Skip to comments.Russia Deploys Missiles in Western Region
Posted on 12/16/2013 2:18:52 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee
MOSCOW Russia has deployed short-range ballistic missiles in the countrys west, a move that it contends does not violate international treaties, the Defense Ministry said Monday, though it conceivably would allow Russia to carry out a precise strike against the Baltic nations and Poland.
The deployment of the Iskander missiles, which have a maximum range of about 250 miles and are capable of carrying conventional or nuclear payloads, has often been threatened by Russia as a response to proposed extensions of an American missile defense shield in Eastern Europe. However, the announcement on Monday was the first official confirmation from the Russian government that the Iskander systems may already be deployed within striking distance of NATO countries in Europe.
Iskander rocket complexes are indeed standing armed with the rocket and artillery divisions in the Western Military District, a region that includes Kaliningrad, a Russian enclave between Lithuania and Poland, said Igor Konashenkov, a Defense Ministry spokesman.
Mr. Konashenkov was quoted by Russian state news agencies as saying that the locations of the missiles do not contradict any international agreements or treaties.
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If you had a wimp like obozo on the other side would not YOU flex your muscle?
obozo is a real tough guy — spying on US citizens and friends alike.
Oh, and allowing his kids to choose targets for unmanned drones to fire on, like Ender’s War in the WH (I really think that happens).
Who wants to invade Russia?
Back during POTUS #43 GWB’s watch I remember thinking that when he wanted to move ABM technology into Eastern Europe that it was a violation of the START/ABM treaties. I have always thought that GHWB/WJC/GWB lost the 2nd Russian revolution.
“Who wants to invade Russia?”
China will, eventually.
A navigator tried to threaten Kansas SoS Kobach’s family.
Setting up forward missiles seems like an exaggerated response to that.
Those missile trucks look serious
China and Russia have been holding joint war games since 2005. They’re doing it in preparation for war against the WEST. Not each other.
“China and Russia have been holding joint war games since 2005. Theyre doing it in preparation for war against the WEST. Not each other.”
The inside dope on those war games is that the Russian’s show theirs and the Chinese doesn’t. The games have been tense and the Chinese are clearly using them for intelligence gathering. They’re done for show by two countries that do not trust each other. Russia is trying to form alliances with countries surrounding China to thwart Chinese ambitions. By all appearances there is a cold war brewing. Also, Siberia is empty and has oil. If you look at the satellite pictures Siberia is dark, but right across the border it’s crowded.
Although Russia’s population has recently started growing they’ve spent a long time at less than replacement numbers. (China is also facing demographic problems, but they’re starting with many more people.) Also, China appears to be entering an expansionist phase. Russia is fighting a population collapse. (Russia is countering their problems well. But, so is China. It’s just the US that’s not dealing with our issues, which are mostly government caused.)
"Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants."
Germany and Russia were pretty cozy militarily from the 20s thru the 30s, but that didn't work out so well in the end.
I would point out that Germany and Russia kept up a front when both sides knew they’d end up fighting. Putin is an excellent leader. But China continues to screw everybody they deal with. They have, for instance, repeatedly stolen Russian arms technology and sold it to the world. China is out just for China. As Churchill said, “Nations don’t have friends, nations have common interests.” China has only China’s interests at heart. They’ll take anything on offer, but the deal is only a win/lose as far as they’re concerned.
Russia and China have more common goals than did Russia and Germany.
China is an oil importer...it wants cheap oil.
Russia is an oil exporter...it wants expensive oil.
The exercise involves about 3,000 Russian and Chinese servicemen, nearly 300 units of army military equipment and over 40 fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters. Photo: BMP-86A infantry fighting vehicles of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) of China.
 Russia, China plan new joint military exercises
By MARTIN SIEFF, UPI Senior News Analyst
Published: March 26, 2009
WASHINGTON, March 26 (UPI) -- The continuing tensions over Russia's refusal to sell its state-of-the-art land warfare advanced weapons systems to China hasn't interrupted the rhythm of major joint military exercises between the two major land powers on the Eurasian landmass. The latest in the regular, biennial series of exercises between the two nations has been confirmed for this summer.
