Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

MD Anderson Among Top Hospitals Excluded From Obamacare Coverage [UPDATED]
BioNews--Texas ^ | 9 December 2013 | Mike Nace

Posted on 12/11/2013 10:45:04 AM PST by ShadowAce

Just recently, the University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center was announced as one of an elite group of six cancer research and treatment centers throughout the world who will participate in an ongoing collaborative effort to fast-track the advancement of cancer treatment development as part of a new GlaxoSmithKline initiative. It is just one in a series of many examples of how MD Anderson is the preeminent cancer research and treatment center in the United States, if not the world.

According to a new report in the Financial Times, new healthcare plans are being nudged by the statutes of the Affordable Care Act, otherwise known as Obamacare, so that they will exclude in-network coverage for patients to visit top cancer hospitals for advanced therapy — including MD Anderson — when the plans go into full effect next year.

Under the new healthcare plans, a cancer center like MD Anderson will not be included as part of the choices within patients’ covered networks. Instead, visiting MD Anderson for cancer treatment would be “out-of-network,” meaning that very little of the cost would be covered by insurance; most would come out of pocket.

According to the FT report, the shift by insurers to exclude coverage to top treatment centers has everything to do with the new statutes handed down by Obamacare, which seeks to balance costs through what critics see as rationing of care and limiting choices for patients:

“One of the biggest goals of ‘Obamacare’ was to make subsidized healthcare plans that are being sold on the new exchanges as affordable as possible, while also mandating that certain benefits, like maternity care, were covered and that people with pre-existing medical conditions could not be denied access.

Amid these new regulatory restrictions, says Tim Jost, a health policy expert, insurance companies have had to come up with new ways to cut the cost of their products. In this new era, limiting the availability of certain facilities that are seen as too expensive – in part because they may attract the sickest patients or offer the most cutting edge medical care – is seen as the best way to control costs.”

The Obama administration has moved aggressively to characterize this lack of coverage as the fault of insurance companies, and that Obamacare in an of itself has not dictated that top research and treatment centers explicitly be excluded from plans that conform to the law’s new rules, with an HHS spokesperson noting that, “Decisions about which private health insurance plans cover which doctors is a decision currently made by insurers and providers and will continue that way.”

Yet, industry experts explain that, because new Obamacare statues have constrained healthcare insurers’ ability to maintain profitability, the only recourse is to narrow healthcare networks to include only the most cost-effective providers. Because of this, top cancer centers like MD Anderson, whose healthcare prices billed to insurers — and ultimately patients — are higher due to its faculty of world-renowned researchers and medical practitioners, are too expensive to include in networks.

Supporters of Obamacare have sought to portray these research institutions’ price points less as a result of their excellence, and more because of institutional inefficiencies. However, Thomas Priselac, president and chief executive officer of Cedars-Sinai Health System in California, explained to the FT, “There is confusion between price and efficiency,” adding, “The major teaching and research hospitals are more expensive not because they are inefficient but because of what they do.”

Ronald DePinho, M.D

Ronald DePinho, M.D.

While Obamacare is already facing the prospect of the so-called “death spiral” in striking a balance in solvency with the risk of the healthy, young “invincible” generation rejecting the coverage, thus hyper-inflating healthcare costs for the rest of Americans, the risk of reducing revenues to research and treatment centers such as MD Anderson is that Americans could lose access to critically important specialized treatments, as well as experimental research that in necessary in continuing to advance new treatments and possibly cures for deadly diseases such as cancer.

Dr. Ronald DePinho, CEO of MD Anderson, offered what can now be seen as a prophetic set of comments on this issue back in May, when he said in a candid memo to the institution: “We can’t run the institution at an operating loss, especially at a time when the health care field faces external challenges from implementation of the Affordable Care Act, the budget sequester and continuing federal deficits. If we don’t make changes now, we potentially will find ourselves in a crisis that will force us to take drastic measures that could hurt our ability to meet our mission.”

If this was Dr. DePinho’s position in May, certainly it has sharpened in the months since the rollout of Obamacare.

