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Poll: Most South Carolinians approve states' convention
The Aiken Standard ^ | Jan 14, 2014 | Derrek Asberry

Posted on 01/15/2014 4:53:53 PM PST by upchuck

Seventy-five percent of South Carolina's voters are dissatisfied with the federal government and 71 percent are in favor of an Article V Convention of States, according to S.C. Rep. Bill Taylor, R-Aiken.

In a statewide poll that included 1,264 voters from various ethnicities, age groups and from every county conducted by True South Communications, Taylor posed two main questions. When asked if South Carolina should join other states in calling for a convention, Taylor said 32 percent were in favor, 32 percent opposed and 36 percent were undecided.

The idea behind Taylor's initiative is that if two-thirds of states submit an application to Congress, Congress must then call a Convention of States to propose amendments to the Constitution. Each state must then send an appointed delegation to the convention, where the delegates will discuss and vote upon amendment proposals.

Of those who opposed or were undecided, Taylor asked if they would support a Convention of States if the purpose was to establish term limits for members of Congress and a balanced-budget amendment for the federal government. Fifty-eight percent changed their minds and approved the convention, Taylor said.

“Because the COS initiative is a new concept to many voters, a second question was asked of those who opposed or were undecided in the first question,” Taylor said. “The explanation of specific potential amendments resulted in a majority giving their support.”

Taylor began spearheading the effort to call a Convention of States last month for the “express and sole purpose of limiting the power and jurisdiction of the federal government.” South Carolina and Virginia became the first two states to call for a convention. On Dec. 7, more than 100 state legislators from 32 states met in Washington, D.C., to begin the groundwork for filing a Convention of States.

Taylor added, “In only a month since the legislation was pre-filed, it's clear we are on the right path and support will continue to grow as more people understand that our founders intentionally gave us a remedy in Article V of the Constitution.”

S.C. Rep. Bill Clyburn, D-Aiken, said he thinks other legislators have the right to call for a COS; however, he personally disagrees with it.

I think it's fine to exercise whatever powers you have as it relates to government, but I don't believe it will change anything,” Clyburn said. “I believe the best way to change things is to improve the quality of life from state to state.”

State legislators are planning to reconvene this month to continue working on a product they can pass on to Congress.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 17th; articlev; constitution; statesrights
Convention of States
1 posted on 01/15/2014 4:53:53 PM PST by upchuck
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To: upchuck

They ignore the current constitution. What good would it do to get another one?


2 posted on 01/15/2014 4:59:35 PM PST by Luke21
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To: Luke21

Not another one... An Article V convention for the proposal of Amendments... The original Constitution would be unchanged...

Start with something the ENTIRE political spectrum agrees on... TERM LIMITS... You get a Term Limit amendment passed and a few things begin to clear up...


3 posted on 01/15/2014 5:06:14 PM PST by bfh333 ("Hope"... "Change"... You better HOPE you have some CHANGE after the next 4 years!)
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To: Luke21
Among Article V supporters, repeal of the 17th amendment is front and center.

Other structural amendments that enhance federalism, such as 3/4 state override of laws and scotus decisions, are changes that cannot be ignored.

4 posted on 01/15/2014 5:07:59 PM PST by Jacquerie (Article V.)
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To: Luke21
They ignore the current constitution. What good would it do to get another one?

It would not be a new Constitution. Rather, highly targeted amendments to the existing Constitution. Polling (sorry, no link) shows the two most desired amendments are term limits for politicians and judges and forcing the US to balance it's budget each year.

5 posted on 01/15/2014 5:12:53 PM PST by upchuck (Stop this abuse now! Get behind Convention of States: http://bit.ly/1ak1Iz9)
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To: 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; A Strict Constructionist; ...
South Carolina Ping
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6 posted on 01/15/2014 5:14:39 PM PST by upchuck (Stop this abuse now! Get behind Convention of States: http://bit.ly/1ak1Iz9)
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To: Baynative

Article V ping.


7 posted on 01/15/2014 5:15:59 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Luke21
The amendatory process under Article V consists of three steps: Proposal, Disposal, and Ratification.

Proposal:

There are two ways to propose an amendment to the Constitution.

Article V gives Congress and an Amendments Convention exactly the same power to propose amendments, no more and no less.

