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Obama Administration Guidelines Could Lead to Racial Quotas in School Discipline
Washington Times ^ | 1/8/2014

Posted on 01/11/2014 5:02:51 AM PST by Altura Ct.

How discipline is doled out in the classroom now will be under much closer scrutiny by the federal government, but some analysts say the Obama administration’s efforts ultimately may backfire and could lead to de facto racial quotas in American schools.

The Education Department and the Justice Department on Wednesday issued new “guidance” to ensure minority students aren’t punished through suspension, expulsion or other means more than their white peers. The administration cited legal authority under Titles IV and VI in offering detailed rules for how school districts can administer discipline.

It’s part of a larger effort — backed by teachers unions, civil rights advocacy groups and other organizations — to combat the “school-to-prison pipeline,” in which minority students are disproportionately kicked out of school and subsequently end up in the criminal justice system.

But within its guidance, most of which is not controversial and merely reinforces existing nondiscrimination laws, the administration also declares that schools’ disciplinary policies cannot have a “disparate impact” on one particular group.

In plain terms, it means district rules, guidelines and enforcement cannot result in the punishment of more black students than white students for the same offense, for example.

With that in mind, school leaders surely will keep a close eye on whether the same number of children from given racial groups are disciplined in equal number and equal measure for the same behavior.

“You have to make certain that your school discipline cases match those percentages. If you don’t, you’ll have the feds on your doorstep,” said Joshua Dunn, a political science professor at the University of Colorado and director of the university’s Center for Legal Studies. “If they actually do enforce these guidelines, there will be unintended consequences. This creates some rather destructive incentives. I don’t think there’s any way around that.”

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To: Altura Ct.

I should point out that, if blacks are being punished at a rate of four times that of whites, they are being punished at the same rate as whites.


2 posted on 01/11/2014 5:07:34 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Altura Ct.

If your company has a government contract you’ve already got racial quotas.


3 posted on 01/11/2014 5:07:36 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Altura Ct.
...teachers, principals and other school personnel may hesitate to punish a minority student for a particular offense out of fear that they will appear prejudiced...

News flash, we already do hesitate - this just establishes sentencing guidelines.

4 posted on 01/11/2014 5:08:14 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (Politics are just the rules - Power is the game!)
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To: Altura Ct.
My experience is that black behavior problem children are already given more chances, so many that a lot of them have a "you can't stop me" attitude when discipline finally happens. Holder should be asking for stricter, more rigid discipline for minority students, to stop the gangsta' attitude from taking hold. JMHO

(It's surprising, but a lot a responsible black parents feel that way. They know that the only thing that will keep their kids on track is no-nonsense expectations)

5 posted on 01/11/2014 5:18:09 AM PST by grania
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To: Altura Ct.

Trying to flatten out the Bell Curve. Won’t work just make matters worse


6 posted on 01/11/2014 5:19:36 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: grania

Perhaps they’ll now start playing the knockout “game” with school administrators and teachers. Obamugabe and Eric The Red have enabled them.


7 posted on 01/11/2014 5:21:44 AM PST by Ancient Man
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To: Altura Ct.

This is why little white boys making a gun with their hands are punished.


8 posted on 01/11/2014 5:27:46 AM PST by Chickensoup (we didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: Jonty30

I should point out that, if blacks are being punished at a rate of four times that of whites, they are being punished at the same rate as whites.

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I don’t follow.


9 posted on 01/11/2014 5:29:19 AM PST by Chickensoup (we didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: Jonty30

Rather than suspend or kick a minority student out, the best solution is to tell him he no longer needs to come to school. For him school is not compulsory. That is, no one will make him come to school any more.


10 posted on 01/11/2014 5:34:43 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Altura Ct.

Here’s a thought—if blacks do not want to be punished in school, perhaps they should behave and act like the white students who behave. If blacks did not commit crimes, then they would not wind up in prison.

I behaved in school. I do not commit crimes. I am not in prison. Yes, it’s that simple.

Will America please wake up now and take back your country before the kenyan bastard is finished with his plan?


11 posted on 01/11/2014 5:36:06 AM PST by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

“Won’t work just make matters worse”

Like everything the left does.


12 posted on 01/11/2014 5:41:31 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: grania

Black Students Suspended More than Whites: Why?

June 12, 1994|By LAN NGUYEN

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1994-06-12/news/1994163007_1_student-population-black-students-white-students

This article is from 1994. Nothing new. I would like to know the rate at which black teachers/principals suspend black students.


13 posted on 01/11/2014 5:50:18 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Chickensoup

I posted this before- years ago I worked with a man whose daughter went to school with the son of an NBA player. The seven or eight year old boy would grab his white female classmates by their throats and choke them- no doubt mimicking the behavior he was exposed to at home. Nothing was done. My friend’s little girl asked permission of her father to be able to defend herself and it was given. Unfortunately for the boy, he tried to choke the little blonde girl who immediately used her extracurricular activity martial arts experience to punch him in the throat. He walked a wide circle around her after that.

