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Why, after Mandela, many Afrikaners fear a Boer bloodbath
channel4.com ^ | December 09, 2013 | Jonathan Miller

Posted on 12/09/2013 2:01:02 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Lettie Nel’s face told a story. She’d been repeatedly pistol-whiped with a Magnum revolver, then punched in the face and then hit over the back of the head as she lay on her floor, wrists tightly bound by electrical cable. You can pick out the individual finger and knuckle marks in the photographs on the old lady’s cheeks.

Lettie Nel is an 86-years-old widow who lives alone on the 1,800 hectare family cattle farm she still manages – with the help of a few local farm hands. She was attacked in her own home early on Tuesday 11 November, when intruders burst in as she powered off her eight-foot-high electric perimiter fence.

“They threw me down on the ground and they tried to pull my pants down and I started screaming and the next thing, they took out their knife and put it next to my throat,” she told me. “When I screamed, the one hit me on my face and they hit me with a revolver on my head.

“They told me they were going to kill me. I was sure it was going to happen. I knew they would do it because they would do it with other people without any reason whatever.”

“They” certainly have. Across South Africa, more than 10 farms are attacked every week. Afrikaner farmers are being killed at four times the national murder rate - which is already one of the highest in the world. Over the two decades since Nelson Mandela was elected this country’s first black preseident, around 3,500 have been killed. On the very day he died, an 84-year-old Afrikaner woman was murdered in her own home, held down and drowned in her bath.

He can’t control the people any more’

Now that Nelson Mandela’s dead too, many Afrikaners fear a Boer bloodbath.

I asked Lettie Nel whether she felt less safe since his passing. “Definitely,” she said. ”He had contol over the whole country,” she explained, “and people respected him. And now he’s not there, he can’t contol the people any more.”

About a million whites are said to have upped and left South Africa for good over the past two decades, many believing the country was going to the dogs. About 4.5 million remain, just over half of them Afrikaners.

Today, they feel about as unloved and vulnerable as their voortrekker ancestors must have done in the mid-19th century. At the vast monument to the voortrekker “heroes” built with black labour by the apartheid regime just outside Pretoria, I met a man who believes farm attacks are an orchestrated, racially motivated attempt to drive whites from the land.

Like many Afrikaners I’ve talked to, Willie Cloete uses terms like “genocide” and “extinction” - but offers no evidence at all that there are any dastardly plans afoot to dispatch the Boers. Last weekend Mr Cloete set up a new party, the Front Nationaal, which already claims 66,000 members. They want to address Afrikaner concerns constitutionally and get MPs into parliament.

The FN’s manifesto is predicated on apartheid of a new-old variety: they want to establish a separate Boer republic so they can live in peace. “Would black people be allowed to live there?” I asked. “They’d be welcome,” he said. “We are not racists.”

Isolated farmsteads

But the fears articulated by Afrikaner conservatives are not borne out by the facts. Independent studies have concluded that 90 per cent of attacks on white farms are just robberies.

Dr Johan Burger, of Pretoria’s Institute of Security Studies, is South Africa’s former commissioner of police. An Afrikaner himself, he disparages any notion that racism underpins the attacks on white farms. Isolated farmsteads are soft targets and offer rich pickings for thieves, he says, and because the vast majority of South Africa’s 32,000 commercial farmers are white, that’s why they’re the victims.

He says that when you delve deeper, it turns out that most of the victims of violence and rape are actually the black farm workers themselves.

“People are murdered and families destroyed,” Dr Burger says. “A lot of emotions are invoked and this creates the opportunity for those who wish to project for political purposes.”

Resentment runs deep

Among those accused of the sort of incendiary rhetoric which fuels the perception that the Afrikaners are under attack is Julius Malema, a firebrand populist politician who was expelled from the ruling African National Congress. Today, his Economic Freedom Fighters advocate the sorts of land repossession, redistribution and nationalisation policies advocated by his self-proclaimed hero, Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe.

One of his policy strategists is the radical writer Andile Mngxitama, who says resentment of rich whites runs deep among those who believe they’re entitled to reclaim what was stolen from them in the first place. He laughs when I tell him that Afrikaners fear genocide.

“There has been genocide and violence against black people, created by white people,” he says. ”South Africa was created on blood, mass murder, and dispossesion of farms or of mines.

