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Posted on 12/04/2013 5:17:43 AM PST by SJackson
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Spencer and Geller Banned from Britain for Supporting Israel
Posted By Robert Spencer On December 4, 2013 @ 12:56 am In Daily Mailer,FrontPage | 5 Comments
New revelations about why I was banned from entering Great Britain reveal how deeply compromised the British government is to hard-Leftists and Islamic supremacists including the most virulent haters of Israel.
As faithful FrontPage readers may recall, last June I was banned from Britain because, as a letter from the U.K. Home Office told me, your presence here is not conducive to the public good. Why not? Because I said (quite factually) that Islam is a religion and is a belief system that mandates warfare against unbelievers for the purpose for establishing a societal model that is absolutely incompatible with Western society. And also because, the letter said, you are the founder of the blog Jihad Watch (a site widely criticized for being Islamophobic), and you co-founded the Freedom Defense Initiative and Stop Islamization of America, both of which have been described as anti-Muslim hate groups.
Note the passive voice: the Freedom Defense Initiative (actually the American Freedom Defense Initiative, AFDI) and Stop Islamization of America have been described as anti-Muslim hate groups by whom? The letter didnt say. And Jihad Watch has been widely criticized for being Islamophobic by whom? The letter gives no hint, instead attempting to establish these charges as the judicious assessment of neutral observers.
Now, however, newly released documents relating to our case, as Pamela Geller discussed in a recent Daily Caller article, reveal that the Home Offices decision was guided by far-Left agitation groups with a deep animus against Israel.
Of course, this was already obvious from the Home Offices repetition of the charge that Jihad Watch is Islamophobic in its letter to me. Islamophobia is a manipulative and propagandistic neologism designed to intimidate non-Muslims into thinking that there is something bigoted and racist about resisting jihad terror and opposing Sharia oppression of women, non-Muslims, gays and others. The only people who use it at all are Islamic supremacists who want to clear away all obstacles to the advance of jihad, their Leftist allies, and those whom they have bamboozled into thinking it is a legitimate term of discourse such as the British Home Office.
So it was obvious already who was whispering into the Home Offices ear, but now it is confirmed. As Pamela Geller noted, in the newly revealed documents all reference to the identities of those who asked that we be banned have been blacked out. However, their black marker missed one reference, revealing that one of the groups complaining about us was Faith Matters. Faith Matters was founded by a Muslim named Fiyaz Mughal, who also heads up Tell Mama, a group dedicated to tracking Islamophobia. Tell Mama lost government funding in June after making false claims of waves of attacks Islamophobic incidents.
So around the same time that Tell Mama was being stripped of its government funding for lying about the prevalence of anti-Muslim hate crimes, that same government was accepting its advice and counsel in favor of banning Pamela Geller and me from the country. Was the Home Office unaware that Tell Mama was wildly exaggerating Islamophobia in Britain, and was thus an untrustworthy source for any information related to it, or did it simply not care?
As the Home Office makes its case against us, it also cites as authorities two pro-jihad smear sites, Loonwatch and Islamophobia Today both of which have published numerous false charges, distortions, and outright lies about me, my public stands on various issues, my activities, and my associations. Both are devoted to completely discrediting anyone who dares to criticize jihad and Islamic supremacism, and to portraying those who oppose jihad terror as just terrible, terrible people. Generally they do this in the context of lurid ridicule of and furious hatred and contempt for their targets, larded with risible pseudo-scholarly refutations of their works recalling nothing so much as Der Stürmer. And true to their Nazi prototype, both are relentlessly anti-Israel, retailing Palestinian jihad propaganda with the same clownish fury and disregard for the facts that marks their analyses as a whole.
That anyone regards such sites seriously, with their gleeful flouting of accuracy and genuine analysis, and willingness to retail any smear to discredit their targets, is strange enough. That the British Home Office would be among those who do is a telling indication of just how thoroughly David Camerons Conservative government has been compromised, and how abjectly it has capitulated to a far-Left agenda.
The prime confirmation of this comes from one email from the Home Offices massive team investigating Geller and me. The author (name redacted, of course) notes that the subject profiles that were prepared on us cite our pro-Israeli views, and argues that this material be removed, lest the wicked Zionists Geller and Spencer argue publically that their exclusion is on the basis of their support for Israel.
