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Hospital agrees to let Jahi McMath family take girl
SF Chronicle ^ | 03 Jan 14 | Henry Lee

Posted on 01/03/2014 4:17:39 PM PST by Drew68

Edited on 01/03/2014 4:20:22 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: exDemMom

One of Jahi’s doctors does not agree with the diagnosis. For an innocent life, I’ll side with the dissenting vote.


61 posted on 01/03/2014 6:37:25 PM PST by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: ifinnegan
The difference in Quinlan's case was that she wasn't actually "dead" by any medical definition. Her case demonstrates a clear difference between "death" and a "coma." The fact that she survived after the respirator was removed was compelling evidence that she was still "alive" by any objective measure.
62 posted on 01/03/2014 6:37:27 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: RginTN

You and I have no idea what the hospital said and did. We have no idea of the conversation between the parties.

The hospital cannot legally discuss this publicly.

I know from relatives who work for a hospital and witness this thing every other year or so. These parents are distraught. I can understand that. But there is a time to accept what has happened, and move to the next steps.


63 posted on 01/03/2014 6:40:01 PM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: ifinnegan

Interesting, don’t you think, since her body didn’t turn to mush or anything like it. This young girl is not dead, she is on a ventilator as was Christopher Reeve until he died and Karen Quinlan for 10 years after the ventilator was removed. The hospital is looking out for their financial interest, period, IMHO.

Young children who are gravely injured - for that matter, adults who are gravely injured - sometimes recover. My Mom, for example, was put on a respirator because she was dying of a massive cerebral hemmorhage (sp). 3 hours later she woke up, noticed my brother had changed his shirt, and was sent home 3 days later alert and oriented. She ended up with no physical and minimal mental affects. Both physicians and nurses said it was a miracle.

This girl may recover some or not at all, but the hospital and freepers aren’t helping the discussion by saying she is dead.


64 posted on 01/03/2014 6:40:29 PM PST by Wicket (1 Peter 3:15 , Romans 5:5-8)
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To: Marie
In the old days, we called this ‘being in a coma’. The heart continued to beat, but there was no response and (sometimes) artificial respiration was necessary.

In the old days, we called this 'brain dead'. We still do. With a coma there is still brain activity.

65 posted on 01/03/2014 6:43:13 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

How ‘bout we differ to the medical community?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2777223/


66 posted on 01/03/2014 6:43:56 PM PST by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: DoodleDawg

“Brain death” wasn’t even a thing until 1968 and (I know for a fact) that it wasn’t widely accepted in 1970.

That’s when I was born. I was in worse condition than Jahi and I was called a ‘vegetable’.


67 posted on 01/03/2014 6:45:24 PM PST by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: DoodleDawg

I was in a coma for a month in February. You aren’t dead, you can hear everything, you just can’t answer.

I am going to pray for our Lord to bring her back.


68 posted on 01/03/2014 6:46:30 PM PST by txhurl
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To: exDemMom

Everybody forgets poor old Lazarus.....


69 posted on 01/03/2014 6:48:02 PM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: goodwithagun

You are probably right and this family is not picking up any of the humungous hospital bills for keeping a body with a dead brain on life support. Which is a contradiction anyway. How long until the lawsuit over this mess that the family is part responsible for>


70 posted on 01/03/2014 6:50:25 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Wicket

What you don’t understand is that malpractice cases are settled every day. Usually in a compassionate manner—especially if there WAS malpractice. (By that I mean the damage was due to negligence, and not by some allergic reaction or other “no fault” sh!t happens type of incidents.)

You seem to be focused on the hospitals finances. Believe me when I tell you that is not the issue. There is enough insurance to take care of this.


71 posted on 01/03/2014 6:52:34 PM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Marie
One of Jahi’s doctors does not agree with the diagnosis. For an innocent life, I’ll side with the dissenting vote.

If I recall correctly, other articles have described the "dissenting" doctor as one who has not been personally involved with the case, has not actually examined her for brain death, and is a bit of a crackpot.

We aren't talking about life and death here. We are really discussing a family that is unable to accept their daughter's death. Yes, it is tragic, but postponing removing the body from a ventilator is only making the situation worse for the family.

72 posted on 01/03/2014 6:54:39 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: exDemMom

If my daughter’s heart is beating and you call her ‘the body’ and threaten to kill her, I’ll pop you in the nose.

What *mother* wouldn’t?


73 posted on 01/03/2014 6:56:51 PM PST by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: Vermont Lt
Everybody forgets poor old Lazarus.....

Okay, I will have to crack open the Bible and do a bit more studying. I thought Lazarus had only become incredibly old...

74 posted on 01/03/2014 6:58:35 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Marie
If my daughter’s heart is beating and you call her ‘the body’ and threaten to kill her, I’ll pop you in the nose.

What *mother* wouldn’t?

Actually, if I were talking to you about your dead daughter, regardless of whether her body is on a respirator, I would call her by name. But I also wouldn't mince words--I would say that she has died.

I once had to sit with the mother of a brain dead boy and collect information for his death certificate. It was totally heart-wrenching. All I could think of is what if I had to deal with the death of my son like that... I really feel for people in that situation, but I am also a realist. I think that the longer this situation is prolonged, the worse it is for the family's psychological health.

75 posted on 01/03/2014 7:10:19 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: exDemMom

Knowing that everything *truly* had been done, helps alleviate grief.

This is going to cultivate anger and guilt and make recovery impossible.


76 posted on 01/03/2014 7:12:52 PM PST by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: exDemMom

I distinctly recall “raising the dead” on Jesus’ resume.

(That little bit of humor is going to get me in Dutch with the zealots!)


77 posted on 01/03/2014 7:27:05 PM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Drew68

Thanks Drew, I appreciate it. I was wondering when he would crawl out under the rock from whence he came. I see you have already been called a liar by this individual. You are in good company. Apparently you are dishonest for speaking the truth. Don’t bother with him. Pretty soon he will say you are agreeing with him.


78 posted on 01/03/2014 8:07:11 PM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America)
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To: Drew68

I was wondering if you were calling me a troll :-)
No worries my FRiend


79 posted on 01/03/2014 8:10:35 PM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America)
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To: exDemMom

Save your breath, this has been explained several times to this poster. No chance of comprehension. You cannot reason with the unreasonable.


80 posted on 01/03/2014 8:11:48 PM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America)
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