

He had a spate amount at his apartment. Offense #2.

He was neither jailed nor cuffed.

I smell a bunch of BS, dude, and no I’m not ignorant. I’m not giving him a pass because he won an election or because he has a r by his name.

He’s a stinking criminal, a liar and a hypocrite, and he and his career can go to Hell.


39 posted on 11/24/2013 7:43:42 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

I think Satan is doing a bang-up job of making all that stuff go to hell... in place.


40 posted on 11/24/2013 7:46:26 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: chris37

Pardon my innocence here but I am not even sure what an 8 ball is supposed to be. A pill? Something injectable? Could he have wanted to use it in parts, as being something cheaper than the same amount bought in parts?

It’s not necessarily “making excuses” to not try to read the worst possible interpretation into events.


41 posted on 11/24/2013 7:48:54 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: chris37

There are misdemeanor cocaine charges. It depends on the state. New York had them, Georgia does not. I do not know about Florida. Amounts to qualify for a misdemeanor are small.


42 posted on 11/24/2013 8:01:14 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“8 ball” is short for an eight of an ounce. A little over 3 grams.


43 posted on 11/24/2013 8:01:57 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: VeniVidiVici
he’s not alone in getting a lenient sentence for a first-timer.

Correct.

44 posted on 11/24/2013 8:02:58 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

Thanks for the info. Would I be correct to read that as, powder in an envelope or vial?


45 posted on 11/24/2013 8:06:37 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: chris37
Since you obviosly won't prove your case, this is for you


46 posted on 11/24/2013 8:14:28 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The thing that really bugs me about this man in particular is that while he battles his own demons, he seeks to increase the punishment of others with the same demons.

It may be beyond me to forgive people such as this. I’m flawed, I have grown to despise some types of people on this earth, and liars and hypocrites such as this man are among them.

I just find myself running very short of sympathy or empathy for many, many people these days, and I think that your term of spiritual insanity is as accurate as it possibly can be.

We as a species have strayed far form the Shepherd.


47 posted on 11/24/2013 8:22:21 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Hey man, whatever makes you feel good, who cares.


48 posted on 11/24/2013 8:23:32 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It’s I/8 of an ounce of cocaine, which is a considerable amount.

It is by no means indicative of a small or beginner’s habit at all


49 posted on 11/24/2013 8:24:31 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Lazamataz

Yeah I see that is the case in DC. however this man had no small amount, he had a large amount, and he had more than one amount in separate locations.

So I’m a little curious as to why he was neither jailed nor cuffed nor charged with a felony.

Stinks to me.


50 posted on 11/24/2013 8:26:04 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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