Well, that let the cat out of the bag. So here goes: I am hereby arguing publically that my exclusion was on the basis of my support for Israel, along with my Islamophobia. In banning me from the country, the British government capitulated to far-Left and Islamic supremacist pressure groups that are both virulently anti-Israel and enraged about the trumped-up phenomenon of Islamophobia, while making excuses for or ignoring altogether the reality of Islamic jihad and the numerous human rights abuses perpetrated daily in its name.
Were this a Labour government, this capitulation might be understandable after all the Leftist/Islamic supremacist alliance has been noted in numerous quarters for years, and people nowadays more or less expect liberals and Leftists to be anti-Israel and anti-counterjihad, if not outright pro-jihad. But the Tories?
The Conservative government of David Cameron has failed the British people as thoroughly and resoundingly as the Republican Party has failed the American people. Both could have and should have constituted themselves as a loyal opposition, departing from the Leftist line. Instead, they have parroted it in innumerable ways, and disenfranchised millions of their constituents by offering no alternative to the dominant paradigm.
Whether or not I ever get into Britain again, the Conservative collapse revealed in the Home Office documents relating to my ban reveal a ruling party, and a society, that is profoundly confused, deeply compromised, and facing far greater crises to come.
Sorry, Robert, Britain is now in the hands of the dhimmis and no one wants to hear otherwise.
Are you out there, thescotsman? UK is a nonfree country & this latest outrage absolutely nails it!
Banning decent people for their political views is so shocking to me. I can’t imagine being banned from Great Britain - the thought horrifies me. Never getting to see another theatrical production in London - still the glory of the English-speaking world. I feel for Spencer and Geller. Apparently, Savage was never going to go there - but the other two are frequent visitors. I wonder how many tourist dollars they’ve spent over the years...
Not necessarily a bad thing, when you are banned from Britain you know your voice is being heard.
Spencer and Geller should see there readership increase ten fold.
Free speech cuts like a hot knife thru warm butter.
If youd like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
First it was Savage and now these two. Not surprising since the UK is leading the West into the abyss of death and destruction while throwing anti-Semitism in just to stay classy.
Nuke the island from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.
when “phobic” is added to the end of a word and used by leftists against the right it only means “you don’t agree with me and the corrupt activity mentioned that I’m engaging in”. I’m not scared of homos or Islam; I just abhor what they stand for.
Agree. It is shocking - for the reasons you listed, and more. Have we banned any native born Brits?
We may have. And if we have, I hope for legitimate reasons. Certainly no one is banning the actor Mark Rylance who shows up like a bad penny at Tony Award time to pick up another trophy. Which he then passes on to a homeless person. Stay classy, Mark, lol!
They are in good company. Michael Savage has been banned for years because of his anti-Islam stance
Britain is a conquered muslim possession. Where’s a good place for the victory mosque? Westminster Abbey?
Oops! Your courtesy ping was missing something.
I just sent another donation to Geller for her excellent web-site “AtlasShrugs” and all the other work she is doing.
I agree with everything that Spence and Geller say about Islam. I am a proud Islamophobe. In Great Britain, the spirit of Neville Chamberlaine lives, but so does the spirit of Sir Winston Churchill, though right now it’s dormant. If Britons live for a thousand years, they will say that banning Robert Spencer was their most dastardly, most cowardly hour. Now ban me!
No, it isn’t. And this ill-thought out decision dosent change that. Stupid govt dosent equal dhimmitude or whatever buzzword is fashionable now.
Nobody has heard of Geller or Spencer in the UK bar folks like me. Let them in, to be frank, few will listen, they go home. This has created two martyrs who will like Savage play it to the hilt for publicity.
This is a poor decision, I have said from the start. But you miss the fact that its the two involved who are telling us why they are banned. Not a impartial third party. Its easy to spout off and tell everyone why you are banned, even if isn’t true.
Frankly, the govt here has played into their hands. They LOVE the fact they are banned. I doubt they’d have come anyway. Geller’s one hero in the UK, Tommy Robinson, is now someone she has publicly despises. She loathes him now as a ‘coward’ and ‘traitor’. Her words, not mine.
Don’t send Morgan back.
Scotland is part of Britain.
Britain, for all the mistakes and problems, is not lost, and all the posts on FR or what America thinks, dosent make it true.
We have serious problems with Islamic extremism in the young, but we are not a dhimmi country nor conquered. Nor will we be. It will take us some time to fight the problems of extremism, but we are not lost. Such claims are made by people who don’t live in the UK, and decide what the UK is based on news and the internet.