So far as the teachers, their only response when parents complained about the assaults on their little girls was ‘Oh, you know how he is’. Furthermore, my friend had to actually defend his daughter defending herself.


14 posted on 01/11/2014 5:51:21 AM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Jonty30

No surprise. People in charge were born with no brains.


15 posted on 01/11/2014 5:56:44 AM PST by mulligan
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To: Jonty30

So now the black kid can beat up your White kid and get away with it. And if the White kid complains, he’s branded a racist.


16 posted on 01/11/2014 6:05:12 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: grania
Holder should be asking for stricter, more rigid discipline for minority students, to stop the gangsta' attitude from taking hold.

But that would put a crimp in the agenda of the left.

17 posted on 01/11/2014 6:08:11 AM PST by Slyfox (We want our pre-existing HEALTH INSURANCE back!)
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To: All

This is nothing more than BLACK KU KLUX KLAN RACISM....White kids will be punished for every minor thing to make up for Black and Minority thugs


18 posted on 01/11/2014 6:17:36 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Amnesty And Not Ending ObamaCare Will Kill GOP In 2014)
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To: Jimmy Valentine
Trying to flatten out the Bell Curve. Won’t work just make matters worsep> Right on. Case in point: the knockout game.
19 posted on 01/11/2014 6:22:27 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: I want the USA back
So now the black kid can beat up your White kid and get away with it. And if the White kid complains, he’s branded a racist.

No doubt, you understand perfectly where it's going (if it's not there already.)

20 posted on 01/11/2014 6:23:20 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Jonty30

Caucasian is the new n*****.


21 posted on 01/11/2014 6:24:48 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Altura Ct.
but some analysts say the Obama administration’s efforts ultimately may *backfire* and could lead to de facto racial quotas in American schools.

*BACKFIRE*???

That is the *INTENT*.

22 posted on 01/11/2014 6:25:50 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Chickensoup
This is why little white boys making a gun with their hands are punished.

"Attention teachers. We suspended Deshawn and Jamal for bringing loaded handguns to school (Jamal's was a fully-automatic pump action Glock AK-47!), and we suspended Luke and Conner for a gun-shaped pastry and for pointing his finger like a gun and making gun sounds. To meet FedGov proportionality guidelines, we need three more gun offenses among our white boys, by the end of the week. Keep your eyes on those shifty white boys, and let any other trivial black infractions slide if at all possible."

23 posted on 01/11/2014 6:30:48 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Jonty30

“the administration also declares that schools’ disciplinary policies cannot have a “disparate impact” on one particular group.”

Disparate impact is another black militant code word for avoiding justice. If blacks commit a certain type of crime more than whites it is racist to prosecute them for it. For example if almost all drive-by shootings are committed by blacks, it is racist to have strict laws against drive-bys because such laws will mostly be used to prosecute blacks.


24 posted on 01/11/2014 6:33:46 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: All

I can see a whole lot of hate being built up here if this truly what is going to be done.

Perhaps I should quit saying this, but here I go again. I am going to point out that this is another example of pushing the envelope on making us, the citizens of this country, afraid... Afraid to complain, afraid of the ‘other’, in this case the blacks. Afraid to defend ourselves because we will be treated as the criminal not the one who assaulted us.

Now ‘they’ are going after our children in the school systems. You know... those super-safe places with the barb wire topped fences and guards with metal scanners at the entrances. The ones that have become preferred targets because they are ‘defense free’ zones.

How long will it be before a parent or a grand-parent ‘snaps’ and takes retribution into their own hands? Who knows, but I believe that is the goal here. Then more crackdowns on the citizens, more taxes to pay for the crackdowns.

How soon until we become the United States: Land of the national prison system. Aka the Federal and State governments of the several states instead of America, Land of proud, land of the free.


25 posted on 01/11/2014 6:39:33 AM PST by The Working Man
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To: mulligan; Travis McGee

- “Certain” ethnic groups were born and are still born today with a brain that is only 85% of the size of other humans.

- You may not think that is “fair” or “PC” to say that - but it is alleged to be because others had a much higher intake of meat proteins early in their evolving history.

- Note that has not changed over time and neither have alleged “modern humans” from certain regions changed in their pigmentation over time and/or since they allegedly migrated North.

- Some of those individuals excel in intelligence and abilities - but they are the exception. Both you and I know of some that do; they reject the tribal victimhood and violence/knockout culture of “….maybe a little blow.”

- We might think of a certain surgeon or a certain retired military officer as being among the exceptional.

- Next I shall explain the Islamics: They are insane. Period.