[UPDATE 12/9/2013 1:15pm CST: An MD Anderson spokesperson issued the following statement to the press in response to the Financial Times article:

“All patients deserve access to top tier cancer care. MD Anderson and the nation's other top cancer centers play a key role in the fight against cancer, and particularly aggressive forms of the disease or rare cancers where expertise is limited to only a small number of facilities worldwide.

In addition, our country's leading cancer centers help bring down the cost of care for all patients by conducting research that leads to new and better treatments, better cancer fighting strategies and increased efficiencies that lead to cost savings. This knowledge is shared among all cancer care providers to benefit patients in the US and beyond our borders.

While every cancer  patient may not need to come to  MD Anderson, we believe both insurance providers and our health care system must work together to ensure patients have that option so that all of us have the best chance of beating cancer.” ]


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; cancer; jeffhead; mdanderson; medicine; obamacare; obamacarehospitals; rationedcare
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-68 next last

1 posted on 12/11/2013 10:45:04 AM PST by ShadowAce
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Admin Moderator
Please change the title to

MD Anderson Among Top Hospitals Excluded From Obamacare Coverage [UPDATED]

Thank you

2 posted on 12/11/2013 10:45:51 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ShadowAce

Death panel at work.


3 posted on 12/11/2013 10:50:28 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson
Death Panels with plausible deniability.

Very sickening

4 posted on 12/11/2013 10:51:43 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: ShadowAce

Sloan-Kettering in New York is another.

If you get good treatment, you may well survive for a long time. That costs money and enables you to cause trouble for the regime. This is not permitted, so you must die quickly and die broke.

That’s the Democrat healthcare plan. Period.


5 posted on 12/11/2013 10:51:45 AM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ShadowAce; Jeff Head

Jeff, FYI.


6 posted on 12/11/2013 10:53:11 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TBP

He always claimed he wanted to fundamentally change America. THis i part of it—remove America’s superior medical care from the world, and everyone is managed much easier.


7 posted on 12/11/2013 10:53:24 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: ShadowAce

Kathleen Sebelius told Sarah Murnahan’s mother when she begged for her little girl to be put on the adult lung transplant list “Some people live and some people die” that is the mind of a typical liberal..the more people that die the better for their cause


8 posted on 12/11/2013 10:53:49 AM PST by Sarah Barracuda
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: TBP

>> Sloan-Kettering in New York is another.

No doubt many within the walls of SK supported the a-hole.

Sloan-Kettering is a phenomenal hospital.


9 posted on 12/11/2013 10:56:15 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: ShadowAce
This hospital will accept ObamaCare....


10 posted on 12/11/2013 10:56:36 AM PST by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TBP

Don’t buy the insurance and instead use the huge cost the “insurance plans” would have cost to go to the hospitals of ones choice...the hospitals may very lower their costs for those who pay cash directly!


11 posted on 12/11/2013 11:00:28 AM PST by mdmathis6 (Secret Societies are like Sasquatch, you never catch one but they do leave footprints!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Sarah Barracuda

“There ain’t no time to wonder why, whoopee, we are all gonna die”. (Country Joe and the Fish at Woodstock singing about Viet Nam). This is what’s coming.

Had stage 4 this time 2 years ago. So far so good. Don’t hate
Insurance co.s or think Dr.s make too much money.

Why Americans are letting this destruction of our medical system go through is beyond me, totally.


12 posted on 12/11/2013 11:03:35 AM PST by deep trout
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: ShadowAce
All patients deserve access to top tier cancer care....

Not according to Dr Mengele's spawn, Ezekiel Emanuel. Cancer patients are expected the get the he77 out of the way; to hurry up and die already.

13 posted on 12/11/2013 11:04:45 AM PST by bkopto
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: deep trout
Why Americans are letting this destruction of our medical system go through is beyond me, totally.

The answer is found next to the answer to; why do many people b*tch & moan about paying 50 to 100 dollars a month on meds that are keeping them alive or allowing them a better life but have no problem shelling out $200 per month for that iphone...

14 posted on 12/11/2013 11:09:22 AM PST by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: ShadowAce

the largest non profit system that I work for just “lost” on the obamacare and is “excluded”.....of course the for profit hospital with a strike looming and who allows abortion will be right in there...


