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Next for pension reform: Chicago (only $29 billion in the hole)
Chicago Tribune ^ | 12/08/13

Posted on 12/8/2013, 1:35:40 PM by Libloather

For Chicago lawmakers who thought Tuesday's pension vote was politically dangerous, just wait until next year. Then on the docket in Springfield: gravely needed reforms for the retirement systems that benefit Chicago teachers, city workers, laborers, firefighters and police.

**SNIP**

Combined, the city of Chicago's four pension funds are $19.5 billion in the hole and only 36 percent funded. Add another $9.5 billion in unfunded liability from the Chicago teachers' fund for a grand total of $29 billion.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chicago; illinois; pension; reform
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Point of reference: The city's annual budget is $7 billion and Chicago Public Schools' is $5.6 billion. Even if every penny of those budgets went toward pensions, that wouldn't be enough to fully fund the systems until the middle of year three.

They're gonna need more loot.

1 posted on 12/8/2013, 1:35:40 PM by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Just raised State income taxes 60% (temporarily).


2 posted on 12/8/2013, 1:39:57 PM by traderrob6
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To: Libloather

Makes me want to move to city. Liberals, illegals, minorities, trash, crime, and debt ... mmm, mmm, mmm Obama.


3 posted on 12/8/2013, 1:42:00 PM by ConservativeInPA (We need to fundamentally transform RATs lives for their lies.)
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To: Libloather

I’m sure that they are desperately trying to come up with a ‘legal’ way of making all of the state’s residents join just ‘one’ one-size-fits-all pension plan.

Oh yeah by the way people; we are going to roll your existing pension plan, IRA’s 401k’s, etc. in it to show your commitment for a fully funded pension plan for ‘all’ Illini.

I can see that this is not going to end well at all for Illinois residents, not well at all.


4 posted on 12/8/2013, 1:47:23 PM by The Working Man
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To: Libloather

This is what Obama’s brought to the national level, Cook County economics. Ill-Annoy is a giant pirate ship with the slaves below deck.


5 posted on 12/8/2013, 1:49:17 PM by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Libloather

“They’re gonna need more loot.”

Yup. And in the big picture do you know where they’re gonna get it?

Hint: If you like your 401(k), you can keep your 401(K). Period.


6 posted on 12/8/2013, 1:54:08 PM by RKBA Democrat ( There is no worst president but owebama, and valerie jarrett is his prophet.)
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To: ConservativeInPA
Makes me want to move to city. Liberals, illegals, minorities, trash, crime, and debt ... mmm, mmm, mmm Obama.

Gun control, high taxes, crowding. Yep - sounds like paradise.

7 posted on 12/8/2013, 1:56:36 PM by Hardastarboard (Temporary tag line - RIP Paul Walker)
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Gun control ...

Call me jaded, but there isn't much gun control in Chicago. Shootings across city kill 1, injury 7. I knew I could google a story on a lack of gun control before I wrote this post. These city yuts have no idea how to handle a gun. I guess they are too busy with school work to get to enough range time to be accurate. I only wished they would kill each other off.

8 posted on 12/8/2013, 2:05:52 PM by ConservativeInPA (We need to fundamentally transform RATs lives for their lies.)
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To: 1010RD
Ill-Annoy is a giant pirate ship with the slaves below deck.

That's great!
9 posted on 12/8/2013, 2:39:09 PM by 867V309 (Obama- he's just crazy enough to do it.)
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To: traderrob6

It was 67%, and there’ll be nothing “temporary” about it.


10 posted on 12/8/2013, 2:48:06 PM by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Libloather

I think cities need to be treated like the Post Office. Force them to put money aside for pensions that were promised for current workers and retirees. They need to end pensions for anyone starting in any government job starting tomorrow but they need to fulfill the promises made on the pensions that were promised. The city spent all the funds that were given by the employers for their pensions on other things. Huge arrests should be made by those that spent those funds.


11 posted on 12/8/2013, 2:51:09 PM by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: Libloather
They have run out of other people's money.

This is where we are as a country now that Obama has saddled the US with unsustainable debt.

12 posted on 12/8/2013, 2:51:57 PM by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse.)
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To: ConservativeInPA
Chicago had a complete handgun ban dating back to somewhere in the mid 1980's. That handgun ban was recently (in the last 12 months...) over-turned due to a Court ruling that Illinois had to allow conceal-carry in the state.

The Illinois State Legislature after much feet dragging and attempts to "run out the clock" on the court order finally passed a STATE-WIDE law which effectively eliminated Chicago's handgun ban.

The new law requires a "training class" and payment of a fee in order to be given a conceal-carry license.

The "implementation" of the law has been pending development of course requirements and certification of training instructors by the Illinois State police.

Applicants will have to prove they completed the course, submit to a background check before getting their conceal/carry license.

Now about Chicago's murder rate: TWO Neighborhoods in Chicago are responsible for 95% of the murders in Chicago. Many of those murders are gang on gang crimes although these hoodlums just spray their bullets all over the place and end up killing innocent kids, etc..

13 posted on 12/8/2013, 2:53:26 PM by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Libloather

These numbers are for all practical purposes unmanageable, Default will occur,as will riots, shootings, and ultimately Detroitsville. 2.0


14 posted on 12/8/2013, 3:03:21 PM by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: usconservative

They “said” it was only temporary. I was being sarcastic.


15 posted on 12/8/2013, 3:09:33 PM by traderrob6
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To: The Working Man

How did they get away with pension reforms for the State of IL except Chicago? Since most large cities are heavily Democrat compared to rural areas in all States, is this the new normal?


16 posted on 12/8/2013, 3:17:25 PM by Rusty0604
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To: ConservativeInPA

You are of course completely correct. Gun control is only for the poor middle class fools that actually obey the law. The elites can all get and carry guns, with a wink and a nod from our rulers. The gang bangers don’t care about the law.


17 posted on 12/8/2013, 3:26:17 PM by Hardastarboard (Temporary tag line - RIP Paul Walker)
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To: Libloather

Why should the people bail these pensions out? If the crooks hadn’t of stolen them in the first place.


18 posted on 12/8/2013, 3:43:31 PM by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: traderrob6
Quotes work better than parenthesis for expressing sarcasm, fyi. Parenthesis indicate (additional information here.)

So one of the headlines I read in the Chicago Tribune this morning (after reading and responding to your post) said "Surprise! Temporary Income Tax Hike May Be Permanent."

I think we all knew when they said "temporary" two years ago it was going to become permanent. Still, we shouldn't be letting the crooked theiving bastards off the hook .... 2014's an election year for the Illinois State Legislature and the crook Pat Quinn.

19 posted on 12/8/2013, 3:49:27 PM by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Rusty0604
How did they get away with pension reforms for the State of IL except Chicago?

The alleged "pension reform" they passed was for State Employees.

Chicago has to address it's CITY employees on its own.

There's much debate as to whether or not the State Pension Reform just passed by the IL legislature and signed by the crooked Pat Quinn will withstand a court challenge as to it's Constitutionality here in IL.

All I know is this: If Mike Madigan, John Cullerton, Christine Radogno and Pat Quinn are happy with what they passed, then the rest of us sorry bastards that live in this state better hold onto our wallets. You just know it's not gonna be good for the taxpayer.

20 posted on 12/8/2013, 3:53:17 PM by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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