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Satanists plan statue to stand alongside Ten Commandments in Oklahoma
theguardian.com ^ | December 8, 2013

Posted on 12/08/2013 2:39:10 PM PST by ilovesarah2012

In their zeal to tout their faith in the public square, conservatives in Oklahoma may have unwittingly opened the door to a wide range of religious groups, including Satanists who are seeking to put their own statue next to a Ten Commandments monument outside the statehouse.

The Republican-controlled legislature in the state known as the buckle of the Bible Belt authorised the privately funded Ten Commandments monument in 2009. It was placed on the Capitol grounds last year despite criticism from legal experts, who questioned its constitutionality. The Oklahoma chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union has filed a lawsuit seeking its removal.

But the New York-based Satanic Temple saw an opportunity. It notified the state's Capitol Preservation Commission that it wants to donate a monument and plans to submit one of several possible designs this month, said Lucien Greaves, a spokesman for the temple.

"We believe that all monuments should be in good taste and consistent with community standards," Greaves wrote in letter to state officials. "Our proposed monument, as an homage to the historic/literary Satan, will certainly abide by these guidelines."

Greaves said one potential design involves a pentagram, a satanic symbol, while another is meant to be an interactive display for children. He said he expects the monument, if approved by Oklahoma officials, would cost about $20,000.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: christianity; oklahoma; satanists
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Something tells me it wouldn't last long.
1 posted on 12/08/2013 2:39:10 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

If they acknowledge Satan then they know there is a G-d.


2 posted on 12/08/2013 2:40:18 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

A new rifle taget, eh!


3 posted on 12/08/2013 2:40:55 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: ilovesarah2012

I’m surprised they don’t do like the millions of liberal “Christian” liberals who follow of Satan.

Infiltrate churches and attack God’s people from within.


4 posted on 12/08/2013 2:41:38 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

And will the ACLU bring suit against them too?


5 posted on 12/08/2013 2:42:15 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: SandRat

“A new rifle taget, eh!”

Their statue should also be targeted!


6 posted on 12/08/2013 2:42:35 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

There is no equivalence between good and evil. One is good, and one is evil. I guess that’s too complicated for liberals to grasp.


7 posted on 12/08/2013 2:42:59 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: ilovesarah2012

So it will be a statue of the qu’uran?


8 posted on 12/08/2013 2:44:00 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

The ACLU are not “legal experts.” They are experts at bullying, Christian bashing, and tantrums until they get their way. But legal experts? No way.


9 posted on 12/08/2013 2:44:08 PM PST by armydawg505
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To: ilovesarah2012

Without our idiotic anti-discrimination laws, and our idiotic labor laws crap like this would never happen. 50 years ago someone wanting to put up a satanic statue anywhere public would be fired from his job, refused service in his community, and generally shunned until he stopped his behavior. Now every one of those remedies is legally actionable.


10 posted on 12/08/2013 2:45:20 PM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: ilovesarah2012

How nice, a reminder to people of the choice.


11 posted on 12/08/2013 2:47:38 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Why would they put up a statue?

The reasonable thing to do, if the Ten Commandments are already there, is put up stone tablets saying:

I There is no god.

II Perjure yourself.

III Do what you like on Sundays.

IV Put your father and mother, father and father, or mother and mother in a home.

V Murder.

VI Commit adultery, fornication, sodomy, etc.

VII Steal.

VIII Lie.

IX Covet your neighbor’s wife, your neighbor’s husband, and your neighbor.

X Covet your neighbor’s stuff.


12 posted on 12/08/2013 2:49:33 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: BykrBayb
There is no equivalence between good and evil. One is good, and one is evil. I guess that’s too complicated for liberals to grasp.

Who decides which is which?

Should there be a government commission to decide which religions should be allowed to be publicly celebrated?

13 posted on 12/08/2013 2:50:52 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Visions of the Saddam statue come to mind.


14 posted on 12/08/2013 2:53:56 PM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

An Obama statue?


15 posted on 12/08/2013 2:54:42 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: tet68
And will the ACLU bring suit against them too?

From the article:

Brady Henderson, the legal director for ACLU Oklahoma, said if state officials allow one type of religious expression, they must allow alternative forms of expression, although he said a better solution might be to allow none at all on state property.

We would prefer to see Oklahoma's government officials work to faithfully serve our communities and improve the lives of Oklahomans instead of erecting granite monuments to show us all how righteous they are," Henderson said. "But if the Ten Commandments, with its overtly Christian message, is allowed to stay at the Capitol, the Satanic Temple's proposed monument cannot be rejected because of its different religious viewpoint."

