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Algae to crude oil: Million-year natural process takes minutes in the lab
Pacific Northwest National Laboratory ^ | 12/17/2013 | Tom Rickey

Posted on 12/20/2013 9:24:42 AM PST by logi_cal869

Engineers have created a continuous chemical process that produces useful crude oil minutes after they pour in harvested algae — a verdant green paste with the consistency of pea soup.(snip)

In the PNNL process, a slurry of wet algae is pumped into the front end of a chemical reactor. Once the system is up and running, out comes crude oil in less than an hour, along with water and a byproduct stream of material containing phosphorus that can be recycled to grow more algae.

With additional conventional refining, the crude algae oil is converted into aviation fuel, gasoline or diesel fuel. And the waste water is processed further, yielding burnable gas and substances like potassium and nitrogen, which, along with the cleansed water, can also be recycled to grow more algae.(snip)

The recent work is part of DOE's National Alliance for Advanced Biofuels & Bioproducts, or NAABB. This project was funded with American Recovery and Reinvestment Act funds by DOE's Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy. Both PNNL and Genifuel have been partners in the NAABB program.

(Excerpt) Read more at pnnl.gov ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: algae; biofuel; energy; green; oil
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To: logi_cal869

Maybe this is proof that during the dinosaur age oil was created from huge amounts of algae that grew during that time were covered over and buried while other plant growth turned to coal.


21 posted on 12/20/2013 9:50:04 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: count-your-change
Tens of millions of acres of algae pools to produce significant amounts of oil, not likely to be competitive with drilled wells.

Not to mention the smell.

22 posted on 12/20/2013 9:51:07 AM PST by immadashell (The inmates are running the asylum.)
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To: logi_cal869

The US Dept of Agriculture currently pays BILLIONS out via the Crop Reduction Program (CRP). This program pays farmers with land that could be farmed, to not farm.

I am of the opinion, that a significant reduction of our foreign oil dependence along with an improvement in the cash flows for farms could be achieved if the USDA would require the production of X numbers of gallons of algae in order to qualify for Y number of acres in the CRP program.

Further, tax breaks could be provided to ag co-ops that build algae collection and process to oil facilities that could then be shipped via trains to refineries.

Growing algae can be done in tanks, in ponds, etc. Farmers might even be able to process the algae into bio-diesel for their own farm equipment thus reducing their costs. The algae can then be sold to the co-op, the co-op collect and process into oil and the oil sold to refineries. In essence, boot strapping a whole ag industry that would be a whole lot more efficient that trying to turn food (corn) into fuel (ethanol).


23 posted on 12/20/2013 9:52:19 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: alloysteel; All
I think it was Exxon that just lost something like $100 million on researching 'algae-based-fuels', but their process (among others') resulted from a dry algae, requiring much time & energy pre & post-process.

This process uses 'wet algae'; that's the major difference. Using the 'reactor' is akin to cooking your chicken in an oven vs. a pressure-cooker; much greater efficiency. I believe Sapphire Energy is also using the 'wet' process, but that's not been revealed that I can find.

My 'geek' was stimulated by this research...fascinating.

24 posted on 12/20/2013 9:54:24 AM PST by logi_cal869
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To: logi_cal869

This may explain Abiotic oil theories that have long been laughed at by enviromentalmidgets.


25 posted on 12/20/2013 9:55:02 AM PST by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.)
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To: NorthMountain

The problem with solar has always been storage. This seems like a good solution.

Of course the greenies will attempt to ban the technology.


26 posted on 12/20/2013 9:56:48 AM PST by Organic Panic
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To: logi_cal869

Good. Now make several million gallons of it per day. Oh, and keep the price per gallon at $2.50 or less.


27 posted on 12/20/2013 9:57:33 AM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Admin Moderator

I considered that. But I respectfully disagree:

An Alternative to corn-to-ethanol processes & fringe electric/battery tech funded by MASSIVE government investment & bias (both resulting from its own ‘activism’) is, indeed, Activism.

IMHO. Am I wrong?


28 posted on 12/20/2013 9:58:46 AM PST by logi_cal869
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To: Organic Panic

If it proves to be economically viable, the greenies will hate it and try to ban it.

If it’s a worthless sinkhole of resources, they’ll tout it as the way of the future and demand subsidies.


29 posted on 12/20/2013 9:58:53 AM PST by NorthMountain
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To: logi_cal869

Good news everybody.

But I do have a few questions:

1. What are the resource requirements and energy inputs into growing the algae?

2. What are the resource requirements and energy inputs into reacting the algae into oil?

3. Does the energy output from burning the oil exceed the energy inputs into the total process?

4. Is the growth and reaction processes expandable and sustainable?

5. Are there any undesirable byproducts of the growth and reactions processes?

That is all.


31 posted on 12/20/2013 10:02:58 AM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: logi_cal869

Bump for later


32 posted on 12/20/2013 10:04:45 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (This is not just stupid, we're talking Democrat stupid here.)
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To: Admin Moderator

Now I’m confused. You threw me with the ‘isn’t activism’ statement.

The forum is News/Activism.

If this isn’t at least news, please direct me to which forum applies in this case.

Not being an a$$; trying to understand and elaborating that I’ve thought this, and other posts, through.


33 posted on 12/20/2013 10:05:14 AM PST by logi_cal869
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To: Michael.SF.

“This may explain Abiotic oil theories that have long been laughed at by enviromentalmidgets.”

Man, the Enviros are going to be pi$$ed.....


34 posted on 12/20/2013 10:06:27 AM PST by FAA
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To: count-your-change

It may be a very large amount of oil, but the way things are going, we will be eating the algae and walking to work.


35 posted on 12/20/2013 10:07:18 AM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: logi_cal869
I know of an "experiment" that involved a pressure vessel filled it with watered down saw dust about 40 years ago. It was heated until the bulkhead gasket blew. What came out ignited and created quite a massive blowtorch effect. After it cooled and was able to be taken apart, what was left looked like pure carbon that had been a liquid (crude) at one time. Don't try this at home!

So, the same process can probably be used with any carbon based material when mixed with a proportion amount of H2O under tremendous pressure and heat. And since it's just recycling carbon, there is no need for a carbon credit scheme.

36 posted on 12/20/2013 10:07:29 AM PST by Errant
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
To make this feasible on any significant scale, how big are the algae ponds going to have to be?

As big as Mars, maybe?

37 posted on 12/20/2013 10:09:58 AM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Theoria

look for PETA to start a campaign to prevent harm to algae.


38 posted on 12/20/2013 10:14:13 AM PST by TurboZamboni ("PEACE ON EARTH TO MEN OF GOOD WILL".)
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To: catnipman

My question is:

How much does it cost?

If its going to be cheaper per gallon, great. If its going to cost more per gallon, it is not worth doing.

It is going to have to be significantly cheaper per gallon to be worth investing in all the infrastructure that it would need.


39 posted on 12/20/2013 10:14:15 AM PST by BeauBo
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To: logi_cal869

maybe it does not take “millions and millions” of years to make crude oil “naturally” either.


40 posted on 12/20/2013 10:16:25 AM PST by BereanBrain
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