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New DOJ, HHS Rules Aimed at Mental State of Gun Owners
PJ Media ^ | 1-3-2014 | Bridget Johnson

Posted on 01/04/2014 4:11:12 AM PST by Sir Napsalot

WASHINGTON — As Capitol Hill was getting ready to march back to work after the holiday break, the Justice Department tweeted a photo of Attorney General Eric Holder’s hands signing new regulations to clarify who should be flagged in the federal background check system for mental health conditions.

That was coupled with a second action over at the Department of Health and Human Services, which aims to remove barriers that prevent some states from reporting mental health conditions to the background check system.

The Justice Department said Holder’s “clarification will help states determine what information may be appropriately shared with the federal background check system for firearms transfers – the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) – in order to keep guns out of the hands of individuals who may be a danger to themselves or others.”

The proposed regulation, which became available for review at the Federal Register on Friday afternoon, would revise the definition of “adjudicated as a mental defective” and “committed to a mental institution” to include “persons who are found incompetent to stand trial or not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect; persons lacking mental responsibility or deemed insane; and persons found guilty but mentally ill, regardless of whether these determinations are made by a state, local, federal or military court” as well as “a person committed to involuntary inpatient or outpatient treatment.”

“We are taking an important, commonsense step to clarify the federal firearms regulations, which will strengthen our ability to keep dangerous weapons out of the wrong hands,” Holder said. ........ (Read more at source)

(Excerpt) Read more at pjmedia.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist
Riiiiight. As if I can trust the execution by the gubmint, or simply put, if I can trust the gubmint.

And IRS targeting tea party or patriots is (Obama:) 'manufactured by the media'?

And Obamacare is allllll about providing affordable healthcare to millions of uninsured.

1 posted on 01/04/2014 4:11:12 AM PST by Sir Napsalot
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To: Sir Napsalot

I’ve been saying for a long time now that this isn’t near finished.

You will see in the future that other medical information will be added. ADD, ADHD, any mood altering prescriptions (say, for tobacco withdrawal, etc.) and a host of other drugs will eventually put that person on a no-gun list at NICS.

It will eventually include those going through divorces, lawsuits, etc. It will end, just before complete registration and confiscation, with having to get a complete psychiatric and medical examination and approval by the appropriate government approved doctors involved.


2 posted on 01/04/2014 4:16:34 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Sir Napsalot

Holder has been a very important part of making sure weapons —very many of them — get into the WRONG hands.

This new chapter puts front and center the role of healthcare as an instrument of political terror against American Dissidents.

Many freeprs know Holder once had a Mod Squad Fro and he took over occupied a federal building with no charges. In his first days as AG he had no problem withbooted Black Panthers with billy clubs in front of polling places on Election Day.

Will they leave office in three years...?

CONTROL. CONTROL. CONTROL.


3 posted on 01/04/2014 4:22:14 AM PST by gaijin
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To: Sir Napsalot

Questionaire.........did you vote for obama both times? determines your mental state in thier eyes.


4 posted on 01/04/2014 4:22:29 AM PST by ronnie raygun
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To: Sir Napsalot

In light of NSA domestic spying on everyone, this is rightfully suspect.


5 posted on 01/04/2014 4:25:37 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Is being fed up with lies and BS from elected officials and tyranny from non elected bureaucrats a mental disorder?


6 posted on 01/04/2014 4:31:33 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: Gaffer

When I read this, I immediately wondered if taking “depression meds” for one year, several years ago, would disqualify me from buying a firearm! I better go do so right away!


7 posted on 01/04/2014 4:36:18 AM PST by REPANDPROUDOFIT (November can't come soon enough!)
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To: Sir Napsalot
(White House) “The Administration is committed to making sure that anyone who may pose a danger to themselves or others does not have access to a gun.......” (excerpt)

As stated, Adam Lanza’s mother wouldn't be able to legally purchase firearms to protect herself (for example: from a mentally ill son).

Think of the ramifications of the “clarification”

8 posted on 01/04/2014 4:36:19 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot
<<<<<<<<<“We are taking an important, commonsense step to clarify the federal firearms regulations, which will strengthen our ability to keep dangerous weapons out of the wrong hands,” Holder said.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Anytime you see the words, IMPORTANT, COMMONSENSE and/or CLARIFY in the same sentence, you know we are going to get shafted. Then add in the words STRENGTHEN OUR, AND I can guarantee we, the people are going to be fooked.
BOHICA.

9 posted on 01/04/2014 4:38:09 AM PST by Tupelo (I am feeling more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: Tupelo; gaijin
(Always) remember, Fast and Furious was taken a Bush era policy and cooked up by Holder, Hillary, (Tiny Tim)Geithner, (and who knows what/who else).