“You are going to have to go back to the original programme: land redistribution, nationalisation of the mineral resources, democratisation of the economy. You have to take from white people to distribute to the black majority.”

I said he sounded like Robert Mugabe.

“Absolutely,” he said. “Robert Mugabe is a great example of what you must do, with some lessons of course.

With South Africa’s Great Reconciliator, Nelson Mandela, now gone, there are those who say the honeymoon’s over for South Africa’s Afrikaners. Today racial fault-lines lie exposed again, but the spectre of a Mugabe-style future is actually the stuff of both black and white nightmares.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: africa; nelsonmandela; southafrica

1 posted on 12/09/2013 2:01:02 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

2 posted on 12/09/2013 2:04:03 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Of the 4 wars in my lifetime none came about because the US was too strong." Reagan)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I know someone who married a guy working in the Caymans. He had settled there years ago because he said “whites have no future in SA.”


3 posted on 12/09/2013 2:05:19 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Tailgunner Joe

If you are outnumbered ten to one, and the majority wants you dead, why are you hanging around to be killed. Sell everything and leave. The Jews in Europe ignored the signs and they died. If whites in South Africa sense the anger and impending holocaust, wake up and leave. Believe it or not Mozambique wants whites to manage their farms and agriculture.


4 posted on 12/09/2013 2:06:31 PM PST by Fee
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Afrikaners, does the name “Custer” mean anything to you?


5 posted on 12/09/2013 2:07:30 PM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

They also feared it before and during Mandela


6 posted on 12/09/2013 2:08:35 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

If there is a bloodbath, then that is part of Mandela’s legacy too. His job, frankly, was to create a situation where this sort of thing simply isn’t possible.


7 posted on 12/09/2013 2:11:29 PM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Afrikaners, get out now.

Come to the US. We could use your talents and civilized behavior here.


8 posted on 12/09/2013 2:13:01 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededicaton to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution...)
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To: JoeDetweiler

Memphis, Philly, Newark, Baltimore, Camden. Kinda shared feeling.


9 posted on 12/09/2013 2:16:21 PM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

One of my former employees is married to a guy from from SA, and his wealthy family is still there in a heavily protected and guarded 5,000ac estate. They are wealthy and well-armed and protected. He’s been trying to get his family to move asap, but they refuse to leave their ancestral homeland.

The horror stories he told me are blood curdling. Why all 5.5 million White Boers haven’t left is a mystery to me, but he says they still “feel secure”. I wouldn’t bet the ranch on it, now.


10 posted on 12/09/2013 2:18:15 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: GeronL

And it happened:

https://www.google.com/search?q=genocide+south+africa&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=lUCiUseaNsflkAf21IDQBA&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=671&bih=295#imgdii=_


11 posted on 12/09/2013 2:20:03 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: 3Fingas
Come to the US. We could use your talents and civilized behavior here.

Think Obama's going to let more than a bare minimum quota come in?

12 posted on 12/09/2013 2:21:47 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: carriage_hill

bump


13 posted on 12/09/2013 2:22:32 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

And to think there were no blacks in SA when the Portuguese discovered it. Only a few Bushmen and Hottentots.

Then in the early 1800s Shaka began to send his impis south driving the tribes out and into SA.

Now they have taken over.
My bet is in 100 years the major language spoken in SA will be...Chinese.

Then there is the Rio Grande here...


14 posted on 12/09/2013 2:24:21 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Time to Lager, or as we say in the US, CIRCLE THE WAGONS!

It’s going to be bad.


15 posted on 12/09/2013 2:26:28 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
And to think there were no blacks in SA when the Portuguese discovered it.

so its a bit like the Palestinians

16 posted on 12/09/2013 2:27:48 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Get out or circle the wagons. It ain’t going to be pretty.


17 posted on 12/09/2013 2:28:41 PM PST by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: PowderMonkey

***Afrikaners, does the name “Custer” mean anything to you?***

Think Isandwana. Or the movie Zulu Dawn.


18 posted on 12/09/2013 2:29:51 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
So is this what our country can look forward to when, (if) Obama leaves office? With the new powers the Senate has, then when O gets to stack SCOTUS with his left wing friends, and with his "executive orders" yet to come our country is finished as the republic the founders entrusted to us.

Our only hope is the 4 million conservatives who did not vote against him (and so voted FOR him) will join with other conservatives to completely turn this government over.