26 posted on 01/11/2014 6:40:07 AM PST by devolve ("He's just 'too talented' to do what 'ordinary people' do." "Barry of Bungle" "Homo Electus")
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To: devolve
- “Certain” ethnic groups were born and are still born today with a brain that is only 85% of the size of other humans.

Inaccurate. There is little difference in the physical size of human brains by ethnic group, and very little evidence of a correlation between physical brain size and intelligence. For instance, the male brain is on average significantly larger than the female brain, yet average IQ is identical.

Certain ethnic groups do, however, appear to have average functionality (IQ) about 85% that of others.

27 posted on 01/11/2014 6:53:00 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

- Typing words does not make them true


28 posted on 01/11/2014 6:57:34 AM PST by devolve ("He's just 'too talented' to do what 'ordinary people' do." "Barry of Bungle" "Homo Electus")
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To: Pollster1
Attention teachers....

P.S. If we somehow are unable to detect a single handgun offense by white boys (including, but not limited to, verbal threats, finger gestures, drawings or actual possession of firearms on or near school grounds) then, consistent with the FedGov guidelines above, we should not seek to detect handgun offenses in any form by non-white boys.

29 posted on 01/11/2014 6:59:10 AM PST by frog in a pot ("To each according to his need..." -from a guy who never had a real job and couldn't feed his family)
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To: Jonty30

Discipline unless it is verbal is done in the principals office so as not to EMBARRASS the dumb but.

When I went to school, the teacher stood you up in front of the class and you got your swats there, to send a message to other dumb butts in the classroom thinking about misbehaving.

And if you are talking about inner city schools, the rate is going to be 85-90% black to white ratio, add in the hispanics and you have another game changer. Not many whites in inner city schools left.


30 posted on 01/11/2014 6:59:14 AM PST by GailA (THOSE WHO DON'T KEEP PROMISES TO THE MILITARY, WON'T KEEP THEM TO U!)
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To: devolve



31 posted on 01/11/2014 7:21:06 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Jonty30

The Black Master Race is in control.

We have nothing to fear if we follow the rules, work hard, and pay reparations as ordered.

/s


32 posted on 01/11/2014 7:33:38 AM PST by Iron Munro (Orwell: There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.)
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To: Jonty30

Maybe it’s time for all teachers in public schools to go Galt. Let the worst black kids run wilder than they do now. The parents of the good kids should then boycott the schools as a group and demand discipline based on facts, not race.

The results of collapse would be interesting.


33 posted on 01/11/2014 7:34:10 AM PST by Right Wing Assault
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

> to ensure minority students aren’t punished through suspension, expulsion or other means more than their white peers...

Y’know, because all transgressions are equally bad. Gang rape? Same as t-p’ing the little tree in front of the school.


34 posted on 01/11/2014 7:47:25 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: devolve

Thanks for the profound insight.


35 posted on 01/11/2014 7:51:20 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Jonty30

How many white kids raped and murdered their teacher in the bathroom last year?


36 posted on 01/11/2014 7:56:49 AM PST by The Toll
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To: BenLurkin

When does the push back begin?


37 posted on 01/11/2014 8:00:03 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: ExTexasRedhead

I thought we finished that crap off in 1945.


38 posted on 01/11/2014 8:01:10 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Jonty30
I am still trying to get my head around why in the hell local school discipline is any business of the federal government.

Did I miss something?

39 posted on 01/11/2014 10:28:04 AM PST by Gritty (Liberals think living your life free of welfare, EBT, and government nannies is "cheating"-J Hawkins)
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To: Jonty30
Does Holder wants us to require black parents to take extensive training classes so they quit raising so many criminals-in-waiting?

Is that the solution?

Is Holder's finally holding black parents responsible for their out of control children? That's hard to believe....

Oh wait, Holder's cure will be to punish white, Hispanic and Asian students... suspend them for nothing so it all 'looks' the same without being the same. The 'unicorn' solution... Yeah, now I get it...

40 posted on 01/11/2014 11:22:10 AM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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To: Gritty
I am still trying to get my head around why in the hell local school discipline is any business of the federal government. Did I miss something?

Democrats pushed police departments not to 'see' a lot of black crime. Makes for a better lie about blacks being victims. Or it all being equal - which it's not... Those types of lies free up fools in congress to allocate more money based on race and to keep the myth of racism ( a cash cow ) from ever going away.

This is the same.

The lies that black students are the same as white, Asian and Hispanic students keeps money flowing... there's reason and logic here... IF all ethnic groups are the same (and violence isn't a part of black failure), then the only reason black kids are failing is schools are - wait for it - RACIST.

And RACISM equals CASH, GRANTS, DONATIONS, and POWER.