The next in the now well-established series of exercises called Peace Mission 2009 will be carried out in northeastern China, the Russian Defense Ministry announced March 18, according to a report carried by the RIA Novosti news agency.
The first bilateral Peace Mission maneuvers -- described at the time as counter-terrorism exercises -- were held in Russia and the eastern Chinese province of Shandong in August 2005. As we reported at that time, they were a lot bigger than mere counter-terrorism exercises. Warships, squadrons of combat aircraft and more than 10,000 troops were involved carrying out landings against hypothetically hostile shores. The maneuvers also involved large-scale paratroops drops. The scale and nature of those exercises suggested a trial run for a possible Chinese invasion of Taiwan with Russian support. ..."
Russia, China flex muscles in joint war games
August 17, 2007
CHEBARKUL, Russia (Reuters) - Russia and China staged their biggest joint exercises on Friday but denied this show of military prowess could lead to the formation of a counterweight to NATO.
"Today's exercises are another step towards strengthening the relations between our countries, a step towards strengthening international peace and security, and first and foremost, the security of our peoples," Putin said.
Fighter jets swooped overhead, commandos jumped from helicopters on to rooftops and the boom of artillery shells shook the firing range in Russia's Ural mountains as two of the largest armies in the world were put through their paces.
The exercises take place against a backdrop of mounting rivalry between the West, and Russia and China for influence over Central Asia, a strategic region that has huge oil, gas and mineral resources.
Russia's growing assertiveness is also causing jitters in the West. Putin announced at the firing range that Russia was resuming Soviet-era sorties by its strategic bomber aircraft near NATO airspace.
War Games: Russia, China Grow Alliance
September 23, 2005
In foreign policy its critical to know thine enemy. So American policymakers should be aware that Russia and China are inching closer to identifying a common enemy the United States.
The two would-be superpowers held unprecedented joint military exercises Aug. 18-25. Soothingly named Peace Mission 2005, the drills took place on the Shandong peninsula on the Yellow Sea, and included nearly 10,000 troops. Russian long-range bombers, the army, navy, air force, marine, airborne and logistics units from both countries were also involved.
Moscow and Beijing claim the maneuvers were aimed at combating terrorism, extremism and separatism (the last a veiled reference to Taiwan), but its clear they were an attempt to counter-balance American military might.
Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants."
"Peace Mission 2010
Looks like the military exercise between Shanghai Cooperation Organization is becoming an annual occurrence instead of bi-annual [ie, 2005, 2007, 2009].
According to rian, the next one will be this September . ..."
“Peace Mission-2013”: China-Russia relations in new context:
I was referring to their common goal of them becoming stronger while we get weaker. A goal they share with our current president.
Don’t hold your breath waiting for that scenario to happen.
What will happen when China goes after Taiwan, with possibly Russia’s help? Or Japan?
Would it be wise to detonate a nuke only 250 miles away?
>>>China and Russia have been holding joint war games since 2005. Theyre doing it in preparation for war against the WEST. Not each other.<<<
Stalin and Hitler held wargames too.
They may go after each other when we are out of the picture. In the meantime, they’ll be a tag team against us.
>>>Russia and China have more common goals than did Russia and Germany.<<<
What exactly? No fundamental values are shared between them.
Russia was interested in China as a client and lost interest as China started to pose as a rival in late 1950s, using Russian technology for development and Russian political system of that era to control their population. China has nothing at all that Russia wants.
For Chinese Russia is a racist country which has “pushed around” China for centuries. They are thankless for both Russian blood spit to end their enslaving by the Japanese and for Russian technology lifted them from a dark age.
All they wants from Russia is more technologies, natural resources and market.
BTW, US is now bearing a fruit of it’s 1970s Chinese outreach which is very similar to that the Russians got from the Chinese in the 1960s.
What interest for China in taking out US?