15 posted on 12/11/2013 11:11:24 AM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cherry

I feel for you. I’m kinda watching to see how MDA will be affected by this.


16 posted on 12/11/2013 11:15:16 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: ShadowAce

Liberal Holocaust made to look legal instead of using camps, ya think?


17 posted on 12/11/2013 11:39:29 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: ExTexasRedhead

Probably. Forget the camps—kill ‘em where they are.


18 posted on 12/11/2013 11:49:04 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: ShadowAce

'Stone Henge' in Georgia

19 posted on 12/11/2013 11:50:12 AM PST by CivilWarBrewing
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jeff Head

What’s up wit dat?


20 posted on 12/11/2013 11:52:44 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mdmathis6

That’s kind of how it works in Germany. They put you to the front of the line when you pay cash and it is not expensive.


21 posted on 12/11/2013 12:10:24 PM PST by gr8eman (How ya doin Bob?...Bitchen)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: dfwgator

Idiocracy was very prophetic wasn’t it???


22 posted on 12/11/2013 12:22:17 PM PST by Farnsworth (Now playing in America: "Stupid is the new normal")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Farnsworth

yes it was, the left is using it as their inspiration


23 posted on 12/11/2013 12:29:30 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: ShadowAce

I don’t know about the truth of this.

Wife thrown out of Texas risk pool because it closed, and Humana tells her that she will be covered for her MDA costs under a Humana Gold PPO Obamacare plan.

Price went from $536/mo to $776/mo.


24 posted on 12/11/2013 12:34:01 PM PST by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dfwgator
Your new primary care physician:


25 posted on 12/11/2013 12:43:50 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: deep trout

Why are Americans allowing this destructio of oir medical sydtem?
Probably because thay had no idea of whst they were buying. Maybe becsuse they are to busy, to stupid, or for socialism. We know this has always been about our inallienable rights, control, and the slow march to dictorial socialist government.
MD Anderson saved the life of my youngest daughter. Rescued and birthed the child she was carrying, a girl named Fayth, and taught me just how special life’s challeges can be. My access to my home town cancer center will not be changed because my Cadilac plan covers this hospital. Others though will not be this fortunate.
If not stopped we will have a true two teired medical system


26 posted on 12/11/2013 1:15:46 PM PST by WilliamRobert (Rafael Cruz is an American hero)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: WilliamRobert

We need to make these bass turds pay for generations for the suffering impossed on the American citizens


27 posted on 12/11/2013 1:19:48 PM PST by WilliamRobert (Rafael Cruz is an American hero)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: ShadowAce

How to opt out of obamacare:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3100790/posts


28 posted on 12/11/2013 2:21:30 PM PST by RKBA Democrat ( There is no worst president but owebama, and valerie jarrett is his prophet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: WilliamRobert

Communism is legitimized mass-murder. Either you overthrow it or it will overthrow you.


29 posted on 12/11/2013 2:30:42 PM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: CivilWarBrewing

Leftist luddites always looking for the “perpetual” motion machines, always looking for Utopia.


30 posted on 12/11/2013 3:04:02 PM PST by mdmathis6 (Secret Societies are like Sasquatch, you never catch one but they do leave footprints!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: ShadowAce
“We can’t run the institution at an operating loss..."

Obviously the good doctor hasn't been watching example set by the US government for the past eighty years.

Besides, with the Administration's new Five Year Plan, the quotas can and will be met. Shirkers, hooligans, and capitalist wreckers will soon find out differently if they continue to speak out otherwise...

31 posted on 12/11/2013 3:29:08 PM PST by Gritty (The emperor has hipster garb, but underneath he’s just another Commissar Squaresville - Mark Steyn)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ShadowAce
MD Anderson...along with hospitals in Boston and NYC are,in fact,the three finest cancer treatment/research centers in the world.I know,I was closely associated with the one in Boston for 20+ years.Although members of The Great Unwashed like us might be excluded from these centers Osama Obama & Pals,thankfully,will be welcome with open arms.
32 posted on 12/11/2013 3:42:03 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: deep trout

People are always complaining about how much doctors make and how much hospitals charge. They are SAVING LIVES, dammit! They deserve every penny they make. And it costs a fortune to run a state of the art hospital, they can’t give their freaking services away.