16 posted on 12/08/2013 2:55:50 PM PST by Robwin
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Guess it IS too complicated for some to distinguish which is good and which is evil - God or Satan.


17 posted on 12/08/2013 2:56:19 PM PST by abclily
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To: ilovesarah2012

No, it’s very possible that it won’t.


18 posted on 12/08/2013 2:58:51 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
“A new rifle taget, eh!”

Their statue should also be targeted!

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

19 posted on 12/08/2013 3:00:26 PM PST by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: BykrBayb

Let me simplify it for Liberals....

Satanists are against the 10 commandments.

So they are for

Adultery
Murder
Theft
Bearing false witness
Coveting thy neighbors wife and possessions.
etc.
etc.

Seems like some really bad folks. Maybe the police should keep an eye on them.


20 posted on 12/08/2013 3:06:57 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: Arthur McGowan

Isn’t that the democratic party platform?


21 posted on 12/08/2013 3:08:30 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: RightOnTheBorder

I read a lot of the comments following the article. I was shocked at how many people seem to prefer satan over God.

Jesus, come quickly!


22 posted on 12/08/2013 3:09:37 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: freedumb2003
So it will be a statue of the qu’uran?

The highest office of law in this nation, the Supreme Court, already has that covered, nearly a century ago:

Courtroom friezes: The South Wall Frieze includes figures of lawgivers from the ancient world and includes Menes, Hammurabi, Moses, Solomon, Lycurgus, Solon, Draco, Confucius, and Augustus. The North Wall Frieze shows lawgivers from the Middle Ages on and includes representations of Justinian, Muhammad, Charlemagne, John of England, Louis IX of France, Hugo Grotius, Sir William Blackstone, John Marshall, and Napoleon. The Moses frieze depicts him holding the Ten Commandments, although only commandments six through ten, usually considered the more secular commands, are visible. Further, Moses' beard obscures some of the words so that instead of reading "Thou Shalt Not Steal", it says "Steal", and similarly appears to command viewers to kill and commit adultery.

In 1997, the Council on American-Islamic Relations asked for the image of Muhammad to be removed from the marble frieze of the façade. While appreciating the fact that Muhammad was included in the court's pantheon of 18 prominent lawgivers of history, CAIR noted that Islam discourages depictions of Muhammad in any artistic representation. CAIR also objected that the prophet was shown with a sword, reinforcing long-held stereotypes of Muslims as intolerant conquerors. Chief Justice William Rehnquist rejected the request to sandblast Muhammad, saying the artwork "was intended only to recognize him, among many other lawgivers, as an important figure in the history of law; it is not intended as a form of idol worship". The court later added a footnote to tourist materials, calling it a "a well-intentioned attempt by the sculptor to honor Muhammad".

23 posted on 12/08/2013 3:13:21 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Hmmm.

1 Samuel 5 comes to mind, and this statue should share the same fate:

Footnotes (a-z)Cross references (#)One verse per line
The Ark in Ashdod and Ekron
1 After the Philistines had captured the ark of God, they took it from Ebenezer to Ashdod. 2 Then they carried the ark into Dagon’s temple and set it beside Dagon.

3 When the people of Ashdod rose early the next day, there was Dagon, fallen on his face on the ground before the ark of the LORD! They took Dagon and put him back in his place.

4 But the following morning when they rose, there was Dagon, fallen on his face on the ground before the ark of the LORD! His head and hands had been broken off and were lying on the threshold; only his body remained. 5 That is why to this day neither the priests of Dagon nor any others who enter Dagon’s temple at Ashdod step on the threshold. 6 The LORD’s hand was heavy upon the people of Ashdod and its vicinity; he brought devastation upon them and afflicted them with tumors.

7 When the men of Ashdod saw what was happening, they said, “The ark of the god of Israel must not stay here with us, because his hand is heavy upon us and upon Dagon our god.” 8 So they called together all the rulers of the Philistines and asked them, “What shall we do with the ark of the god of Israel?” They answered, “Have the ark of the god of Israel moved to Gath.” So they moved the ark of the God of Israel.

9 But after they had moved it, the LORD’s hand was against that city, throwing it into a great panic. He afflicted the people of the city, both young and old, with an outbreak of tumors. 10 So they sent the ark of God to Ekron. As the ark of God was entering Ekron, the people of Ekron cried out, “They have brought the ark of the god of Israel around to us to kill us and our people.”

11 So they called together all the rulers of the Philistines and said, “Send the ark of the god of Israel away; let it go back to its own place, or it will kill us and our people.” For death had filled the city with panic; God’s hand was very heavy upon it.