US and China won’t ever live without each other under current conditions.
The US as an obstacle in their way.
They can more easily proceed with their plans to take Taiwan, then go after Japan, and possibly others after that when they get even stronger.
In what way? China lives off the trade with US.
They’ll seize control of Taiwan’s and other’s resources and wealth.
To take out US in order to seize control over Taiwan is rich isn’t it?
That’ll be just a stepping stone to more takeovers, with us out of the way. Communism needs to be global in order to work as planned.
We wouldn’t have to necessarily be “taken out”, just minimized to the point where we can’t fight a war against both Russia and China at the same time, particularly while dealing with terrorism also.
By J.R. Nyquist
In discussions with former KGB and GRU officers you will run across two apparently contradictory statements. Sometimes you will hear them say that the former USSR is still run by Communists, suggesting that the rulers there believe in Communism. On the other hand, they will tell you to forget about the Communist label; that the rulers of the USSR never really believed in Communist ideology, which was a deception used to manipulate large numbers of unintelligent people.
Former KGB Lt. Col. Victor Kalashnikov recently wrote several paragraphs on this subject, and it is worth presenting. Kalashnikovs key point is that Communism is strategy, not ideology. Useful idiots believe in Communist dogma, while Communist strategists do not. Here is what Kalashnikov had to say on the subject:
Ideology as such has not ever been the real driving force guiding Russias rulers, from the Bolsheviks until the present. Ideological explanations are irrelevant. Consider the deeds of the Bolsheviks rather than the explanations or justifications given by them. Dont forget that criminals may be very eloquent and even well educated, and are capable of offering convincing-sounding rhetoric. The real problem is located elsewhere. A lot of people, those useful ones, will take that rhetoric seriously, giving it attention and respect, and even protection. Yet if we rely on Occams razor, we may remove the superficial misunderstandings caused by taking rhetoric seriously.
The Bolsheviks were basically nothing but professional gangsters and terrorists, killers and robbers, and that is unquestionably more relevant than all the ideological explanations provided by them. They were part of a broader terrorist spectrum which spread across Russia since the late 19th century and grabbed power and national wealth UNDER COVER of Marxist and Leftist-sounding slogans. They did so to mislead the Russians themselves and the foreign public the latter often longing for real socialism or communism.The slogans of the gangsters have varied substantially over time, according to the changing needs up until our day. Compare the types of Marxism preached and practiced under various general secretaries, even during different parts of their respective tenures. Marxism-Leninism was used in the USSR rather as a DECEPTION TOOL; whereas, in reality, the regime was a gangster-run state with all the unmistakable features of organized criminal activity.
I can only confirm what Viktor Suvorov once told me about the GRU as applying to the KGB: namely, that if any faithful communists happened to penetrate the intelligence staff by chance, they would be filtered out. You may not entrust serious matters to the people believing in all that rubbish, Suvorov said. Take proletarian solidarity for example. When and how did it work? Or take pauperization of the imperialist states, or inter-imperialist wars, etc. What really remained untouched among all the Marxists in state power [was] the ever present and aggressive anti-Americanism. Why? Because the United States is reasonably regarded as an INHERENT OPPONENT of Leftist rule and policies. All of this also implies more power for the secret police to suppress dissent and opposition, along with the crucial role of BUREAUCRACY and all its perquisites like nepotism, corruption, etc. Thats where the COMMON DENOMINATOR with Russia is to be found. Such regimes are incompatible with normal countries and doomed to seek conflict rather than cooperation.
Anti-Americanism would probably be the most distinct and unifying feature among them so that you may take it as the only workable and articulated ideology of substance that they espouse. And, of course, Moscow supplies all anti-American forces worldwide with arms, training, secret police and subversion know-how, plus diplomatic and political cover. Clearly, the KGB and GRU have laid down firm foundations for such international alliances on institutional, material, financial and personal levels. The General Staff of the Russian armed forces has definitely integrated those Leftist regimes of Latin American into its strategic planning, including subversion, terrorism and various forms of soft power, targeting the United States and its allies. As already noted, the Marxist or so-named liberation ideology rather plays an operational role for the purposes of propaganda and deception.