33 posted on 12/11/2013 4:42:46 PM PST by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: ShadowAce; Armen Hareyan; B4Ranch; BykrBayb; cajungirl; cookcounty; dadfly; duckbutt; Gabrial; ...
CANCER WARRIORS PING

This is a ping list for cancer survivors and caregivers to share information. If you would like your name added to or removed from this ping list, please tell us in the comments section at this link (click here).

(For the most updated list of names, click on the same link and scroll to the end of the comments.)

34 posted on 12/11/2013 7:24:21 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ShadowAce
They don't even try to hide it anymore:

New York Times: For Those At Deaths Door, A Case For Death Panels

35 posted on 12/11/2013 7:31:04 PM PST by Libertarian444
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: CivilWarBrewing

I heard about this thing but never was mentioned all those stupid elitist musings on it. Disgusting!


36 posted on 12/11/2013 7:46:32 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: deep trout
Why Americans are letting this destruction of our medical system go through is beyond me, totally.

The best medical care in the world and we're seeing it destroyed. Our Congress and Supreme Court is doing nothing. Why?

37 posted on 12/11/2013 7:52:21 PM PST by ladyjane
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: ShadowAce
Wow!!! IMHO, M D Anderson is the best in the world at what they do. Dealt with them up close and personal for about six months this year due to my 86 year old mom's Burkitt's Lymphoma. Nasty stuff; doubles in size every 24 hours. I'm convinced if the family had left her in the hands of the "local" oncologists she might not have been with us this Christmas. The local doc said MDA's treatment was too aggressive for someone of her age. Fact is, they can perform finely tuned aggressive treatment because they have the wherewithal to deal with the downside if it occurs.

The doctors and nurses at MDA are hardly inefficient. Describing them as true professionals does not do them justice. My mom and I actually sat and talked with one of the top lymphoma/myeloma doctors in the country, and maybe the world, for almost an hour and a half one day with only brief interruptions. I was simply amazed at the level of commitment and expertise shown by everyone, from the department head to the cleaning and food service people I came into contact with.

The downside of places like MDA? They're huge!!! Just the lymphoma/myeloma wing would dwarf many full sized hospitals in most major cities I suspect. Bring walking shoes! And jug ears wants to exclude them from the party. With people going there from all over the country and around the world, I think somehow they'll survive. I pray they do...

38 posted on 12/11/2013 11:24:45 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (What part of "Fundamentally transforming the United States of America" don't the LIV understand?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: ShadowAce
Wow!!! IMHO, M D Anderson is the best in the world at what they do. Dealt with them up close and personal for about six months this year due to my 86 year old mom's Burkitt's Lymphoma. Nasty stuff; doubles in size every 24 hours. I'm convinced if the family had left her in the hands of the "local" oncologists she might not have been with us this Christmas. The local doc said MDA's treatment was too aggressive for someone of her age. Fact is, they can perform finely tuned aggressive treatment because they have the wherewithal to deal with the downside if it occurs.

The doctors and nurses at MDA are hardly inefficient. Describing them as true professionals does not do them justice. My mom and I actually sat and talked with one of the top lymphoma/myeloma doctors in the country, and maybe the world, for almost an hour and a half one day with only brief interruptions. I was simply amazed at the level of commitment and expertise shown by everyone, from the department head to the cleaning and food service people I came into contact with.

The downside of places like MDA? They're huge!!! Just the lymphoma/myeloma wing would dwarf many full sized hospitals in most major cities I suspect. Bring walking shoes! And jug ears wants to exclude them from the party. With people going there from all over the country and around the world, I think somehow they'll survive. I pray they do...

39 posted on 12/11/2013 11:27:10 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (What part of "Fundamentally transforming the United States of America" don't the LIV understand?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: ShadowAce
A significant portion on MDA revenue comes from overseas patients that come over here and pay cash. I think this will increase.

Also, many of the large insurers have firmly negotiated rates with MDA because MDA is the 800 pound gorilla of cancer treatment, and all the major insurers almost have to deal them or they are missing a big piece of the market.