Now to all those voters who voted in the last election as though it was a "High School most popular" contest you need to chose our country instead of your own childish games. From this point on, it is time vote to be sure all elections go to a conservative candidate.

That is NOT the candidate of your purist vision of the right, it is the candidates that are NOT the LEFT. So vote for the most NON left person running in any election. You can not wait for your silly ideal of a conservative, right now it is just to get the "other than a left winger" elected.

The left does not want what our founders left us. We must fact facts that we must now understand that the entire Democratic party is comprised of those who espouse the teachings and belief of only the opposite of what the founders left us.

And we need to reclaim what the founders left in our care.
19 posted on 12/09/2013 2:32:03 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? Dem's did and voted!)
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To: carriage_hill
but they refuse to leave their ancestral homeland

It is their ancestral homeland along with the Bushmen who were there long before the POS black tribes even came near the place. The land that was originally SA was not populated by black tribes, at least south of the Limpopo and Orange rivers. Black tribes were allowed in from central africa by the English when they took control of SA, along with the genocidal incursions of various Zulu chiefs from the central parts of africa. They opened up a floodgate of tribal conflicts and brought in tribes who had no real claim to the area. That said, the old Boers should probably leave, alive. How about if we trade them 1:1 for parts of our population who believe that they are "african"; let them be real africans.

20 posted on 12/09/2013 2:32:19 PM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: JSteff
Our only hope is the 4 million conservatives who did not vote against him (and so voted FOR him) will join with other conservatives to completely turn this government over.

Not that crap again. If the candidate cannot attract their vote, it is the fault of the candidate. He/she is not entitled to those votes.

21 posted on 12/09/2013 2:33:28 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: JSteff

Unfortunately Romney was a LEFT person


22 posted on 12/09/2013 2:34:16 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: RJS1950

That’d be the best deal we’ve made as a country, in a long time.


23 posted on 12/09/2013 2:35:38 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: JSteff

Mr. Romneycare was a fudge packing, Constitution hating, leftard. So is New Jersey’s gun grabbing, Bruce Springstein worshipping fatso.


24 posted on 12/09/2013 2:42:25 PM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Mr. Jeeves

You’re probably right about that.

Our current immigration policy only favors illegals with a 3rd grade education and h1b techies so our Silicon companies can pay them sub-standard wages.

The Australians have a much more intelligent immigration policy. The lucky Canadians have us as a buffer zone, so they usually get better educated immigrants also.


25 posted on 12/09/2013 2:43:10 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededicaton to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution...)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“But the fears articulated by Afrikaner conservatives are not borne out by the facts. Independent studies have concluded that 90 per cent of attacks on white farms are just robberies. “

How does the author of this piece not see the gross contradiction in what he is writing? If these are “just robberies”, why are the victims murdered??


26 posted on 12/09/2013 2:48:44 PM PST by Ironfocus
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To: JSteff

I have done my part. Others need to do theirs.

One thing would help for sure. If the rinos behaved more like Americans, I think they would get more support.

Most people realize that you do not get 100% agreement, but they do expect to get most of what they want and they want republicans to put America first. We have some core beliefs that these rino elitists have been disregarding.
Smaller, more frugal Federal Government
More power to the states and individuals
Less taxation
Strong defense
Strong border security
Pro guns
etc.

If the rinos don’t support these items, they will lose our support.


27 posted on 12/09/2013 2:51:19 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededicaton to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution...)
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To: Ironfocus

Raping and mutilating victims because you hate their skin color is not just robberies”.


28 posted on 12/09/2013 2:53:01 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededicaton to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution...)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The Boers should move here. Since they are African, when they come here they are African-American, and are entitled to a free job or welfare, free phone, free college, and the right to cry “hate crime” any time they want.

No, wait...


29 posted on 12/09/2013 3:08:15 PM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
“You are going to have to go back to the original programme: land redistribution, nationalisation of the mineral resources, democratisation of the economy. You have to take from white people to distribute to the black majority.”

I said he sounded like Robert Mugabe.

Hmmm. He sounds kind of like another politician we have closer to home.

30 posted on 12/09/2013 3:25:20 PM PST by Gritty (The emperor has hipster garb, but underneath he’s just another Commissar Squaresville - Mark Steyn)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is an utterly incoherent article. This is stated as fact by the author:

But the fears articulated by Afrikaner conservatives are not borne out by the facts. Independent studies have concluded that 90 per cent of attacks on white farms are just robberies.