The West seems to live with a self-made, or partly imposed from the outside, fairy tale about Russia. Im really getting tired of continually explaining this wherever I can. Probably, the Western culture and the overall state of mind are in need, for the sake of inner balance and comfort, of an alternative to a decadent Western society. This alternative is somehow thought to be Russia, which still belongs to the European realm with all its great writers and composers of the 19thcentury. This artificial idea about a Russia that never really existed, and by no means is Putins Russian Federation anyway, is eagerly supported in Moscow. In fact, the present-day Russia is engulfed by CULTURAL REGRESS which is increasingly apparent if you look straight at arts, literature, architecture, media or public life. However paradoxically, this regress may become an effective survival strategy for Russia. Remember that a mollusk can outlive every other thing on earth because of its simple adaptive abilities. That makes Putins Russia even more dangerous, and requires a truly fresh look at an ominous phenomenon.
Here we discover, in Kalashnikovs analysis, the keys to the whole puzzle. Not all Communists believe in the sense of religious belief. Their Communism boils down to a set of strategies. In practice, they are gangsters and terrorists. Their strategy was (and is) to destroy the United States in order to lay the entire world open to plunder. As Lenin once said, Communism is nothing more than the scientific management of human affairs. Of all sciences, strategy involves the mass manipulation and management of people. For a criminal, this manipulation signifies mass murder and mass robbery.
It is beyond doubt, of course, that the Cold War did not end in 1991. Inside the former Soviet Union we can discern criminal totalitarian structures at work behind the scenes. These structures appear to control the large Russian corporations, media and, at minimum, maintain a veto power over government agencies in former Warsaw Pact countries and former Soviet republics. If these structures are not Communist in a strict sense, they are Communist in the sense that their actual ideology is anti-Americanism (as stated by Kalashnikov).
In terms of global strategy, these structures aim at the elimination of American power. Furthermore, these structures no longer require Marxist-Leninist ideology to function (though they do require anti-Americanism). At the same time they successfully make use of those Marxist true-believers in the West who still dream of socialist revolution.
When we look at Russian support to Venezuelan arms production, or to Russian support for Nicaraguas new military preparation, it appears that global communist revolution is still supported as part of this anti-American strategy. Kalashnikov would say that this is part of the deception. Effectively, it doesnt matter whether the FSB/KGB and the Russian General Staff believe in Marxism-Leninism or not. Their behavior is objectively the same as Marxist-Leninist behavior only without the attending ideological clichés.
What does Putin actually believe? Since Marxism itself is a deception aimed at a specific audience, Putin must sound like a Marxist when speaking to Marxists, but must sound like a non-Marxist when interfacing with Western leaders. In the year 2000 Vladimir Putin was asked by Larry King about the cross he wears around his neck. Putin was evasive and refused to acknowledge a belief in God. When King pressed him for an answer, he said, I believe in the power of man. He had to give this answer because true-believing Communists in dozens of countries were listening, and he could not let them down.
When Putin first visited Cuba a journalist asked if he was still a Communist. Putin said, Call me a pot, but heat me not. The thing that is most difficult to understand and to relate to readers is that Marxism is two things with regard to two sets of people. Marxism is a lie a deception strategy for the strategists. At the same time, it is a religion to the true believers.
When a Communist revolution succeeds, the regime organizes everything around the concept of maximizing strategic power. Society itself is transformed into a tool of strategy. The true-believer always finds that the final end is not Communist revolution but strategic dominance to the point of universal tyranny. This produces the actual phenomenon of so-called Communist states. And this is, in fact, what Communism actually signifies in practice.
By Jason Gutierrez - 3 hours ago [Dec 17, 2013]
Manila (AFP) - US Secretary of State John Kerry warned China Tuesday against any move to declare an air defence zone in the South China Sea, as he affirmed defence ties with long-time ally the Philippines.
