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WWII codebreaker Alan Turing gets royal pardon for gay conviction
CBS News ^ | 12/24/2013 | Reuters

Posted on 12/24/2013 9:14:14 AM PST by thetallguy24

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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
If he was a security risk, it was only because he was doing something that shouldn’t have been illegal in the first place.

So you support an active market in teenage flesh? That's a valuable, needed institution in society?

an act between consenting adults

(1) The teen he picked up that day was 19. The teen he picked up the week before could well have been 17 or younger. He probably had no idea if the teen he was caught with was an adult or not.

(2) Issues of consent become clouded when (a) a pimp may be involved or (b) when a sex act in the dead of winter may be the difference between having a meal and a warm place to sleep or freezing in the street.

What Turing was doing was cruel and exploitive, beneath the dignity of any decent human being.

21 posted on 12/24/2013 9:49:17 AM PST by wideawake
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To: christx30
And the other side totally dismisses his genius because of his gayness. Neither side is 100% correct.

False. I don't think the "other side" dismisses his genius; they just acknowledge his criminal, immoral acts.

The homo-activists will go so far as saying that a person's homosexuality directly contributes to his talent, to what makes him great. There's the vast difference.

22 posted on 12/24/2013 9:49:26 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: SamAdams76
He was given a choice between hormone treatment or prison.

He was despondent in part because the hormones erased his sex drive - which was the purpose of the hormones.

23 posted on 12/24/2013 9:50:47 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

I must say that I am very disappointed in Queen Elizabeth right now. Of all times in our history here in America, this almost seems like the worst to incite additional homosexual propaganda on American Christians.

We have been victim to horrid court decisions on gay marriage, a Rose Parade featuring a gay wedding, a growing embracement of gay marriage in the media, and vicious attacks on Phil Robertson.

But the Queen, instead of sympathizing with American pro family Christians, decides to slap us in our face by making a hero out of a criminal.

Doing nothing by adding to the Gay Propaganda.


24 posted on 12/24/2013 9:52:01 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: christx30
His genius is a matter of record.

No one is dismissing it.

One does wonder, though, how much more he might have accomplished if he didn't spend so much of his spare time walking the streets preying on homeless boys.

25 posted on 12/24/2013 9:53:02 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Bobalu
That paper is one of the most important scientific papers ever written.

Turing was on a par with scientific greats like Newton and Einstein.


This is a load of crap. First, Turing was a mathematician, not a scientist. Newton was bith a brilliant scientist and mathematician. Einstein was a scientist but no mathematician. Turing's contribution is small potatoes compared with them.

Second, his paper was secondary to Godel's on the incompleteness theorem.

Turing's contributions are useful for theoretical computer science but have little to do with designing practical computers. The contributions of von Neumann. Eckert, and Mauchly are much more important for practical computers.

Actually, the principal contributions to today's computers are from Shockley and Grove and Moore and the thousands aof engineers who developed integrated circuits.
26 posted on 12/24/2013 9:56:44 AM PST by fifedom
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To: Viennacon

Killed himself by eating a poisoned apple (probably after watching Disney’s Snow White). His sentence in his homosexual conviction was to be given estrogen, until his breasts grew.

As a professional mathematician he
(1) Proved that any problem that could be solved by mathematics could be solved by a machine that could read, write, and perform logical operations AND, OR, and NOT.
(2) Helped break German ENIGMA codes (British “ULTRA”).
(3) Worked on first British computer COLOSSUS” which used mercury delay lines as memory.
(4) Worked on modern semi-digital telephone encryption devices.


27 posted on 12/24/2013 10:01:54 AM PST by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be relearned.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

was it only adults?

I suspect there is more to the story, contribution or not.

judging from recent ivory tower political correctness it was never “just adults”

(see recent conviction fo two adult males who adopted a child and created a horror story life for the child)


28 posted on 12/24/2013 10:07:12 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

put your flame suit on…sometimes the know it alls will torch you for such a conservative way of thinking


29 posted on 12/24/2013 10:08:25 AM PST by Nifster
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To: fifedom; Bobalu
Comparing Turing with Newton or Einstein is a bit much.

He was a brilliant mathematician and made significant contributions to cryptography, combinatorics and computing theory.