The Muslim population (not all of whom are of Pakistani descent) in the UK is 4%. 4, not 10, or 20 or 25. And of that four percent, the vast majority are decent, non extreme people living and working. The minority of extremists is therefore a tiny minority, albeit very dangerous and need to be destroyed, within a minority.
As to Scotland, it, like Wales and NI, has very small Muslim populations: ours is 0.9%. 50000 Muslims based mainly around one city, Glasgow.
Because its very small, the Scottish Muslims have never had a problem with extremism and in fact were the first to clamp down in the 90’s on any trouble. And in the one race-related Muslim murder (Kris Donald in Glasgow), the community leaders worked with the Scots police and govt to get the killers extradited from Pakistan to face trial.
In fact, the only Scottish Muslim terrorist of note so far is a WHITE convert from Dundee!.
No it isn’t.
Why not actually come here and see how the reality reflects your perceptions?.
Scotts, we have argued the climate of personal liberty in UK for some time. Usually it’s about guns because that’s personal property, but freedom of speech is right up there, too.
I just read about the principle of parliamentary sovereignty in UK. Does that mean that Parliament is unanswerable? I remember when Official Secrets Act was thought tantamount to creating a British KGB.
Do you believe that Geerd Wilders and Robert Spencer are rejoicing over the free publicity by being banned from UK? I think them saddened by this arbitrary action, especially when Anjem Choudary & other Muslim spokesmen say some truly deadly things without any official reproof.
And yes, Stacey Dooley is one cool girl who stands up to the Muslim radicals. Hope she’s allowed to keep a shotgun.
Real question: under what circumstances & with what authorization can British police enter a citizen’s home unannounced?
1—’I just read about the principle of parliamentary sovereignty in UK. Does that mean that Parliament is unanswerable?’
In theory, yes. Although many would argue not actually.
2—Police can only enter premises without a warrant if a serious or dangerous incident has taken place. There seems outside the UK to be some confusion with the ‘warrant card’ all British police carry:
So, a warrant card is simply a police officer’s ID & proof of rank/authorized powers.
Not the fabled “pocket warrant” that some Yanks believe makes judges unnecessary when police are searching homes.
Back to topic: were Geller & Spencer denied entry to UK because their views were deemed innately offensive, or did the Home Office fear Muslim riots were they to speak?
Maybe they remember how Lord Achmed buffaloed the House of Lords over the “Fitna” video. Threatened to surround Parliament with 10,000 angry Muslim men if it aired in chambers (sorry, couldn’t resist).
Geller and Spencer (and sadly others): I don’t know, we can only speculate. Perhaps a bit of both. Perhaps just the first: being PC. I don’t remember any warnings of mass riots/protests if they arrived.
Nobody here has heard of them (Wilders was different), only people like me who are on FR or RightNation. Geller and Spencer have never appeared on radio or TV or print. We should have let them in, their audience here would have been tiny. The media might have picked them up or rejected them as extreme, I don’t know.
Free Speech: A Muslim saying he’ll cut your head off for not obeying Islam.
Hate Speech: Quoting the Muslim saying he’d cut off your head for not obeying Islam.
It’s on the same island. Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
But if they all want to go off island for a two week vaca while the island is nuked (with neutron bombs) then go ahead. Just don’t tell the others.
Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller speak truth. That’s why the Jihadists pay off the British cowards in high places to do this dastardly deed of banning the noble and good and peaceful people who understand the pure hate and evil of Islamic Jihad. What they have done is tantamount to hating and banning Jesus or Moses, while kissing the arses of those who are just waiting to kill non-Muslims.
Read your Koran, Brits, read it and learn. If anyone wants the truth about Islam, read Robert Spencer’s books. Spencer is not the only one who tells it like it is. He’s articulate and has facts and knows the Koran and Hadithas, so the Muslim Jihad propaganda machine threatens those who invite Spencer to speak.
Geller simply reports the savage killings and physical atrocities the Muslims carry out every day across the globe. For that they scared that the pattern will be clear before they finish their job. Muslims are the biggest censors in the world.
Freedom of speech advocates are eerily silent about the biggest censors in the world. The avoid the elephant in the living room. Are they scared? We are in a dark, dark time and it’s getting darker. Muslims are afraid that people will learn what they really are.
If Britain had a brain, they’d give knighthood to Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller and Michael Savage. That’s about the only way they can try to right to terrible wrong that Britain has done. Brits who read this: Speak, up. A travesty has been committed by your government.
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