Kerry, in Manila for a two-day visit, criticised China for its declaration last month of an Air Defence Identification Zone (ADIZ) in the East China Sea including over disputed islands.
He warned Beijing against any similar move in the South China Sea, where it has overlapping claims with several Asian countries including the Philippines.
Kerry also announced that Washington had committed $40 million to help the Philippines strengthen its sea defence capabilities.
The two sides are also in the final stages of hammering out a deal allowing more US troops, aircraft and ships to pass through the Philippines, where the last US bases closed in 1992. ...
Nov 20, 2013
The United States is gravely concerned about Chinas new long-range nuclear bombers that can target previously unreachable US military bases in the Pacific, according to a new report.
The US-China Economic and Security Review Commission warns in its annual report that China is "rapidly expanding and diversifying" its ability to strike US bases, ships and aircraft throughout the Pacific, even places like Guam that were previously out of reach, The Foreign Policy magazine reported on Wednesday.
The House Armed Services Committee is set to discuss Chinas Hongzha-6K bomber at a hearing on Wednesday when members of the commission will testify about their report.
The US military has made Guam a key strategic military hub in the western Pacific as part of Washingtons new pivot strategy of realigning American forces toward Asia.
The report warned that China has become increasingly aggressive in the way it handles issues with US allies such as the Philippines and Japan.
"Although sovereignty disputes in the East and South China Seas are not new, China's growing diplomatic, economic, and military clout is improving China's ability to assert its interests," according to the report.
"It is increasingly clear that China does not intend to resolve the disputes through multilateral negotiations or the application of international laws and adjudicative processes but instead will use its growing power in support of coercive tactics that pressure its neighbors to concede to China's claims," it added.
Chinas new drone, which resembles the MQ-9 Reaper, can be armed with Hellfire missiles, bombs and other weapons.
The commission also warned about the growth of the Chinese navy.
"By 2020, barring a US naval renaissance, it is possible that China will become the world's leading military shipbuilder in terms of the numbers of submarines, surface combatants and other naval surface vessels produced per year," said the report, citing Chinese military experts Andrew Erickson and Gabe Collins.
This is while the United States has planned to conduct more joint military exercises in western Pacific and encircle China with a chain of small air bases and military ports.
China is considering the Pentagons focus on the pivot to the Asia-Pacific as a strategy to counter Chinas increasing global influence.
From Fox News, Nov 2013...
By Bill Gertz
November 04, 2013
The Obama administration declined to comment on Sunday on provocative state-run Chinese media reports outlining Beijings nuclear war plans, including land-based and submarine-launched missile strikes on U.S. cities that would kill up to 12 million people.
State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf and Pentagon spokeswoman Cynthia Smith would not respond when asked about the highly unusual Chinese reports published Oct. 28 in numerous major Communist Party-controlled television and newspaper outlets.
The Chinese reports included maps showing nuclear strikes on Los Angeles and the Pacific Northwest, along with the resulting radiation plumes stretching thousands of miles across the western United States.
Global Times, viewed as Chinas most xenophobic anti-U.S. media outlet, stated in its report that the 12 JL-2 [submarine-launched ballistic missile] nuclear warheads carried by one single Type 094 SSBN can kill and wound 5 million to 12 million Americans. The newspaper is a subsidiary of the Peoples Daily, the organ of the Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party. ..."
Exactly. Putin wants to restore the old Eastern Bloc with Russian domination of all the breakaway republics plus Eastern Europe. The Russians can do this through subversion. The strategy is to empower the pro-Russian population through election fraud, bribery, assassination, sabotage, labor strikes and riots, and inciting conflicts between ethnic and religious groups. And they can use military force as they did in Georgia justifying the incursion by claiming they were protecting oppressed ethnic Russians living in Georgia. Hitler did this in Czechoslovakia and Poland, etc. The optimum time to accomplish Putin's goals would be the remainder of Obama’s term. After 2016 a U.S. hardliner could be in office.