Disposal:

Once Congress, or an Amendments Convention, proposes amendments, Congress must decide whether the states will ratify by the:

The State Ratifying Convention Method has only been used twice: once to ratify the Constitution, and once to ratify the 21st Amendment repealing Prohibition.

Ratification:

Depending upon which ratification method is chosen by Congress, either the state legislatures vote up-or-down on the proposed amendment, or the voters elect a state ratifying convention to vote up-or-down. If three-quarters of the states vote to ratify, the amendment becomes part of the Constitution.

Forbidden Subjects:

Article V contains two explicitly forbidden subjects and one implicitly forbidden subject.

Explicitly forbidden:

Implicity forbidden:

I have two reference works for those interested.

The first is from the American Legislative Exchange Council, a conservative pro-business group. This document has been sent to every state legislator in the country.

Proposing Constitutional Amendments by a Convention of the States: A Handbook for State Lawmakers

The second is a 1973 report from the American Bar Association attempting to identify gray areas in the amendatory process to include an Amendments Convention. It represents the view of the ruling class of 40 years ago. While I dislike some of their conclusions, they have laid out the precedents that may justify those conclusions. What I respect is the comprehensive job they did in locating all the gray areas. They went so far as to identify a gray area that didn't pop up until the Equal Rights Amendment crashed and burned a decade later. Even if you find yourself in disagreement with their vision, it's worth reading to see the view of the ruling class toward the process.

Report of the ABA Special Constitutional Convention Study Committee

8 posted on 01/15/2014 5:16:54 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: upchuck

I’m sure most of those surveyed have no clue what an Article 5 Convention is. They need to read Mark Levin’s book on it.

Having a Republican majority is useless if the leaders aren’t restraining the heavy hand of govt spending, regulation only an Article 5 convention can put the restraints back on govt.


9 posted on 01/15/2014 5:18:52 PM PST by RginTN
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To: RginTN
I’m sure most of those surveyed have no clue what an Article 5 Convention is.

You are so-o-o-o right! For years I called it an Article V Convention until someone said to me, "Dude, what's an Article 5?"

After that I used Judge Andrew Napolitano's term, "Amendments Convention." It's clear and succinct.

10 posted on 01/15/2014 5:23:05 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: upchuck; All

I’m concerned that many patriots have actually never been taught the Constitution as the Founding States had intended for it to be understood, particularly the federal government’s limited powers. And if such is the case, then low-information patriots are arguably just wanting to gind the ax in frustration with respect to talk amending the Constitution as a remedy to force the feds back into their constitutionally-limited power cage.

In other words, patriots need to elect conservatives to Congress who will impeach activist justices and Constitution-ignoring presidents as opposed to the overkill, imo, of amending the Constitution; if it’s not broke then don’t “fix” it.

On the other hand, if patriots “just gotta” amend the Constitution, then simply give the state lawmakers and / or voters the power to recall bad-apple federal lawmakers regardless what state elected them.


11 posted on 01/15/2014 5:33:47 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: upchuck

I think this article does a great job of explaining why a states convention is such a terrible idea:

http://godfatherpolitics.com/12299/constitutional-convention-bad-idea/

Hmm maybe i should post it


12 posted on 01/15/2014 5:59:38 PM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Luke21

Repeal of the 17th amendment is the my that will make correction possible even if no other amendment is ratified.


13 posted on 01/15/2014 6:09:51 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Publius

That is a good term, amendment Convention.


14 posted on 01/15/2014 6:12:24 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Amendment10
In other words, patriots need to elect conservatives to Congress who will impeach activist justices and Constitution-ignoring presidents as opposed to the overkill, imo, of amending the Constitution; if it’s not broke then don’t “fix” it.

I believe we should amend the constitution, in part! to expressly prohibit judicial review. And that will take care of the feral judge problem. Permanently.

15 posted on 01/15/2014 6:19:57 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Nuc 1.1; All
I believe we should amend the constitution, in part! to expressly prohibit judicial review. And that will take care of the feral judge problem. Permanently.

Please correct me if I'm wrong concerning judicial review. But if there was no judicial review, then regardless that the Supreme Court decided unconstitutional Obamacare in Obama's favor, the Court wouldn't have been able to test the constitutionality of Obamacare in the first place.

The way I see it, the only way to force the unconstitutionally big federal government to comply with its constitutionally limited powers is the following. Parents are going to have to make sure that public schools teach their children reading, writing, arithmetic and the federal government's constitutionally limited powers the way that the Founding States had intended for those powers to be understood.