Alonzo Church, who had the misfortune of being far less fashionable than Turing (he was an American, a churchgoing Evangelical and a family man) came up with the solution to Godel's "decision problem" before Turing did and that's why it's called Church's theorem rather than Turing's theorem.

30 posted on 12/24/2013 10:09:01 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

are you equally as outraged at all of the teen aged boys trolling for some female to bang? ( and all of those here on FR who seem to champion the boys will be boys attitude?)


31 posted on 12/24/2013 10:11:06 AM PST by Nifster
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To: wideawake
What Turing was doing was cruel and exploitive, beneath the dignity of any decent human being.

In our brave new society, "cruel" and "exploitative" can be applied only to those who bully animals or especially sensitive adults. Children are fair game.

32 posted on 12/24/2013 10:11:19 AM PST by madprof98
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To: longtermmemmory

George Orwell, writing to a contemporary in France who was considering a visit to London in the 1930’s, warned him not to make eye contact with anyone in a public loo, lest he be arrested for public lewdness. Pre-War England may have been a little too uptight.


33 posted on 12/24/2013 10:11:35 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: Oliviaforever

“But the Queen, instead of sympathizing with American pro family Christians”

ummm hate to tell you this but we have no royal family so why would you expect the queen to care about US citizens???


34 posted on 12/24/2013 10:13:30 AM PST by Nifster
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To: fifedom
Einstein was a scientist but no mathematician.

Einstein was a mighty good mathematician, IMHO.

To have had the imagination and intellectual power to visualize relativity as the solution to the observed invariant speed of light, and then to take hold of that vision and express it mathematically, shows an almost superhuman ability to express in mathematics a vision of something fragile, complex and subtle.

Few mathematicians have Einstein's ability to use their skills to express in symbols underlying physical realities of the universe that won't be experienced directly by ordinary humans for hundreds of years, if ever.

I certainly think Einstein was on a par with Newton.

Whether or not Turing deserves to be in the same realm, I don't know. I've never been able to get my mind around cryptography and the mathematics that attends it. To me, cryptography is necessary but not very interesting. Cryptography is only necessary because of the sinful nature of human beings.

35 posted on 12/24/2013 10:15:00 AM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Oliviaforever
I must say that I am very disappointed in Queen Elizabeth right now. Of all times in our history here in America, this almost seems like the worst to incite additional homosexual propaganda on American Christians.

What pray tell does this event have anything to do with America? Alan Turing was a British citizen, convicted for British crimes in a British court and now posthumously pardoned by Britain.

But the Queen, instead of sympathizing with American pro family Christians, decides to slap us in our face by making a hero out of a criminal.

Well, we've always got Uganda in our corner.

36 posted on 12/24/2013 10:19:48 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68

And Russia.


37 posted on 12/24/2013 10:22:04 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: wideawake

Chemical castration is a chemical lowering of the male libido and not a surgical procedure of any kind. Injection of anti-androgen drugs once every 3 months is given as an option to convicted child rapists as a condition of their parole.

Although the term Chemical Castration ‘sounds’ gruesome, it is harmless.

Other treatments to lower male libido have been prevalent in the military for mission effectiveness purposes. During the Vietnam War era and after, the military added Saltpeter ‘potassium nitrate’ to food to inhibit male libido. Homosexuals caught in the act of sodomy inside showers or barracks, or in combat areas in turn created a breakdown in a unit’s cohesiveness and Esprit de Corps that were essential to a unit’s integrity and trust.

Saltpeter is harmless unless added in very very large fractions. It is used as a food preservative. It is used as an additive in treatments for asthma and for sensitive teeth.


38 posted on 12/24/2013 10:22:10 AM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: carriage_hill

And he can get “married” on a Rose Parade float...yay!


39 posted on 12/24/2013 10:25:14 AM PST by matginzac
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To: fifedom

Great breakthroughs often seem simple..but only after someone else has discovered them.

Turing’s description of the “Turing Machine” is such a breakthrough...as is the concept of zero, as is Newtons creation of the Calculus (also a hat tip to Leibniz). These all seem very simple now only because someone else created them and we merely have to learn about them.

The conception of the Turing machine is the true beginning of the science of computing.... and it does indeed seem simple.


40 posted on 12/24/2013 10:27:22 AM PST by Bobalu (The true secret to genius is in creativity, not in technical mechanics)
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