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Gee, you mean to tell me that people will actually change their behavior when market forces shift? Go figure.

Meanwhile, liberals continue to believe that setting at tax rate at 100% will bring in the most revenue.

1 posted on 01/07/2014 6:18:03 AM PST by Hoodat
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To: Hoodat

Sheesh....why can’t I ever find these black market cigarettes? I’d buy ‘em in a minute :-)


2 posted on 01/07/2014 6:21:01 AM PST by JoeDetweiler
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Untaxed tobacco is easy to grow. This one isn't actually supposed to be growing, it's the wrong time of year, but a seed wound up in my fall potting soil mix, and I let it live.

.50 BMG shown for scale.

/johnny

3 posted on 01/07/2014 6:21:23 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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I remember in the mid 2000s buying two Beatles CDs from a street vendor at a great price and when I opened them there was no stamped decorative label on the actual CD, just a stamped #.

The insert paper foldout pictures were not prenent
The CDs worked fine

I think Michael Jackson didn’t get his cut of that sale.


4 posted on 01/07/2014 6:24:04 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Hoodat

Odd, considering that New Englanders love big government, paying taxes, and socialist programs.


5 posted on 01/07/2014 6:24:16 AM PST by Theodore R. (People in TX in 2014: Cornball and George P.!)
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To: Hoodat
Ahhh, a bit of good news on a weekday morning !

More power to 'em !

6 posted on 01/07/2014 6:25:09 AM PST by tomkat (unreconstructable)
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To: Hoodat

People who buy black market cigs just hate children’s health programs, which tobacco taxes fund ;-)


7 posted on 01/07/2014 6:25:40 AM PST by Tea Party Terrorist (Why work for a living when you can vote for a living?)
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The free and noncoerced exchange of goods and services, ie, the free market, is the default condition, like gravity.

The left can try to impose their version of Utopia but it’s like trying to overcome gravity. Eventually, it falls down to the default state.


8 posted on 01/07/2014 6:26:08 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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So, how long before the number of packs a person can buy ANYWHERE in the country is limited? It’s amazing that Bloomberg didn’t try to pass a law prohibiting Virginia from selling cigarettes at a lower price than New York. It wouldn’t have forced Virginia to do it but it would have made Bloomberg feel good.


12 posted on 01/07/2014 6:29:23 AM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Hoodat

One day I had too much time on my hands and calculated how many packs of cigarettes would fit in a large semi-van. Don’t remember the specific numbers, but do remember the cost to be at least a few $million.


17 posted on 01/07/2014 6:35:09 AM PST by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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When I lived in Italy almost 50 years ago, the tax on cigarettes was very high. A huge blackmarket developed including ships offshore being used as depots for illegal cigarettes and smugglers bringing in the illicit cargo by small boats.

It is similar to Prohibition and the ways people got around the ban on alcohol. Cigarettes will find their way into NY from places like VA, which has comparatively low taxes on cigarettes. A carton costs about $45.

18 posted on 01/07/2014 6:45:32 AM PST by kabar
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“...tax jurisdictions are losing out on up to $729 million in tax revenue...”

I love the phrasing. “Losing out on tax revenue”. It wasn’t theirs to lose.


24 posted on 01/07/2014 6:53:37 AM PST by Personal Responsibility (I'd use the /S tag but is it really necessary?)
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MA people go to N.H. (or have someone pick them up).

The difference is about $20.00 a carton.

For a pack a day smoker that’s about $700.00 a year.

,


28 posted on 01/07/2014 6:58:55 AM PST by Mears
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In New York, which boasts the highest cigarette tax in the nation, the market in illicit cigarettes is vast.

Good! I support the criminals on this one. May they be vastly successful and profitable. All governments, local, state and federal, have lost most of their legitimacy in telling Americans how they will behave, what they can own, and what they will pay for goods. It seems to me that governments and law enforcement today, are no longer treating the citizens with the deserved respect that a law abiding citizen has earned, and consequently requires of its government.

The federal government especially, has forfeited its legitimate purposes and can go to hell. The growing number of people that feel this way, will no longer blindly follow the laws passed by that cesspool administration in D.C. and its lackey criminal enterprise called democrats in congress.

Lying to, cheating, and stealing from, the federal government is now the order of the day.
29 posted on 01/07/2014 6:59:46 AM PST by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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42 posted on 01/07/2014 8:02:38 AM PST by dfwgator
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I live in NY and buy hardly anything here. I buy most things on the internet with zero shipping and zero sales tax. I buy ammunition and cigarettes in Pennsylvania because of laws and taxes respectively.

They have made the purchase so expensive and inconvenient that it is worth my time to travel a few miles more to obtain such things without hassle and fewer taxes.


46 posted on 01/07/2014 8:29:31 AM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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Similar to Kansas with it’s high personal property tax on car registrations. People get around it by tagging their vehicles in other states. If they’re young and moved to Kansas for a job, they continue to register their vehicles at their parents address in the other state. If they’re older, they use their grown offspring’s address (who moved out of state for a career) as the address for registering their vehicle. Either way, Kansas loses millions of dollars in revenue every year due to these scofflaws, because the state refuses to be competitive with other states in the cost of car registration.


56 posted on 01/07/2014 9:45:17 AM PST by Old Yeller
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I am here in New York and besides smuggling there is another way. I am not sure of the details but I think pipe tobacco is not taxed at the same rate as cigarette tobacco. A carton costs about 80 to 90 bucks of brand name butts. There are two places around me that sell cartons for 40 bucks. You pick your tobacco and they load it into a rolling machine and you sit there and place them in a carton. The cigarettes don’t seem to have all the chemicals of brand names but they are just as good and it’s pure tobacco, sort of healthy free range smokes at half the cost.


61 posted on 01/07/2014 10:28:52 AM PST by shoff (Vote Democratic it beats thinking!)
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I switched over to filtered little cigars a while ago. Tastes like a cigarette use to. This is my favorite brand I can get for less than $10.00 a carton online.

And I just starting to experiment with E-Cigs now.

Screw you Mr. Revenuer.

77 posted on 01/08/2014 11:37:55 AM PST by McGruff (I stand with Phil.)
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