Skip to comments.New DOJ, HHS Rules Aimed at Mental State of Gun Owners
Posted on 01/04/2014 4:11:12 AM PST by Sir Napsalot
WASHINGTON As Capitol Hill was getting ready to march back to work after the holiday break, the Justice Department tweeted a photo of Attorney General Eric Holders hands signing new regulations to clarify who should be flagged in the federal background check system for mental health conditions.
That was coupled with a second action over at the Department of Health and Human Services, which aims to remove barriers that prevent some states from reporting mental health conditions to the background check system.
The Justice Department said Holders clarification will help states determine what information may be appropriately shared with the federal background check system for firearms transfers the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) in order to keep guns out of the hands of individuals who may be a danger to themselves or others.
The proposed regulation, which became available for review at the Federal Register on Friday afternoon, would revise the definition of adjudicated as a mental defective and committed to a mental institution to include persons who are found incompetent to stand trial or not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect; persons lacking mental responsibility or deemed insane; and persons found guilty but mentally ill, regardless of whether these determinations are made by a state, local, federal or military court as well as a person committed to involuntary inpatient or outpatient treatment.
We are taking an important, commonsense step to clarify the federal firearms regulations, which will strengthen our ability to keep dangerous weapons out of the wrong hands, Holder said. ........ (Read more at source)
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And IRS targeting tea party or patriots is (Obama:) 'manufactured by the media'?
And Obamacare is allllll about providing affordable healthcare to millions of uninsured.
I’ve been saying for a long time now that this isn’t near finished.
You will see in the future that other medical information will be added. ADD, ADHD, any mood altering prescriptions (say, for tobacco withdrawal, etc.) and a host of other drugs will eventually put that person on a no-gun list at NICS.
It will eventually include those going through divorces, lawsuits, etc. It will end, just before complete registration and confiscation, with having to get a complete psychiatric and medical examination and approval by the appropriate government approved doctors involved.
Holder has been a very important part of making sure weapons —very many of them — get into the WRONG hands.
This new chapter puts front and center the role of healthcare as an instrument of political terror against American Dissidents.
Many freeprs know Holder once had a Mod Squad Fro and he took over occupied a federal building with no charges. In his first days as AG he had no problem withbooted Black Panthers with billy clubs in front of polling places on Election Day.
Will they leave office in three years...?
CONTROL. CONTROL. CONTROL.
Questionaire.........did you vote for obama both times? determines your mental state in thier eyes.
In light of NSA domestic spying on everyone, this is rightfully suspect.
Is being fed up with lies and BS from elected officials and tyranny from non elected bureaucrats a mental disorder?
When I read this, I immediately wondered if taking “depression meds” for one year, several years ago, would disqualify me from buying a firearm! I better go do so right away!
As stated, Adam Lanza’s mother wouldn't be able to legally purchase firearms to protect herself (for example: from a mentally ill son).
Think of the ramifications of the “clarification”
Anytime you see the words, IMPORTANT, COMMONSENSE and/or CLARIFY in the same sentence, you know we are going to get shafted. Then add in the words STRENGTHEN OUR, AND I can guarantee we, the people are going to be fooked.
So they can impose Gun Control on regular Americans who believe in their 2nd Amendment Rights.
And it is emblematic of the Justice Departments broader commitment to use every tool and resource at its disposal to combat gun violence and prevent future tragedies while respecting the Constitutional rights to which all Americans are entitled, Holder added.
So, they’re no longer hampered by the old outdated requirement for Congress to pass legislation before they do something like this?
THIS stems from Obama EO, without any chirps from Congress.
Sorry, I should clarify. I don’t know if Obama really issued an EO, but his directive has ‘the same power’.
Just like Obama never told IRS to target tea party or Patriots.
The government at war against it’s people.
Yup. That’s the point. We no longer have a Republic.
Anyone who has ever mentioned to a doctor that they have been depressed or stressed will now be prohibited from owning a firearm.
This is one of the principle goals of Obamacare.
Power. Control. Universal disarmament.
a person committed to involuntary inpatient or outpatient treatment.
Why not "a person involuntarily committed to either inpatient or outpatient treatment?