12 Those who did not die were afflicted with tumors, and the outcry of the city went up to heaven.


24 posted on 12/08/2013 3:15:00 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: ilovesarah2012

A statue of King FUBO?


25 posted on 12/08/2013 3:15:23 PM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: exit82

I had forgotten about that. Thanks for the reminder.


26 posted on 12/08/2013 3:18:45 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks ilovesarah2012.

Dear Christians, We Hate You. Sincerely, Atheists
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3099611/posts


27 posted on 12/08/2013 3:22:16 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Let God strike it with a thunderbolt. Might make a believer out of them. No sense wasting time arguing with fools. A moron can see what their game is.


28 posted on 12/08/2013 3:26:29 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Arthur McGowan

Exactly. It is certainly their right to do it but I would be worried about them.

Anyone advocating murder should be of a concern.


29 posted on 12/08/2013 3:31:44 PM PST by dhs12345
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Seems like some really bad folks. Maybe the police should keep an eye on them.

It's not hard to find them. They are called "politicians"...

30 posted on 12/08/2013 3:32:26 PM PST by Gritty (The emperor has hipster garb, but underneath he’s just another Commissar Squaresville - Mark Steyn)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Is there a difference between satan and mohammed.


31 posted on 12/08/2013 3:32:31 PM PST by Venturer (Half Staff the Flag of the US for Terrorists.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

The local high school goths will steal after the first night.


32 posted on 12/08/2013 3:34:18 PM PST by windcliff
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To: Venturer

Not that I can tell.


33 posted on 12/08/2013 3:35:33 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Arthur McGowan

Or the condensed version, “Do What Thou Wilt, Shall be the whole of the Law.”


34 posted on 12/08/2013 3:37:02 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: ilovesarah2012

> I read a lot of the comments following the article. I was shocked at how many people seem to prefer satan over God.

Jesus, come quickly!

Just simply parroting what others say. They say this as spoiled, coddled children that have never really endured any hardships which are on their way. Once they have had to endure the brutal reality of living without love under Satan and hardships their eyes will be opened and they will understand the stupidity that rolled off their tongues earlier.


35 posted on 12/08/2013 3:37:10 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: ilovesarah2012

Not in Oklahoma. In fact...it makes me chuckle thinking about it.


36 posted on 12/08/2013 3:40:51 PM PST by berdie
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To: ilovesarah2012

Yes.


37 posted on 12/08/2013 3:42:30 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Gritty

LOL!


38 posted on 12/08/2013 3:45:48 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Yeah, like I said, it’s too complicated for liberals. I was able to teach my son the difference between good and evil, but I don’t know how to teach it to a stranger over the Internet.


39 posted on 12/08/2013 3:46:46 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

“Who decides which is which?”

The one with an excess of more than five brain cells. Go away Lurch


40 posted on 12/08/2013 3:49:40 PM PST by Insigne123 (It is the soldier, not the community organizer, who gives us freedom of the press)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Satanists plan statue to stand behind Ten Commandments in Oklahoma

“Get thee behind Me, Satan!”


41 posted on 12/08/2013 3:51:20 PM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: ilovesarah2012

Another one of those situations where all I need to say is: see the tag line.


42 posted on 12/08/2013 3:53:59 PM PST by NurdlyPeon (It is the nature of liberals to pervert whatever they touch.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Talk about strange bedfellows. I wonder what *those* children will look like.


43 posted on 12/08/2013 3:54:13 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: James C. Bennett

“CAIR also objected that the prophet was shown with a sword, reinforcing long-held stereotypes of Muslims as intolerant conquerors”

And your point is, CAIR?


44 posted on 12/08/2013 3:57:57 PM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: ilovesarah2012

45 posted on 12/08/2013 3:58:21 PM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: elcid1970

LOL


46 posted on 12/08/2013 3:58:25 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

The devil you say?


47 posted on 12/08/2013 3:59:22 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: SkyDancer

Dunno if they will know anything about a G-d but they sure will know there is a GOD.


48 posted on 12/08/2013 4:00:21 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: SkyDancer
If they acknowledge Satan then they know there is a G-d.

I think you're confusing Satanists with athiests. Satanists recognize a divine being, they're just 180 degrees off in their beliefs.

49 posted on 12/08/2013 4:01:07 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: freedumb2003
So it will be a statue of the qu’uran?

No, but what if the Muslims demand space for a monument as well? Can the legislature turn them down without leaving the 10 Commandment monument open for challenge?

50 posted on 12/08/2013 4:02:55 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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