16 posted on 01/15/2014 6:56:50 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: upchuck

150 years ago, SC led the way to secession. Today, it appears to be leading the way for a convention of states.

Personally, I have zero faith in government. What is enacted today, is challenged in court tomorrow and a judge will overturn what the people’s vote. They’ve taken the soap box, the ballot box and the jury box. They are trying to take away the fourth box.


17 posted on 01/15/2014 7:36:32 PM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: Mount Athos
I think this article does a great job of explaining why a states convention is such a terrible idea:

http://godfatherpolitics.com/12299/constitutional-convention-bad-idea/

Hmm maybe i should post it

Well, except that the article isn't about a states convention. Go read it again. The whole article is about a Constitutional Convention, NOT a Convention of States.

From the article:

A ConCon (Constitutional Convention) is VERY different from a Convention of States.

Buy Levin's book and read it.

18 posted on 01/15/2014 7:40:37 PM PST by upchuck (Stop this abuse now! Get behind Convention of States: http://bit.ly/1ak1Iz9)
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To: Jacquerie

COS ping.


19 posted on 01/15/2014 8:40:52 PM PST by upchuck (Stop this abuse now! Get behind Convention of States: http://bit.ly/1ak1Iz9)
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To: Publius

I scrubbed my list when we elected to avoid confusion...


20 posted on 01/15/2014 10:15:23 PM PST by Baynative (Got bulbs? Check my profile page.)
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To: Resolute Conservative; VerySadAmerican; Nuc 1.1; MamaTexan; Political Junkie Too; jeffc; 1010RD; ...

Article V ping!

There is more support for an amendment convention than we realize.


21 posted on 01/16/2014 2:17:17 AM PST by Jacquerie (Article V.)
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To: Mount Athos
At conventionofstates.com, under the toolkit tab is a link to FAQ, which addresses your concerns.

Recall that two nights ago, Obama so much as told the world he would, if necessary, rule by executive decree.

Yesterday, the House all but gave up the power of the purse. If Obama didn't get all of the spending he wanted, he promised to “shut down” the government and blame the pubbies.

Are we not where the Framers feared? Are we still a free people?

The progressives have done a masterful job of convincing the average American that democracy is swell. Venezuela has elections too, and like here, all elections do is serve to condone future crimes by El Presidente.

22 posted on 01/16/2014 2:27:22 AM PST by Jacquerie (Article V.)
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To: bfh333

I spoke with our representative who was a participant at the Mount Vernon meeting, and his secretary tells me that the amendment they plan to focus on is balanced budget amendment.

I think most people could truly get behind that one!


23 posted on 01/16/2014 9:06:03 AM PST by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: Amendment10

You are correct in your analysis. However, IMHO the SCOTUS has done far more harm to the republic via judical review than any other government agency. Especially since they are not authorized by the constitution to perform such reviews. The court simply usurped the power. Early in our history surely but userped it none the less. We simply do not need judical tyrants dictating national law from the bench. And it is not just the Supreme Court but lower courts across the nation as well. Our nation would be FAR BETTER off with out judical review. And teaching children about the real history of the United States is absolutely vital.


24 posted on 01/16/2014 5:45:04 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Luke21

The need is to restore limits on the feral government. The basic thrust of the amendments is to unequivicably empower the states resist and in some cases overrule the feral government. That is it in a nut shell. The restoration of federalism.


25 posted on 01/16/2014 5:53:10 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: upchuck

Dear South Carolina, Please send Goober grAmnesyy packing in November. Thanks,


26 posted on 01/16/2014 5:56:16 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Mount Athos
I think this article does a great job of explaining why a states convention is such a terrible idea:

http://godfatherpolitics.com/12299/constitutional-convention-bad-idea/

Apparently, neither you nor the author of the linked article understand how an Article V Convention of the States differs from a Constitutional Convention.

Please familiarize with the differences before chiming in with an irrelevant link.

27 posted on 01/16/2014 6:01:15 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: central_va

We’re working on it. Tidbit for ya:

This weekend the South Carolina Tea Party Groups are having a convention in Myrtle Beach.

All of linda’s competitors will be there, but linda will not. Arrogance? Fear?


28 posted on 01/16/2014 8:04:56 PM PST by upchuck (Stop this abuse now! Get behind Convention of States: http://bit.ly/1ak1Iz9)
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