White liberal elites have their kids in private schools anyhow so they don't know the truth... this 'suspension lie' the lie about all kids being equally violent will be used on white liberal elites. And white elite guilt and gullibility will produce the cash and funding and donations and power that keeps blacks dependent on white liberal elite democrats... All based on lies.

41 posted on 01/11/2014 11:42:19 AM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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To: BenLurkin

- Let us go by the numbers MENSA accepts

- We must start at anything over 170 just for kicks - no make that 180


42 posted on 01/11/2014 1:10:06 PM PST by devolve ("He's just 'too talented' to do what 'ordinary people' do." "Barry of Bungle" "Homo Electus")
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To: GOPJ
And white elite guilt and gullibility will produce the cash and funding and donations and power that keeps blacks dependent on white liberal elite democrats... All based on lies.

It seems nothing much has changed since LBJ got that ball rolling... nothing much except $20 trillion in added debt, a more violent and racially divided country, and the ruin of tens of millions of blacks and almost the entire black community. And that isn't even counting the millions of murders in black abortions.

Nice going, Liberals. I'm surprised they aren't hanging MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banners from the White House pillars. They have certainly earned it.

43 posted on 01/11/2014 1:10:53 PM PST by Gritty (Liberals think living your life free of welfare, EBT, and government nannies is "cheating"-J Hawkins)
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To: GOPJ

- Why don’t whites get all bent out of shape when an Asian often sets the curve?

- Is that “culturally inverse” compare to someone like Obama?


44 posted on 01/11/2014 1:14:19 PM PST by devolve ("He's just 'too talented' to do what 'ordinary people' do." "Barry of Bungle" "Homo Electus")
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To: Jonty30

Black kid plays knockout game with classmate and gets suspended. White kid high fives classmate and gets suspended.


45 posted on 01/11/2014 1:22:35 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Gen.Blather

For those that ‘remember’ the Vietnam era, in the midst of the student college takeovers and burning draft cards, to make up the slack Macnamra’s 100,000 was born.
At that time the draft policy was changed so that MOST everyone was ‘eligible’ and those that had been ‘denied’ enlistment or exempt for the draft because of mental/educational/societal ‘problems’ - believe they were called Category IVs - were suddenly eligible.

That plus ‘forcing’ the USMC to take draftees ended in the Corps being ‘stuck’ with a lot of malcontents being run through Parris Island and/or San Diego MCRD’s...
The discipline problem was so bad that the Corps had to instigate a ‘15% attrition rule’ - once 15% of the recruit class had washed out for disciplinary rules, NO MORE could be punished for it.
The real street smart dudes - some that thought going to Nam would make them instant drug lords - would sit back wait for the 15% to exit, then slide through the rest of boot camp.


46 posted on 01/11/2014 1:47:54 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 --STUPIDITY?: Lets remove warning labels so we can level the playing field.)
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To: xrmusn

My sister was in the Air Force’s OSI during Project 100,000. They ran thousands of cases for every crime imaginable. My sister suspects that they eventually got rid of all 100,000 at a huge cost. She says it was an unmitigated disaster.


47 posted on 01/11/2014 1:56:13 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

My sister suspects that they eventually got rid of all 100,000 at a huge cost
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I think that is true. Eventually the individual services ‘handled’ the problem BUT it did decimate the ranks as to approx 100,000 were now (for the most part) just taking up space, then throw in the manpower it took to eradicate them and you end up tying up a lot of personnel and money.

There used to be a ‘figure’ in DC about the class of 1980 or 1990 (NOT sure which year) but the gist of it was that the first graduate class of LOWERED STANDARDS, was still being paid for into the late 90’s, early 00’s as the ‘bad habits’ weren’t lost on all the now cops.

Washington Post/Daily Worker was doing a study on it but think it got so ‘bad’ it was kind of brushed under the table as the ‘good ones’ out of those classes were immediately suspected.

Just another ‘glaring example’ of why you shouldn’t be screwing with blanket personalities or groups.

If there is only 13% bad, the other 87% get caught up in the ‘investigation’ just because they were there.


48 posted on 01/11/2014 2:34:53 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 --STUPIDITY?: Lets remove warning labels so we can level the playing field.)
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To: Chickensoup

It’s a statistical joke. If blacks, being one fourth of the population were committing 4 times as many crimes, the number of crimes they committed would match that of whites.

Holder wants it defined as a proportion of the population, that being blacks are 12% of the population, so in his mind, they should not be charged with more than 12% of the crimes regardless of how many they actually committed.

This flawed policy will accelerate the destruction of the black community, imo.


49 posted on 01/11/2014 3:16:47 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30

- Exactly

Eric Holder worked for major criminal and known terrorists

“Contempt of Congress” can just be a starting line for the scumbag


50 posted on 01/11/2014 6:11:19 PM PST by devolve ("He's just 'too talented' to do what 'ordinary people' do." "Barry of Bungle" "Homo Electus")
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