The "expert" who says it's not genocide also says: "“People are murdered and families destroyed,”. . Destroying whole families is certainly a pretty good indicator that something like genocide is happening.

Genocide Watch the international organization that monitors conditions leading up to genocide, has South Africa on their watch list at level 5 "polarization". Level 6 is "preparation" and they were listed there until the high courts took actions against Julius Malema and the ANC removed him. But he is still a extremely popular leader, as the article points out.

So you have:

it is hard not to credit the fears the whites have.

To use the classic example, it sounds a lot like the period of the Nazi rise to power in Germany. The Jews were threatened, harassed and key political leaders demonized them, positioned them as different from other citizens, and made plans to suppress them. Those plans didn't end merely with the Nueremburg Laws (which addressed the "inequalities" in Germany that made many Jews relatively more wealthy and sought to "fix" them using various mechanisms such as exclusion from some fields).

It ended with them being put on railroad cars.

As I said, the author refutes his own assertions, and while saying "hey, it's just crime" actually makes a pretty good case that White South Africans need to be very concerned about their possible future genocide.

Here are the descriptions of Levels 5 and 6, the levels that precede Level 7 - Mass Killing, from Genocide Watch's 2012 Annual Report on Countries at Risk. (SA was moved down to level 5 from level 6 in late 2011) .

5. POLARIZATION: Extremists drive the groups apart. Hate groups broadcast polarizing propaganda. Laws may forbid intermarriage or social interaction. Extremist terrorism targets moderates, intimidating and silencing the center. Moderates from the perpetrators’ own group are most able to stop genocide, so are the first to be arrested and killed. Prevention may mean security protection for moderate leaders or assistance to human rights groups. Assets of extremists may be seized, and visas for international travel denied to them. Coups d’état by extremists should be opposed by international sanctions.

6. PREPARATION: Victims are identified and separated out because of their ethnic or religious identity. Death lists are drawn up. Members of victim groups are forced to wear identifying symbols. Their property is expropriated. They are often segregated into ghettoes, deported into concentration camps, or confined to a famine-struck region and starved. At this stage, a Genocide Emergency must be declared. If the political will of the great powers, regional alliances, or the U.N. Security Council can be mobilized, armed international intervention should be prepared, or heavy assistance provided to the victim group to prepare for its self-defense. Otherwise, at least humanitarian assistance should be offered.


31 posted on 12/09/2013 3:52:29 PM PST by Jack Black ( Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide.)
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To: 3Fingas

Actually many of them are here and they know how to work! Custom wheat harvesters that come through our area hire many SA. They work hard and care for the equipment. They should be welcomed with open arms. For anyone with property or money getting it out of SA is a problem I believe because they limit severely what can be taken out. We had contact with a family in the 1990’s and they raised their children and have a great life here. I am sure they miss family still there. I have to admire the courage of up and leaving a bad situation.


32 posted on 12/09/2013 4:05:24 PM PST by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I know 2 guys who own a car wash and they came here in about 1993. They told me that they had to live in houses with high walls around them and their wives were afraid to close their eyes in the shower for fear somebody would be breaking in the house. The white joke is that BMW means break my windows. Pretty sad.


33 posted on 12/09/2013 4:08:04 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I wonder what the leftie lib Cathy Buckle in Zimbabwe would have to say about Mandela’s death and the planned genocide on the Boers and other SA whites? Cathy has seen the Mugabe thuggery up close and personal. The post-Mandela era in SA promises to be very, very bad in comparison to Zimbabwe. [That is not a complement on Zimbabwe.]
34 posted on 12/09/2013 5:46:01 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I pray that the next US president allows these racial refugees to resettle in the US - like the Somalis.


35 posted on 12/09/2013 6:34:34 PM PST by Darteaus94025 (Can't have a Liberal without a Lie)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

The Wall Street Journal has a real estate section on weekends. A couple of weeks ago there was an article on some Johannesburg condos. Security was a very big feature, as you can well imagine. No amount of indoor amenities could convince me to relax and enjoy living there.


36 posted on 12/09/2013 7:11:16 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: outinyellowdogcountry

I know several that moved here and joined the military. Great people. I think most of the emigrants are going to Australia though. I hope more of them come here in the future.
Our gain, South Africa’s loss for sure.


37 posted on 12/10/2013 4:58:28 AM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededicaton to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution...)
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