What this really means is that people that are dumb enough to sign up for an Obamacare plan will not have access to MDA.

They will be relegated to use less qualified facilities that the government deems suitable for their use. And, more of them will die if they ever get cancer.

40 posted on 12/12/2013 6:27:42 AM PST by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ShadowAce
A significant portion on MDA revenue comes from overseas patients that come over here and pay cash. I think this will increase.

Also, many of the large insurers have firmly negotiated rates with MDA because MDA is the 800 pound gorilla of cancer treatment, and all the major insurers almost have to deal them or they are missing a big piece of the market.

What this really means is that people that are dumb enough to sign up for an Obamacare plan will not have access to MDA.

They will be relegated to use less qualified facilities that the government deems suitable for their use. And, more of them will die if they ever get cancer.

41 posted on 12/12/2013 6:27:42 AM PST by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ShadowAce; exit82; Albion Wilde; Jim Robinson; Noumenon; joanie-f; Dukie; Squantos; JohnHuang2; ...
I have spent many months at MD Anderson in Houston. They saved my life, and my insurance covered it. I paid my max out of pocket, and then several tens of thousands more so we could live down there for so long and keep our house, and to get the various devices and material that was not covered...and rained a good deal of my retirement in the process.

I have seen thousands of people who are helped to stay alive longer and enjoy it far better than otherwise possible by this great institution and the Dr.s there and their chief practitioners, nurses, therapists, specialists, etc. I tell you, they are among the most capable, personable and professional in the world.

The very idea that these sick, fascist/Nazi bastard SOBs (and pardon my French) would somehow work it to deny coverage of this type to the tens of thousands who need it and are now getting it in the best medical system in the world...turns my stomach, causes me literally to puke, and makes me see red.

For people like me, who are being treated now on an ongoing basis for very rare cancers that in my State of Idaho they had never even seen one like, much less treated...the long term prognosis of this type of decision will ensure a much earlier death.

Here's a warning to these sick POSs. There are people who will not only see red, but will demand equal payment in kind. When you push good people to the point of death, they sometimes decide that they might as well take a few of the sorry bastards with them.

Other's may say..."But what good will that do, you are not going to get at the real culprits."

Perhaps not at first...but as more and more are forced into that logic, and more and more people rebel against this, the more whittling and nibbling will occur, and they will ultimately cut into the muscle, the meat, and then into the control mechanisms of this monstrosity. On top of that, these tyrants cannot keep all of the people necessary to defend themselves on their own plans...so there will be push back and fighting within their own ranks.

The monsters behind this need to feel directly the weight of their decisions. This is not something where people tighten their belts and don't spend $50 or a $100 dollars as much on fuel because of their leftist/Marxist/fascist decisions, they are pushing it to a life or death condition for a more and more people.

And that is their intent. It has been all along.

It is becoming more and more patently obvious that this isn't, and never was about "affordable," or "good health care," in the least.

It is about the abject and naked use of life and death conditions to compel and force the people of this nation, using health care as a weapon, to bow down at the alter of big government, do it their way, or risk death...they are abject tyrants trying to exercise complete control.

Well, they have completely miscalculated. I pray in 2014 and 2016 we turn this completely around as a result of their miscalculations. But make no mistake. It is also different this time. People's very life and that of their loved ones now hang in the balance and it is becoming clear to them.

These dastardly, evil, conspiring, lieing, powermonging despots may soon learn what King George, the Barbary tyrants, Hitler, Mojo, Stalin, Hussein, Bin Laden and so many others learned.

...and as Patrick Henry knew, 235 years ago; 'There is a just God who presides in the Heavens. We will not fight alone. He will raise friends...and conditions...to fight with us. And a free, God fearing people, who repent and humble themselves before the God of this land, will bring the tyrants down.' (II Chron 7:14)

Sic Semper Tyranus!

America at the Crossroads of History

42 posted on 12/12/2013 7:01:54 AM PST by Jeff Head
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jeff Head
That's good ol' Anglo Saxon, bro ... not French.

I've BEEN there (on the ready) for some time now.