So they can impose Gun Control on regular Americans who believe in their 2nd Amendment Rights.

10 posted on 01/04/2014 4:45:14 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

“And it is emblematic of the Justice Department’s broader commitment to use every tool and resource at its disposal to combat gun violence and prevent future tragedies while respecting the Constitutional rights to which all Americans are entitled,” Holder added.

11 posted on 01/04/2014 4:47:54 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Sir Napsalot

So, they’re no longer hampered by the old outdated requirement for Congress to pass legislation before they do something like this?


12 posted on 01/04/2014 4:49:02 AM PST by savedbygrace (But God!)
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To: savedbygrace
Nope.

THIS stems from Obama EO, without any chirps from Congress.

13 posted on 01/04/2014 5:06:08 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Sorry, I should clarify. I don’t know if Obama really issued an EO, but his directive has ‘the same power’.

Just like Obama never told IRS to target tea party or Patriots.


14 posted on 01/04/2014 5:10:34 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

The government at war against it’s people.


15 posted on 01/04/2014 5:16:16 AM PST by Anton.Rutter
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To: Sir Napsalot

Yup. That’s the point. We no longer have a Republic.


16 posted on 01/04/2014 5:22:12 AM PST by savedbygrace (But God!)
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To: Sir Napsalot
On the other hand, we have this -

Obama Bypasses Congress with Executive Actions on Gun Background Checks

17 posted on 01/04/2014 5:23:56 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Anyone who has ever mentioned to a doctor that they have been depressed or stressed will now be prohibited from owning a firearm.

This is one of the principle goals of Obamacare.

Power. Control. Universal disarmament.


18 posted on 01/04/2014 5:26:55 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Sir Napsalot
From the Party that parses the meaning of the word "is", the following statement bothers the hell out of me:

“a person committed to involuntary inpatient or outpatient treatment.”

Why not "a person involuntarily committed to either inpatient or outpatient treatment?

Plus, I'm sure a number of states like Florida, where it is called the Baker Act, have a state-forced, involuntary commitment used for psychiatric evaluation. The time-limit for commitment is short (72 hours in FL) and used to determine if a person is a danger to himself.

My question is does this law STILL apply if a person is "Baker Acted" then found to be not a danger and released? I bet it does and I bet it will be used to take firearms from someone who has been Baker Acted and found not to be a danger. My concern is that any cop or healthcare worker can refer someone to be "Baker Acted"

Discharge or Release from being "Baker Acted"
 
A person may not be held for involuntary examination longer than 72 hours. 
Within the 72-hour examination period, one of the following must take place: 
• The person must be released unless charged with a crime; 
• The person must be released for outpatient treatment; 
• The person must be asked to give express and informed consent to 
voluntary placement; or 
• A petition for involuntary placement must be filed with the circuit court by 
the facility administrator

Baker Act Involuntary Commitment

19 posted on 01/04/2014 5:47:04 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Under these regulations and definitions, no Democrat should ever be armed. Liberalism is a mental disorder.


20 posted on 01/04/2014 5:56:04 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: Sir Napsalot

Obamacare is a just a great big DATABASE wherein everything about you, including your grades and test scores, medical history, citizenship status, marital status, etc etc. is all consolidated in ONE PLACE.


21 posted on 01/04/2014 5:59:19 AM PST by browniexyz
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To: Sir Napsalot

Remember that VA bureaucrats, not doctors, have been deciding that thousands of veterans should be denied guns, for reasons as nonsensical as that they shifted their power of attorney to a relative for a short time.

“As of July 2012, an estimated 129,000 veterans had been entered into the National Instant Criminal Background Check System by the VA.

“According to officials with the Department of Veterans Affairs, if a veteran is appointed a fiduciary, someone to handle their VA benefits, because he is deemed incapable of handling his own finances, he is defined by the department as “mentally defective” and banned from owning a firearm.”


22 posted on 01/04/2014 6:01:19 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (There Is Still A Very Hot War On Terror, Just Not On The MSM. Rantburg.com)
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To: LibLieSlayer
Is being fed up with lies and BS from elected officials and tyranny from non elected bureaucrats a mental disorder?

But of course. Remember the old Soviet Union; their definition of mental illness was basically anyone who did not believe in the government.

23 posted on 01/04/2014 6:05:00 AM PST by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: COBOL2Java

“......... which will strengthen our ability to keep dangerous weapons out of the wrong hands,” Holder said. ....

