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'GREEN BULLETS' OVERTAKING LEAD THANKS TO EPA, STATE REGS, MILITARY
breitbart ^ | december 19, 2013 | awr hawkins

Posted on 12/22/2013 9:22:03 PM PST by lowbridge

As Breitbart News reported on December 1, EPA regulations led to the closing of the Herculaneam lead smelter in Herculaneum, Missouri, which is expected to push up prices for traditional lead ammo.

On top of this are regulations like the recent statewide lead ammo ban in California. Signed by Governor Jerry Brown (D) on October 11, this ban forces hunters to seek out nontraditional alternatives for their ammunition. In this way, the ban mandates "green bullets" by default.

Moreover, as Fox News reports, the military has set 2018 as its target date to have troops operating lead-ammo-free. "Green bullets" have been under testing at Picatinny Arsenal since 2010, and the Army plans to issue "a lead-free version of the 7.62 mm rounds fired from M-14 rifles... in 2014." The Army already switched to a greener 5.56 mm "enhanced performance round" in 2010.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ammunition; banglist; environuts; envirowackos; epa; guns; hysterics; obama; obamaepa
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To: oldbrowser

That’s not a bad idea. I wonder, how long until someone introduces a reasonably priced copper bullet lathe capable of “turning out” large volumes of solid copper ultra high ballistic coefficient projectiles? that’s the future right there. Such projectiles would be much more accurate and much more deadly than what they would be replacing. A shooting club could even chip in for the machine and share the costs and benefits of ownership until the price comes down.


21 posted on 12/22/2013 10:32:03 PM PST by RC one
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

save your pennies, boyos.


22 posted on 12/22/2013 10:38:19 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: lowbridge

Look up the properties of the depleted uranium in tank rounds and I have a hard time convincing myself that taking lead out of bullets is necessary.

Poisonous, pyrophoric (bursts in flame on contact with air) and radioactive, it is stuff from hell.


23 posted on 12/22/2013 10:41:33 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: Red Steel

Solid copper bullets chew up rifle barrels.


24 posted on 12/22/2013 11:21:51 PM PST by fini
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To: Terry L Smith
Talking about old school, I have enough of the old Comblock 7.62x54R to last several lifetimes. Say what you will about Commies, but they used to understand what kind of round a main battle rifle should shoot.


Polish light ball from 1953.

25 posted on 12/22/2013 11:23:20 PM PST by atomic_dog
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To: Red Steel
So how much for copper bullets?

I believe the ATF nipped that in the bud by classifying solid copper bullets as armor piercing.

26 posted on 12/22/2013 11:46:30 PM PST by fso301
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To: Little Pig

The lead to be recycled had to come from somewhere. All copper bullet? Expensive and possibly hard on the barrel. This will affect supply and price. Hardest hit will be the bullet casters, the ones that know how to make bullets when the SHTF. Very hard time finding wheel weights now which are great for casting...of so I’ve heard...not that I do anything like that.


27 posted on 12/22/2013 11:54:10 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: lowbridge

Because Depleted Uranium is sooo much better than lead....


28 posted on 12/23/2013 12:49:05 AM PST by GraceG
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

Gold Bullets....

When the feds come to take your gold like FDR did back in the 30’s give it back to them as quickly as you can... at 1200+ FPS....


29 posted on 12/23/2013 12:50:12 AM PST by GraceG
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To: CurlyDave

[ Look up the properties of the depleted uranium in tank rounds and I have a hard time convincing myself that taking lead out of bullets is necessary.

Poisonous, pyrophoric (bursts in flame on contact with air) and radioactive, it is stuff from hell. ]

Chemically Uranium is quite toxic by itself never mind the radioactivity which is far higher than most isotopes of lead...

Most all heavy metals are toxic, save: Gold, Silver, and, Bismuth...

No one wants to spend the money on Gold and Silver... and Bismuth is not as malleable for bullets as lead...


30 posted on 12/23/2013 12:53:04 AM PST by GraceG
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To: oldbrowser

So how much for copper bullets?
a penny a piece if you make them yourself?

Only if they are 1982 or older. Otherwise you’re shooting 95% zinc.


31 posted on 12/23/2013 1:17:22 AM PST by Hugin
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To: fso301

Wrong. Barnes X are great bullets and made out of copper. Lots of others coming out now too.


32 posted on 12/23/2013 1:19:22 AM PST by Hugin
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To: GraceG

Silver bullets? Good for werewolves too.


33 posted on 12/23/2013 1:20:23 AM PST by Hugin
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To: Terry L Smith

“I’m going ‘further old school’. I already shoot just plain wadcutters and semi-wadcutters in my .38’s. No plus-p, or super-duper catridges, just 148 wc’s and 158 swc’s, no HP’s, either. Once I’m done with that, I’m getting what Winchester 130 FMJ’s I can. Used to work for me, when I wore a Model 15 on airbase security detail. They are flat nose, and not round nosed. I don’t figure to be shooting at folks wearing ak-rifle magazine pouch vests, so they do work fine. I’m on a budget, so 30 for 20 doesn’t work for me.”...

I used to do that before the boat sank with all my firearms AND ammo. It was a sad day indeed!


34 posted on 12/23/2013 2:50:31 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: lowbridge

Well, Okay. Where can I get some depleted uranium?


35 posted on 12/23/2013 3:23:44 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: fso301

Armor piercing bullets are not illegal.


36 posted on 12/23/2013 3:26:41 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: lowbridge

Maybe hollow points will literally mushroom on contact. Or broccoli head.


37 posted on 12/23/2013 4:18:23 AM PST by Old Yeller
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To: onona

Tell us more about spear hunting deer. I am seriously interested!


38 posted on 12/23/2013 5:00:09 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Hugin; Gaffer; lowbridge
Wrong. Barnes X are great bullets and made out of copper. Lots of others coming out now too.

How then do you explain the notice on Barnes' website?

Attention:

Certain Barnes Banded Solids are currently under review by the ATF making them unavailable. Please Click Here to learn more.


39 posted on 12/23/2013 6:42:03 AM PST by fso301
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To: fso301

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110113095137AAuNefj

References the law at the link.

In a nutshell, it is illegal to import, manufacture, export, etc. It is NOT illegal to own, buy,sell, or shoot it.

I have a couple of AP bandoliers for the Garand. You can buy surplus in many places online.


40 posted on 12/23/2013 7:12:20 AM PST by Gaffer
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