Plus, I'm sure a number of states like Florida, where it is called the Baker Act, have a state-forced, involuntary commitment used for psychiatric evaluation. The time-limit for commitment is short (72 hours in FL) and used to determine if a person is a danger to himself.
My question is does this law STILL apply if a person is "Baker Acted" then found to be not a danger and released? I bet it does and I bet it will be used to take firearms from someone who has been Baker Acted and found not to be a danger. My concern is that any cop or healthcare worker can refer someone to be "Baker Acted"
Discharge or Release from being "Baker Acted" A person may not be held for involuntary examination longer than 72 hours. Within the 72-hour examination period, one of the following must take place: The person must be released unless charged with a crime; The person must be released for outpatient treatment; The person must be asked to give express and informed consent to voluntary placement; or A petition for involuntary placement must be filed with the circuit court by the facility administrator
Under these regulations and definitions, no Democrat should ever be armed. Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Obamacare is a just a great big DATABASE wherein everything about you, including your grades and test scores, medical history, citizenship status, marital status, etc etc. is all consolidated in ONE PLACE.
Remember that VA bureaucrats, not doctors, have been deciding that thousands of veterans should be denied guns, for reasons as nonsensical as that they shifted their power of attorney to a relative for a short time.
“As of July 2012, an estimated 129,000 veterans had been entered into the National Instant Criminal Background Check System by the VA.
“According to officials with the Department of Veterans Affairs, if a veteran is appointed a fiduciary, someone to handle their VA benefits, because he is deemed incapable of handling his own finances, he is defined by the department as “mentally defective” and banned from owning a firearm.”
But of course. Remember the old Soviet Union; their definition of mental illness was basically anyone who did not believe in the government.
“......... which will strengthen our ability to keep dangerous weapons out of the wrong hands, Holder said. ....
Guess he forgot (conveniently and once again) about “Fast and Furious” and how that turned out.
Next step is to get doctors to report anyone acting even slightly depressed.
Making it harder to purchase firearms for those who were either involuntarily committed or were legally determined to be mentally defective is a as close to a slam-dunk sensible rule change as exists on this issue.16 hours ago Reply Like (5)
This is insane. Obama usurps Legislative Branch, bypassing the unpleasant 'sausage making' process, gives himself and his admin power to define "involuntarily committed" or "mentally defective" is nothing to be cheering about. Just like NSA collecting metadata on everybody is not 'sensible'.
An executive order can be overturned by the next president or 2/3 vote in both houses,or a new bill to counteract the original.
Can you see 1/3 of Harry Reid’s Rats voting to overturn any Obastard EO? I don’t. And that assumes 100% of the GOPe votes to overturn an Obastard EO: I know of at least four who never would, no matter how egregious (Collins, McQueeg, Graham and Flake) out of “respect for the office of the President.
I thought that problem was solved in 1968.
“Today we begin to disarm the criminal and the careless and the insane. All of our people who are deeply concerned in this country about law and order should hail this day”.
- Lyndon Johnson when he signed the 1968 GCA into law.
A DOJ that distributes weapons to drug lords but questions the mental state of Americans is bat-sh@t, out of his racist mind crazy.
BUT a new President can overturn it without a vote!
You would have to be crazy to have voted for this idiot, ergo Obama voters should not be allowed to own guns. Just think of the drop in murder rate if this was enacted.
Correct. Just like all the Clinton EOs Bush tossed out on day one. And all the Carter EOs Reagan tossed.
The only serious tossing out of EOs we have seen recently was Bush the Elder tossing Reagan’s.
Consider what Constitutional Rights Holder and his ilk think Americans are "entitled" to, and you get the picture.
D@mn, but these Democrats parse words...if you aren't listening critically, you aren't hearing what they are saying.
That was over 50 years ago.
Hat tip to Mom, she was right again...
I can break it down to the easiest possible understanding...
“You believe in limited government, Constitutional rule, and freedom of religion, speech, and assembly?”
“Yes, I do.”
“YOU’RE NUTS!!! NO GUNS FOR YOU!!!!”
“Which do you believe? In the Constitution or the Living Constitution?”
My paranoid side expects sluggishly progressing schizophrenia to make a big comeback.