Guess he forgot (conveniently and once again) about “Fast and Furious” and how that turned out.


24 posted on 01/04/2014 6:11:25 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: Sir Napsalot

Next step is to get doctors to report anyone acting even slightly depressed.


25 posted on 01/04/2014 6:34:31 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Sir Napsalot
In the comment section:

SemperFi80

Making it harder to purchase firearms for those who were either involuntarily committed or were legally determined to be mentally defective is a as close to a slam-dunk sensible rule change as exists on this issue.
16 hours ago Reply Like (5)

This is insane. Obama usurps Legislative Branch, bypassing the unpleasant 'sausage making' process, gives himself and his admin power to define "involuntarily committed" or "mentally defective" is nothing to be cheering about. Just like NSA collecting metadata on everybody is not 'sensible'.

26 posted on 01/04/2014 7:03:06 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

An executive order can be overturned by the next president or 2/3 vote in both houses,or a new bill to counteract the original.


27 posted on 01/04/2014 7:07:32 AM PST by Renegade
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To: COBOL2Java

Indeed!


28 posted on 01/04/2014 7:13:43 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: Renegade

Can you see 1/3 of Harry Reid’s Rats voting to overturn any Obastard EO? I don’t. And that assumes 100% of the GOPe votes to overturn an Obastard EO: I know of at least four who never would, no matter how egregious (Collins, McQueeg, Graham and Flake) out of “respect for the office of the President.


29 posted on 01/04/2014 7:44:51 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: gaijin
Will they leave office in three years...?

If Hillary steals the next "election", she'll make sure he goes. They both have the same goal of destroying this country anyway. If by some miracle the election is not stolen and someone like a conservative actually won, you KNOW Barry won 't leave.
30 posted on 01/04/2014 8:07:21 AM PST by Old Yeller
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To: Sir Napsalot

I thought that problem was solved in 1968.

“Today we begin to disarm the criminal and the careless and the insane. All of our people who are deeply concerned in this country about law and order should hail this day”.

- Lyndon Johnson when he signed the 1968 GCA into law.


31 posted on 01/04/2014 8:32:18 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

A DOJ that distributes weapons to drug lords but questions the mental state of Americans is bat-sh@t, out of his racist mind crazy.


32 posted on 01/04/2014 10:35:28 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Cyber Liberty

BUT a new President can overturn it without a vote!


33 posted on 01/04/2014 12:01:07 PM PST by Renegade
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To: Sir Napsalot

You would have to be crazy to have voted for this idiot, ergo Obama voters should not be allowed to own guns. Just think of the drop in murder rate if this was enacted.


34 posted on 01/04/2014 12:05:36 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Renegade

Correct. Just like all the Clinton EOs Bush tossed out on day one. And all the Carter EOs Reagan tossed.

Oh wait....

The only serious tossing out of EOs we have seen recently was Bush the Elder tossing Reagan’s.


35 posted on 01/04/2014 12:33:43 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; blackie; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Enemy action ping.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

36 posted on 01/06/2014 6:35:37 AM PST by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: Sir Napsalot
The Terry and Zapata families wish that guns were taken out of the hands of Holder and the ATF before being shipped to drug cartels in Mexico.

5.56mm

37 posted on 01/06/2014 6:49:41 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Travis McGee
"...while respecting the Constitutional rights to which all Americans are entitled,” Holder added.

Consider what Constitutional Rights Holder and his ilk think Americans are "entitled" to, and you get the picture.

D@mn, but these Democrats parse words...if you aren't listening critically, you aren't hearing what they are saying.

38 posted on 01/06/2014 8:31:53 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: browniexyz
My mother warned me that eventually there would be one big permanent record of everything we had done from childhood on. (She did it to get me to behave myself as a child).

That was over 50 years ago.

Hat tip to Mom, she was right again...

39 posted on 01/06/2014 8:35:22 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

I can break it down to the easiest possible understanding...

“You believe in limited government, Constitutional rule, and freedom of religion, speech, and assembly?”

“Yes, I do.”

“YOU’RE NUTS!!! NO GUNS FOR YOU!!!!”


40 posted on 01/06/2014 8:42:44 AM PST by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: hoagy62

Shorter -

“Which do you believe? In the Constitution or the Living Constitution?”


41 posted on 01/06/2014 8:44:59 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Good one.


42 posted on 01/06/2014 8:48:21 AM PST by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: COBOL2Java
Remember the old Soviet Union; their definition of mental illness was basically anyone who did not believe in the government.

My paranoid side expects sluggishly progressing schizophrenia to make a big comeback.

43 posted on 01/06/2014 11:23:41 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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