I'm quite sure I have emphasema (no one will actually SAY the word ... just .. COPD), and I know enough about how badly I breathe ...

never mind.

Love to you and yours, brother ... Merry Christmas.

43 posted on 12/12/2013 7:08:28 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Jeff Head
Good morning. I'm glad you are doing well.

Your rant is probably prophetic.

5.56mm

44 posted on 12/12/2013 7:16:27 AM PST by M Kehoe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Jeff Head
Welcome to the USSA, Comrade Jeff.


45 posted on 12/12/2013 7:21:24 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Jeff Head
I am so sorry. MD Anderson is a fine, fine organization. It is a loss to all of us. I guess my question is long term. How will institutions such as Mayo, Anderson, Cleveland Clinic, Johns Hopkins, et al, survive if they have no patients?
46 posted on 12/12/2013 7:28:22 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Gabrial

The sad thing is Gabrial, is that many Americans will be forced to go to the exchanges.

What you are seeing in the individual coverages will spread like cancer to the group coverages next year.

I am on a plan, a group plan, that includes coverage that allowed me to go to MDA Anderson in 2010 and have my lifer saved there from a very rare cancer...and now be seen each year for checkup and treatment as required.

Next year you will see most plans like the one I am on canceled...just like the individual plans are being canceled now. Once they are, you will either be able to get a new plan from your provider that meets the ObamaCare requirements (meaning no MD Anderson) and will cost about 3x as much per months with a 3-4x larger deductable, or will have to go to the exhanges to get a plan (which will mean the same).

The people who can afford to pay for MD Anderson out of pocket (meaning they are very well off...which I have no problem with and say good for them) will do so. There are many people in the US who have that wherwithall and will make use of MD Anderson, many from overseas will too...and in fact, already are.

But the vast majority of Americans will be denied this service. A service they have now...and they will be put into a position where decision making regarding their very life will be handed over to the government and it bureaocrats and panels.


47 posted on 12/12/2013 7:36:44 AM PST by Jeff Head
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: ForGod'sSake
FGS, see my post 42 and my post 47.

This will impact me and my family personally, along with so many others.

This situation is one we have expected...but prayed may not come...and now it is. It is intolerable and cannot be allowed to stand.

I say that not just for my sake...I made my peace already and am willing to happily live as long as the good Lord determines for it is in His hands, and submit to His will in all things. But I know there are many thousands, from children, through young adults, to newly weds, and parents with young families...all the way up to Sr. citizens who can enjoy life with their grandkids, who this type of decision will be, in effect, a death sentence.

These tyrnats are using the health care system as a weapon, a weapon to control the vast majority of the American people.

IMHO sooner or later, we as a people have to stand, whatever the cost, and show them we will not bow to such control.

48 posted on 12/12/2013 7:42:39 AM PST by Jeff Head
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: afraidfortherepublic
The people who can afford to do so, will pay out of pocket. There are a lot of people who can and when they have these conditions, they will use whattever resource they can to stay alive.

In addition, the people of means all over the world will continue to come...as they already are doing. I saw so many people from all over the world while there.

When it comes to these conditions...life and edeath...it was so neat for me to see how people's cultures and ideoloogies melt away in the face of that condition. Grandpas and Grandmas, parents and children...they were all just that, and very willing to interact with others to share their conditions and experience there. Such stark conditions, times, and decisions regarding health and life and death, I saw tended to bring people together.

And to a person, no matter where they came for, I saw them thankful to God above, however they addressed Him, that the Unitied States of America had a system that could generate a place like MD Anderson where they could come.

I expect MD Anderson will continue to get the funding and the pateints they need to stay in operation. it's just that a large segment will now be denied. But as others find that with Obama Care their local providers are, in effect dumbed down and overburdened with care...those who can will use their resources to go to these places and they will continue to operate, helping whomever comes to their door.

49 posted on 12/12/2013 7:48:19 AM PST by Jeff Head
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: Jeff Head

God bless you and your family, Jeff. You know, there are a lot of us older types out there who understand what’s going on and share your outlook.

There is justice, and then there is retribution.


50 posted on 12/12/2013 7:58:51 AM PST by Noumenon (What would Michael Collins do?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-68 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson